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I've heard this in a few places, I've never worked with resin, so I don't know whether or not to be happy.

Is resin a good thing?

The problems I have with metal are...
1. I need to put extra work into assembly - this almost goes without saying. super glue also holds very badly, and over time all models will break unless they're G/S'd.
2. heavy. They're much too heavy to have many. this often means I must go on trips without my trebuchet. very annoying
3. It chips way too easily. the models all have little chips from use - no matter how careful you are. - and guess what?! We can't use purity seal because the climates not right for it.

Does resin solve any of these?

The only problem I can see with resin is that it will be brittle.

 
   
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Oregon, USA

It is light, like plastic, but being very very brittle it will break far more easily. It's also prone to mold warpage and bubbles, unless they've improved their molding techniques.

conversionwise it's midway between metal and plastic for me. I hate converting resin, but it IS easier than converting metal, by and large.

Paint will stay on resin better than metal (in my experience anyway), but the model itself will develop chips and nicks over time.

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Unless they change their moulding setup, they will have to keep the mould spinning until the resin sets, as unlike the metal casting, the resin doesn't harden in seconds.

(Spincasting is used as it allows you to quickly cast a number of models from one single pour, and not have to worry so much about forcing the material into the extremities. Centripetal force does that for you.

Many resins don't react well to centripetal force and have a tendency to act all non-newtonian (resist more the more force is applied).

Resin is more brittle. It requires more work (and LONGER periods) to cast properly.

As for paint stickage. A primed resin model and a primed metal model, both varnished properly have about the same toughness.

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hehe, I remember when people were upset when gw started to move to plastics. before then everything was metal. surely its a sign of the times... and my age (sigh).

personally, I fell in love with metal figures, just something nice about moving a heavy, metal warboss on a charge. though to be honest, I never worked with resin yet and I'm keeping an optimistic outlook until I'm able to do so...

but as boris the blade (ie. boris the bullet dodger) puts it:

"heavy is good, heavy is reliable...."

I will miss my metal minis...

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Ascalam wrote:It is light, like plastic, but being very very brittle it will break far more easily. It's also prone to mold warpage and bubbles, unless they've improved their molding techniques.

This is a generalisation, and not necessarily true.

What we all refer to as 'resin' is in reality simply a whole range of different types of plastic. Different companies use different types of 'resin' for casting. How brittle, how soft, how heavy, how much detail, how prone they are to bubbles, flash or mouldlines... all comes down to the specific type of plastic being used, and the casting process that it is used in.

So at this point, if the move to resin actually happens (and it is still at best a rumour) all we know is that the models will be made of some sort of plastic, and that rumour has it that it will be some sort of new resin that is usable in spin-casting.

Beyond that, it's all conjecture. My conjecture, however, is that GW have always been quite conscious of the problems caused by the materials they choose to use. Polystyrene is used for plastic models because, despite not being as good for crisp detail as some other plastics, it's easy to work with and is soft... making it less prone to breakages.

Forgeworld models being suitable mostly for more hard-core modellers due to the materials used is fine... They're meant to be less main-stream. But I would be very, very surprised if (again, assuming it's actuall happening in the first place) GW haven't considered the problems inherent with the normal run of resin models in the market today and planned accordingly when deciding how best to do this.

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OK, i'll clarify.

Everything GW made i've ever bought (and i include forgeworld in this, of course) is very brittle, and prone to bubbles and warpage.

If they can come up with a mega-resin that isn't i'm a happy camper.

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Hehehe...

UK laws prevent toys (Which GW makes, but not FW) from being made from plastic.

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Scipio Africanus wrote:I've heard this in a few places, I've never worked with resin, so I don't know whether or not to be happy.

Is resin a good thing?

The problems I have with metal are...
1. I need to put extra work into assembly - this almost goes without saying. super glue also holds very badly, and over time all models will break unless they're G/S'd.
2. heavy. They're much too heavy to have many. this often means I must go on trips without my trebuchet. very annoying
3. It chips way too easily. the models all have little chips from use - no matter how careful you are. - and guess what?! We can't use purity seal because the climates not right for it.

