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I could see the point of using a couple of hotshot lasguns in a unit of henchmen that also includes 3 x plasma guns, so you can get 5 rapid firing AP3 guns out of the top hatch of a Chimera, but they're pretty expensive for what you get, really -- especially compared to the more versatile storm bolters and bolters.

Vs Marines
6 BS3 HS-LG fire on rapid fire, 6 hit S 3 vs T 4 =2 unsaved Wounds
6 BS3 Storm Bolter/Bolt Gun on rapid fire 6 hit S4 vs T4= 3 Wounds and after the 3+ Saves = 1 wound

I prefer stormbolters. First off easy to find cover to negate the ap3. Then add in that stormbolters have more shots at longer range to force more saves. I found the stormbolters a better buy. Of course YMMV.

doubled wrote:I prefer stormbolters. First off easy to find cover to negate the ap3. Then add in that stormbolters have more shots at longer range to force more saves. I found the stormbolters a better buy. Of course YMMV.

True, but think about this

Think about this

Ordos Hereticus in Carapace Armor with a Null-Rod, Condemnor Bolt Gun and a Psycculum
Henchmen
-3x Warriors in Carapace Armor and Plasma Guns
-9x Warriors in Carapace Armor and Hot Shot Las-Guns
Points: 261

Vs. a Space Wolf Rune Priest in Power Armor with Bolt Pistol, Rune Weapon, Living Lighting and JotWW.
Grey Hunter Pack
-1x Grey Hunter with Wolf Standard, Bolt Gun and Power Fist
-2x Grey Hunters with Plasma Guns
-1x Grey Hunter with Bolt Gun and Plasma Pistol
-1x Grey Hunter with Bolt Gun and MotW
-5x Grey Hunters with Bolt Guns
Points: 325 points

Let’s set the Range at within ”

This would seem to be common occurrence within my local Meta

Let’s have the Ordos Hereticus fire 1st.
-The Ordos Hereticus: He fires his Bolt Gun [Why waste the Crossbow Bolt] with a Ballistic Skill of 10 [Psycculum vs. a Psyker]
-He roll 2 times rolling a 1 and a 6, he Re-Rolls the one and comes up with a and hits twice wounding once, which is save easily
-Then the 3 Plasma Guns go off, the roll is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Re-Roll the 1 making it a 2, that’s 6 hits. Rolling 6 times for wounds, once more a roll of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 inflicting 5 unsaved wounds.
-The 9 Hot Shot Las-Guns fire rolling 18 rolls 1x3, 2x3, 3x3, 4x3, 5x3, 6x3. Rerolling the 3 Ones you hit with all three. You roll for 18 wounds and roll 1x3, 2x3, 3x3, 4x3, 5x3, 6x3. This makes for 6 more Unsaved Wounds for a total of 11 unsaved wounds in a Squad of 12 Wounds.

This time let’s have the Space Puppies go 1st

The Rune Priest must fire his Bolt Pistol because none of his powers will work on the Ordos Hereticus and his Henchmen [Null-Rod].
The Grey Hunters Fire their 5 Plasma Shots Rolling 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 hitting 4 times and even wounds 4 time killing 4 Henchmen.
No the rest of the Grey Hinters fire 14 Bolt Gun Shots rolling 1x1, 2x1, 3x3, 4x3, 5x3, 6x3 hitting with 12 shots and rolling 1x2, 2x2, 3x2, 4x2, 5x2, 6x2 wounding 8 times, the Ordos Hereticus and his Henchmen make 4 of the Save for a total of 4 Wounds

I know that this is an uncommon occurrence, buy every army has some sort of Psychic unit that this 261 point unit can work against.

Necrons, Orks, I Guard, Tau, Dark Eldar, B Templar, D Angels. These are armies that either have no psykers at all, or psykers that are not taken very often due to limited usefulness. I see your example and while I do see where your coming from there will be one maybe two units in an army that have a psyker in them. Also there are many ways to beat ap3 that see tourny play, fnp, cover, termie armour ect.

Anpu42 wrote:I know that this is an uncommon occurrence, buy every army has some sort of Psychic unit that this 261 point unit can work against.

Say that to a Templar's face and you might have an "accident". There's so many things that could "go wrong"...



ABHOR THE WITCH, DESTROY THE WITCH! RAAAAARGH!

To continue to use your own example, my 10 gk walk in, shot 20 str 5 sb shots, and then assault the now init 1 grey hunters with their priest buddy with 21 power weapon attacks.

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still under construction so please forgive the spartan appearance.

Also if anyone has picks if the units, I would love to have a copy for the page, would of course give credit.