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Jordankeeps wrote:Actually Forge world use it and its not to hard to brake it at all, its pretty tuff, you can bend it easly though

Umm. No. It snaps immediately.

I hope they have the sense to move to plastic-resin like Mantic. I'd hate to have to wear a mask all the time in order to prep. It'll be more sensible as most of their customers are kids.

Forgeworld stuff is brittle depending on the sculpt & does take a lot more prep than their recent metal kits. It'll take time for them to phase out metal completely.

Worglock wrote:

Jordankeeps wrote:Actually Forge world use it and its not to hard to brake it at all, its pretty tuff, you can bend it easly though

Umm. No. It snaps immediately.

He didn't say anything about it breaking, just about how easy it is to slow it down and prevent acceleration.

DeadBabySoup wrote:

but as boris the blade (ie. boris the bullet dodger) puts it:

"heavy is good, heavy is reliable...."

I will miss my metal minis...

Given that I do adore that particular film, I feel a need to finish that quote. With a slight alteration....

"...If the dice don't work, you can always throw the model at the guy"

Now I gotta go watch Snatch again.....

DarkJester

Worglock wrote:

Umm. No. It snaps immediately.

After putting together a Warhound, the big resin pieces? Had no problems with them. Stuck together, mininmum warpage and breaking. Smallet fiddlier bits didn't do quite as well, but sitll I'm overally satisfied with the product, and I will be buying FW again in the future.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Gorechild wrote:
Thank god I wouldn't put it past them though tbh!

Not after the "water pot".

I like my GW water pot...

Point is, they are charging you for something that I replace with a free plastic cup from a hotel room.

Actually, I like the waterpot too. It works well, and I only use six brushes... So...

I have used FW resin models a couple of times and they can be annoying to work with. But given the choice of resin or metal....i would go with resin.

OK. Spoke to local GW manager today and his reason was that they require shelf space.

Items that are not sold often enough will be relegated to Direct Only, though you can order through your local store and the items come in through the GW Store.

He debunked the resin theories. Stating "Resin will not be sold in GW stores due to young customers".

The guy at my local GW woudln't give any decent answers. Just said that they can't order in the blisters anymore and there will be a "Big announcement" in May.

If they are sdayign no to resin then i am fervently hping for a surprise plastic obliterator kit ( /start pipedream).

my guess is that they will make the single characters and models Direct Only and the kits will come back in resin or plastic.

AvatarForm wrote:OK. Spoke to local GW manager today and his reason was that they require shelf space.

Items that are not sold often enough will be relegated to Direct Only, though you can order through your local store and the items come in through the GW Store.

He debunked the resin theories. Stating "Resin will not be sold in GW stores due to young customers".

And the mystery release is definitely not Space Hulk...

Metal, due to it's cost, will become GW "premium product"material, and as such metal miniatures will only be available direct from GW. They will continue to produce metal miniatures but only for characters and special units (read high value units) like Elites.....but not in every case....e.g. Terminators.

The current strategy of plastic usage will continue as before, and certain kits that were metal will be converted to plastic as their schedule dictates...

There will be no mass move to resin.

End of transmission.....The Emporer Protects

insaniak wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:OK. Spoke to local GW manager today and his reason was that they require shelf space.

Items that are not sold often enough will be relegated to Direct Only, though you can order through your local store and the items come in through the GW Store.

He debunked the resin theories. Stating "Resin will not be sold in GW stores due to young customers".

And the mystery release is definitely not Space Hulk...

I think one of the biggest problems in this whole conversation(s) is that "resin" can mean so many things: the brittle stuff that FW uses, the "plastic" resin that PP uses, very toxic/carcinogenic products and things that are no more toxic then plastic/white metal.

I think it's fair to say that we are not going to see a product like what FW puts out in retail GW stores. If I had to guess, I would say whatever it is will probably not be called "resin"; after all, PP simply calls their kits plastic (err, except for their new big thingies...).

There is just too much confusion out there, too many things that would make alarm bells blare for parents (especially in the litigious US), too much info out there talking about how resin dust is next to asbestos, for it to be mass-marketed to kids. And let's be clear, for this stuff to go on retail sale, it's got to be getting sold to kids.

Buzzsaw wrote:

insaniak wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:OK. Spoke to local GW manager today and his reason was that they require shelf space.

Items that are not sold often enough will be relegated to Direct Only, though you can order through your local store and the items come in through the GW Store.

He debunked the resin theories. Stating "Resin will not be sold in GW stores due to young customers".

And the mystery release is definitely not Space Hulk...

I think one of the biggest problems in this whole conversation(s) is that "resin" can mean so many things: the brittle stuff that FW uses, the "plastic" resin that PP uses, very toxic/carcinogenic products and things that are no more toxic then plastic/white metal.

I think it's fair to say that we are not going to see a product like what FW puts out in retail GW stores. If I had to guess, I would say whatever it is will probably not be called "resin"; after all, PP simply calls their kits plastic (err, except for their new big thingies...).

There is just too much confusion out there, too many things that would make alarm bells blare for parents (especially in the litigious US), too much info out there talking about how resin dust is next to asbestos, for it to be mass-marketed to kids. And let's be clear, for this stuff to go on retail sale, it's got to be getting sold to kids.