Does resin solve any of these?

The only problem I can see with resin is that it will be brittle.


1. Pin and glue, unless they're super thin and spindly it will all be good.
2. I tend not to notice after the metal dreadnought, SoB army and Warjacks.
3. Surprisingly none of mine really have any chips. Purity Seal is rubbish, so I'd say find a better Matt Varnish spray although they don't guarantee against chipping they help a little, the rest is looking after them. Depending on where you are if it's too hot and humid you might have to move somewhere cooler like a well ventilated garage. Also helps if you don't spray on heaps at once.

I've never worked with resin either, but I think its somewhere around the weight of metal models anyway.

   
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@not_u:

Many resins have the density of polystyrene, they will weigh a bit more since they tend to be solid casts, but not as much as a "white metal" piece of the same size.


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I see, only resin I've really seen in person is some of that GaleForce Nine terrain.

   
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Chowderhead wrote:Hehehe...

UK laws prevent toys (Which GW makes, but not FW) from being made from plastic.


This sounds absolutey absurd to me.
Toys can't be made of plastic? Someone, please tell me he's missed something.


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I'd like to see a reliable source on this one.

That said, this could just represent GW's closer ties of late with Forgeworld. If FW is willing to make the stuff, GW could just box it and sell it. Maybe it is more cost effective with larger kits? I have no idea.

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I think issue that is not being addressed is if all units but larger units go to resin and special order, which orders will GW actually do? As a specialist games survivor, be wary of any time something goes "special order." We may be seeing the end of whole swaths of units.

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Along with the resin update they are planning to release Citadel Resin Cleaner which is a small bottle of liquid soap that you'll need to clean your resin with before you can paint it. It'll come in the same container as the plastic glue, for $17.49 USD. There will also be a motorized toothbrush kind of thing as a companion product, and you can get both together in the Resin Cleaning Kit for $34.99

 
   
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My LGS was told, if you don't have the metal models pre-sold, don't order them. That's pretty reliable as far as I can tell.
   
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Where does everyone get information about stuff like this? (e.g GW moving to resing?)
Oh yeah, will GW moving to resin reduce prices or increase them?

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Necros wrote:Along with the resin update they are planning to release Citadel Resin Cleaner which is a small bottle of liquid soap that you'll need to clean your resin with before you can paint it. It'll come in the same container as the plastic glue, for $17.49 USD. There will also be a motorized toothbrush kind of thing as a companion product, and you can get both together in the Resin Cleaning Kit for $34.99
Now thats insane even by GW standards! $35 for something you can do with a bowl of soapy water for free?!

   
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i cant wait for resin, its much easier and better then metal.

Ive had plenty of resin models, and they have stayed together just fine.


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Gorechild wrote:
Necros wrote:Along with the resin update they are planning to release Citadel Resin Cleaner which is a small bottle of liquid soap that you'll need to clean your resin with before you can paint it. It'll come in the same container as the plastic glue, for $17.49 USD. There will also be a motorized toothbrush kind of thing as a companion product, and you can get both together in the Resin Cleaning Kit for $34.99
Now thats insane even by GW standards! $35 for something you can do with a bowl of soapy water for free?!


I was just being silly :p

 
   
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There surely has to be some significant difference with this new 'resin', you can't supply forgeworld type resin products to children. Lead-free metal is at least a fairly inert substance, but there's a reason that resin models are almost always for adult modellers.

I think that such a radical change to their manufacturing process will create more difficulties than perhaps they are prepared for. When they removed lead from their models there was a period when there seemed to be more miscasts around, usually a result of the metal not being hot enough entering the mould, or the model being removed too quickly. These issues cleared up after a bit and you stopped getting figures with the tips of their spears missing and the like. And of course supporting this change over was a price increase...

