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biccat wrote:I don't think that there's really that much difference between Psykers and Sorcerers.

Then you are wrong.

Anyone can become a sorcerer through making pacts with daemons and such. You have to be born with the right set of genetics to be a psyker. A psyker uses his/her own power and willpower to create their effects, literally bending reality with their mind (thus why they are "psychic" in our parlance)-- a sorcerer uses ritual, sacrifice, and pacts with daemons.

The daemon pacts thing is the reason why sorcery is STILL forbidden by Imperial law. Daemons are just kinda sucky to deal with like that

Im pretty sure at some point the wolfs had at least one fight with the inquision and the sisters of battle

that is exactly the distinction.

While the space wolves made use of psykers, they DID NOT stray beyond a certain point into daemon summoning etc.

Its like in america, theres a difference between owning an gun and using it responsibly in a range and owning one and going out shooting beercans off a playground slide during playtime.

purplefood wrote:He didn't do what he could to save his legion though...
Russ gave him every chance to surrender before he launched his attack.
Magnus seemed to agree with the Emperor's supposed decision and let Russ attack him.

biccat is correct. Leamen Russ didnt give any chances to Magnus. Read the HH series
'Thousand Son'

Which is from the Thousand Sons' perspective. There's also a book from the SW's perspective

yeah exactly lol, the other book fills in the extra!

cant make a judgement after only reading half the story!

With GW, you have two perspectives, and the truth is somewhere in the middle. Cause every side is gonna lie to make itself look better.

But to be fair, the emperor was going to imprison Magnus on the golden throne kinda without telling him. Don't blame him really, a few primarchs were pretty much forced to chaos, 1k sons being one, and Death Guard being another, they only succumed after the destroyer plague forced them to.

It's possible though that Mr Emperor wasnt going to do that or at least not in that way (chaos tends to twist things). It could just have been Horus being naughty again.

When I read that bit I thought "Emperor...your a sod" but after reading Prospero Burns it made me think twice.

But what would have happened if magnus was in the golden throne.!!! maybe it would have stopped chaos and mankind victorious( not likely).

It would probably have draind him hideously, as even though he was second to the Emperor, the Emperor was just so damn powerful that even the most powerful psykers just couldn't handle it without being severely drained.

Hmmm interesting points re: Magnus on the throne. Would it make a difference if there was no need to plug the hole in the webway? If the Throne was only originally supposed to power the Astronomicon, could Magnus have handled that?

Melissia wrote:It would probably have draind him hideously, as even though he was second to the Emperor, the Emperor was just so damn powerful that even the most powerful psykers just couldn't handle it without being severely drained.

But the Golden Throne was originally designed to house Magnus and allow Humanity to master the Webway. I'm certain that the Emperor, callous and heartless bastard that he was, wouldn't cause Magnus a lot of pain.


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infinite_array wrote:

Melissia wrote:It would probably have draind him hideously, as even though he was second to the Emperor, the Emperor was just so damn powerful that even the most powerful psykers just couldn't handle it without being severely drained.

But the Golden Throne was originally designed to house Magnus and allow Humanity to master the Webway. I'm certain that the Emperor, callous and heartless bastard that he was, wouldn't cause Magnus a lot of pain.

As for Magnus powering the Astronomicon, I'm sure he could have handled it on his own. The Emperor only needs the psyker sacrifices he gets now because how how severely injured he is.

I generally feel quite sorry for Magnus and his boy's.

They were doing what they thought was right, blinded to the danger by their love of the Emperor.

As was Russ, in fact.

But it remains that the Thousand Son's fall to Chaos is one of the most tragic stories in the whole of the 40k universe.

In Prospero Burns Leman Russ is sorry he has to destroy a brother Legion, all the SW feel this way, but they feel they must do their duty, so they leave must fleeing ships alone. They only fight the way they do because they are grim and against a worthy enemy.


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Plus in Prospero Burns there is that Daemon that possesses the outworlder on Prospero. Which I believe is Tzeentch.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:No acording to what I have heard...

All of 1k sons have been imprisoned in their power armor for the rest of eternity....

There is no reverse spell for that...at least noon ever found one...

Only those Thousand Sons that had not pysker ability were sealed by the Rubic.

As to the question, it doesn't matter what happened during the Heresy, they have completely turned to chaos, you can't save a chaos marine.

...because the rest were destroyed by it...

I think the Chaos chapters that were forced were:

1k Sons

Ngiht Lords (Leader went crazy, then redeemed himself)

Death Guard

Alpha Legion (they joined of free will, but who knows who they're working for?)