Same as you posted in the other discussion thread.

Which was just a repeat of what had alredy been stated.

AvatarForm wrote:...

Same as you posted in the other discussion thread.

Which was just a repeat of what had alredy been stated.

Hmmm... must have missed it, could you point out where it was "alredy" posted?

Or are you of the opinion that the information of a "local GW manager" has cracked the case, Jimmy?

Delephont wrote:The Emporer Protects

Death to the false "Emporer". Death to the enemies of the Emperor.

ph34r wrote:

Delephont wrote:The Emporer Protects

Death to the false "Emporer". Death to the enemies of the Emperor.

thats not a paradox...


i have nothing productive to add to this discussion otherwise

Praxiss wrote:The guy at my local GW woudln't give any decent answers. Just said that they can't order in the blisters anymore and there will be a "Big announcement" in May.

If they are sdayign no to resin then i am fervently hping for a surprise plastic obliterator kit ( /start pipedream).

my guess is that they will make the single characters and models Direct Only and the kits will come back in resin or plastic.

The guy at your local GW is absolutely an unreliable source.

I say absolutely because with the current policy at GW of "Leak info and your fired.", nothing that comes from a redshirt is going to actually be true. 1) They are being kept in the dark 2) If they do know and say anything, they are fired. So I discount anything they say automatically.

GW has told retailers:
-Sell off your metal and not re-order
-Big announcement on the 16th
-Metal is on rundown and 'while supplies last'

The rest is conjecture. But they damn well need to replace the metal models with SOMETHING, or there isn't enough left of some armies to sell.

Buzzsaw wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:...

Same as you posted in the other discussion thread.

Which was just a repeat of what had alredy been stated.

Hmmm... must have missed it, could you point out where it was "alredy" posted?

Or are you of the opinion that the information of a "local GW manager" has cracked the case, Jimmy?

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

and how did you miss posting this exact same post in the other thread in which you have simply repeated the conclusion that the thread had arrived at... hence the discussion went OT.

insaniak wrote:And the mystery release is definitely not Space Hulk...

In GWS's defense, the rest of what they said was "It's something we've never done before". As far as I know, that is true: never before have they flat out lied to everyone about a release like that before. Right?

AvatarForm wrote:OK. Spoke to local GW manager today and his reason was that they require shelf space.

Items that are not sold often enough will be relegated to Direct Only, though you can order through your local store and the items come in through the GW Store.

He debunked the resin theories. Stating "Resin will not be sold in GW stores due to young customers".

So will FLGS be able to order same or is this the end of Johnny Rico?


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mikhaila wrote:

Praxiss wrote:The guy at my local GW woudln't give any decent answers. Just said that they can't order in the blisters anymore and there will be a "Big announcement" in May.

If they are sdayign no to resin then i am fervently hping for a surprise plastic obliterator kit ( /start pipedream).

my guess is that they will make the single characters and models Direct Only and the kits will come back in resin or plastic.

The guy at your local GW is absolutely an unreliable source.

I say absolutely because with the current policy at GW of "Leak info and your fired.", nothing that comes from a redshirt is going to actually be true. 1) They are being kept in the dark 2) If they do know and say anything, they are fired. So I discount anything they say automatically.

GW has told retailers:
-Sell off your metal and not re-order
-Big announcement on the 16th
-Metal is on rundown and 'while supplies last'

The rest is conjecture. But they damn well need to replace the metal models with SOMETHING, or there isn't enough left of some armies to sell.

Or they are not selling those armies any more...

For clarity:

"resin" usually refers to a thermoset plastic which is two part and has a working time during which the material must be molded into shape. After the reaction is complete it is no longer moldable. Think epoxy or urethane.

"plastic" in common use here refers to a thermoplastic material, which you can heat up and form into shape. Usually here this is polystyrene, but there are a lot of materials that fall into this category. If you reheat you can usually remelt and reform these materials.

In the plastics industry all plastics can be called resins, but in common usage they fall into the categories above.

The big difference for the point of this discussion is that when first mixed "resins" can have a consistancy similar to water. They can be poured into molds made of rubbery materials. "Plastics" on the other hand when heated have a consistancy of something like a thick clay. that's why you need metal mold and lots of force to mold them into shape. Something that is a "plastic" cannot be molded in a soft mold as the forces involved will severely distort, if not destroy the mold. with solid molds you are limited in part shape because the part has to be able to disengage from the mold easily.

As I understand it, PP plastics are injection molded. The only way GW can switch from its current metal models to identical models made of any material is in soft molds. If they take this route they will have to use a "resin".

"Resins" in general are considered more toxic and more difficult to make safe because they are the result of a chemical reaction at the point of molding. The chance is much higher that you will have extra reactants left over which can leech out and cause problems. "Plastics" on the other hand can be precisely controlled from the maker to have a minimum of reactants that can cause problems, and a minimum of left over reactants. This doesn't always work out however (see BPA). There are "resins" that can be made safe and "plastics" that are unsafe but in general "plastics" have the edge.

Hope this helps to provide a little clarity...