So I imagine there will be quality control issues when they implement this new material in place of metal. They are after all going to take moulds that were only ever designed for metal casting and attempting to use them for resin casting, that surely isn't as straight forward as it sounds. Some moulds will must be easier to use than others, and the rest, well they might be heading out of production. And the hassle and switch-over costs will result in a price increase. People thinking that GW will pass on any cost savings to the customer are kidding themselves, they just won't, that's not their style.

And what of their remaining metal stock? Will they have a huge wind down period or will they simply remove and destroy it or will they dump it in a huge sale? Again when they got rid of all their lead stock they had a 50% sale on everything with any lead parts which was a sizeable volume of the stuff in the shops. I don't think GW corporate would do us a favour like that today.
   
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Necros wrote:
Gorechild wrote:
Necros wrote:Along with the resin update they are planning to release Citadel Resin Cleaner which is a small bottle of liquid soap that you'll need to clean your resin with before you can paint it. It'll come in the same container as the plastic glue, for $17.49 USD. There will also be a motorized toothbrush kind of thing as a companion product, and you can get both together in the Resin Cleaning Kit for $34.99
Now thats insane even by GW standards! $35 for something you can do with a bowl of soapy water for free?!


I was just being silly :p

Thank god I wouldn't put it past them though tbh!

   
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Gorechild wrote:
Thank god I wouldn't put it past them though tbh!


Not after the "water pot".
   
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MagickalMemories wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:Hehehe...

UK laws prevent toys (Which GW makes, but not FW) from being made from plastic.


This sounds absolutey absurd to me.
Toys can't be made of plastic? Someone, please tell me he's missed something.


Eric


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I have on my desk a Nerf gun used to attract the attention of people the other side of my large office.

It's made of plastic.

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Howard A Treesong wrote:... ...

And what of their remaining metal stock? Will they have a huge wind down period or will they simply remove and destroy it or will they dump it in a huge sale? Again when they got rid of all their lead stock they had a 50% sale on everything with any lead parts which was a sizeable volume of the stuff in the shops. I don't think GW corporate would do us a favour like that today.


The way metal prices have risen they might make a small profit by selling their current metal stock for scrap. GW must have a couple of tons of metal in their supply chain at any time.

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Kilkrazy wrote:
MagickalMemories wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:Hehehe...

UK laws prevent toys (Which GW makes, but not FW) from being made from plastic.


This sounds absolutey absurd to me.
Toys can't be made of plastic? Someone, please tell me he's missed something.


Eric


I am in London.

I have on my desk a Nerf gun used to attract the attention of people the other side of my large office.

It's made of plastic.

Oh no! A policeman is coming in thru the winods--HELP MEME!!!


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Howard A Treesong wrote:... ...

And what of their remaining metal stock? Will they have a huge wind down period or will they simply remove and destroy it or will they dump it in a huge sale? Again when they got rid of all their lead stock they had a 50% sale on everything with any lead parts which was a sizeable volume of the stuff in the shops. I don't think GW corporate would do us a favour like that today.


The way metal prices have risen they might make a small profit by selling their current metal stock for scrap. GW must have a couple of tons of metal in their supply chain at any time.


I'm going to assume that he mistakenly meant resin instead of plastic.

Either way I think it's not quite right...

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So what will happen to the old Imperial Guard models like the Vostroyans and Mordians?

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Actually Forge world use it and its not to hard to brake it at all, its pretty tuff, you can bend it easly though

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chromedog wrote:Unless they change their moulding setup, they will have to keep the mould spinning until the resin sets, as unlike the metal casting, the resin doesn't harden in seconds.

(Spincasting is used as it allows you to quickly cast a number of models from one single pour, and not have to worry so much about forcing the material into the extremities. Centripetal force does that for you.

Many resins don't react well to centripetal force and have a tendency to act all non-newtonian (resist more the more force is applied).

Resin is more brittle. It requires more work (and LONGER periods) to cast properly.

As for paint stickage. A primed resin model and a primed metal model, both varnished properly have about the same toughness.


Are you sure it is centripetal or centrifugal?

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Centripetal is the force (often incorrectly used as "centrifugal").

Centrifugal is its partner force (equal and opposite and all that).

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