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Lokki wrote:doom fist is a power fist and is treated like a dreadnaught CCW for all other purposes, that includes strike last at Int 1 in combat if im not mistaken?

No you are mistaken. A Dreadnought close combat weapon is a POWER WEAPON which doubles the users strength in close combat (maxium of 10). That's the exact wording from the rulebook. It is not a power fist so strike at I4 so no need for hammer. All the hammer does it auto shake vehicles.

No, a doomfist is a dred CC weapon, which strikes at I1. Have you never read the rules?

Honest, you look like a seasoned player with THAT many posts.

So it's probably best you READ the rules. It doesn't say power fist.


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rogersss wrote:No dread cc weapons strike at your initiative not I1.

I know. Try telling these monkeys that

so 10 points gives me pinning and shaken results? or you saying 20 points for more halbards?

Pinning for what?

sorry my fault, it reduces the wounded unit to int 1....


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ok so no hammer and do wat upgrade some more halbards or give some termies falchions??

I think what you need to do is actually listen to people who know the rules when giving advice. Kaptin Grigger has just told you false information. You do not need the hammer as the Dreadknight has a S10 weapon already and it is worth paying 10 points just to auto shake vehicles and reduce something to I1? Probably not. The stuff you're going against won't have a intiaitive (vehicles), may be quicker (monstrous creatures) or can't hurt you well (infantry). It's not worth the upgrade.

Falchions are cool for the +1 attack maybe 2 depending how you play it. Halberds are good too, even better if you're deep striking and expecting to be assaulted.

cool so more attacks or faster smacking people in face i likes it

My point is if people are going to make jackass comments then they should get there facts right first. Dccw are not power fists and do not pin. So if someone is going to tell me to best check the rules they best not look like a fool in the process and be damn right. Point and principle, bascially don't come over like a arse you won't in person so don't lose manners over the internet.

I told you to drop the Rhino because it doesn't fit the list. Everything else is perfectly fine or else I would have said. I am pretty sure you can work out what to do with 40 points.

Psybolts, you only need them if taking units of 10 - are you?

Ok, well you are still getting pinning attacks AND the extra damage against veichles. Its still worth 10 points.

In other news, i'm going to kill the guys at my local GW, for telling me lies.

LOL and LOL and a bit more LOL

Don't take the hammer it loses one attack and a shaken thing is just not worth it. To think out of the many rolls. 2 will kill it. 3 out of the 6 means it can't move. only weapon destroyed means it can move but you can take out the biggest weapon so it can't hurt you.

to think out of the 4 hits S10 2D6 pen.

I am sure one will be a pen. Problem solved


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Kaptin Grigger wrote:Ok, well you are still getting pinning attacks AND the extra damage against veichles. Its still worth 10 points.

In other news, i'm going to kill the guys at my local GW, for telling me lies.

its ok my friend told me that initialtive test required 2 dice. on my orks that was hell. Also he told me that his psychic power (initialtive test) kill walker too. That was crazy on my deff dread.

It was funny how he kept running his gk termis into my deff dread only to find out his rules are fails and plan is also a fail.

I laughed hard. deff dread kill kill kill termis.

Like i said, Mercer, i was under false impression. Back when i started, nine years ago, the guys at my GW told me that dred CC weapons were basicly big powerfists. And they told me that it didn't change in the new book, so i didn't read it. I had no paticular need to untill recently, as i never used armys with dred CCweapons before i started GK recently.

So i apologise for my misunderstanding, and my Slander. I would also like you to apologise for yours, but i wont hold you to that.

I however, still plan on using the hammer. I think its a better choice, but i AM an unorthadox player. and i play against BA death company armys, involving losts of attacks from power weapons eECT.

my main armies atm are BA, BT, CSM and TAU >.< kinda annoying as hell, but i apologise aswell for my behaviours and slander, anyways moving on, wth do i spend 40points on.....

I have used interceptors extensively and I have found that five man squads are pretty much a waste. I strongly urge you to revisit that part of the list. I have had a lot of luck with my interceptors, but only in a ten man unit. Other than that....that's a lot of terminators. And GMs are really awesome.

Edit: by extensively, I mean that I have used them in all of my games since the new codex.

looking at my list how would i go about that without comprimising the 2 10 man troop choices? take out a dreadknight?

Kaptin Grigger wrote:Ok, well you are still getting pinning attacks AND the extra damage against veichles. Its still worth 10 points.

In other news, i'm going to kill the guys at my local GW, for telling me lies.

You don't get pinning attacks from hammers, I've already told you this.

Kaptin Grigger wrote:Like i said, Mercer, i was under false impression. Back when i started, nine years ago, the guys at my GW told me that dred CC weapons were basicly big powerfists. And they told me that it didn't change in the new book, so i didn't read it. I had no paticular need to untill recently, as i never used armys with dred CCweapons before i started GK recently.

So i apologise for my misunderstanding, and my Slander. I would also like you to apologise for yours, but i wont hold you to that.

I however, still plan on using the hammer. I think its a better choice, but i AM an unorthadox player. and i play against BA death company armys, involving losts of attacks from power weapons eECT.

Apology accepted. You really should check rules first before telling someone else to check rules though. Dccw might have been power fists 9 years ago but that was a long time ago.

Sorry I called you a Monkey.

Lokki wrote:my main armies atm are BA, BT, CSM and TAU >.< kinda annoying as hell, but i apologise aswell for my behaviours and slander, anyways moving on, wth do i spend 40points on.....

I've already more or less told you what to spend the 40 points on. I have asked you if your squads are in 10 man (by looking myself they are) so psybolt ammo would be fine on the 10 man units - btw you've got psybolt ammo on the Interceptors, they do not need it. There job is to bounce about with psycannons adding psybolt ammo makes 5 man squads expensive so just stick psybolt ammo in 10 man units.

mercer wrote:The single Rhino is just going to fail I'm afriad because it's the single mech target. Everything in this army can deep strike so I would ditch the Rhino and use that as your strength and deep strike the Strike Squad as well.

all you said was use my strengths.

and yea 2x 10 man squads 1 termie 1 strike

would i be able to stick a brother hood banner in the termies and some falchions for abit of crowd control?

because if i deep strike would counter attack from the GkGM be a better choice?

I've said your strengths because you hardly any weaknesses apart from the Rhino, which is what I mentioned.

What I mentioned several posts ago was asking if your squads are 10 man strong, which they are, so with the 40 points pop psybolt ammo onto two squads.

Counter attack is excellent for deep striking lists especially if you have halberds too

my strike squad already has psybolt, so i dropped psybolt on my GKGM and added bro banner and psybolt to termies

Grand Master definately doesn't need psybolt ammo . Suits Terminators better though Interceptors do not need psybolt ammo either, 4 points for +1 strength shooting? That's a bad deal, no thanks! Also you still have the useless hammers on the Dreadknights...

just edited it was thinking psybolt on my interceptors means they all firing 2 shot heavy bolters and a psycannon, and if i shunt they cant assault so wouldn't a 5 man unit with str 5 weapons do a bit more damage??

Maybe against tanks and I do see your point. It's just 4 points extra for a 5 man squad and is it worth it? I've done side armour shots with psybolts and it does work. Perhaps try it and see

means my 5 man unit becomes a better threat, so my troops might live longer, if not i just pop a tank or devastator units