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Why are you paying more points to put another psycannon in your list?

Yes dreadnoughts can get assault cannons with psybolts, but why would you? Its another case of doing the same thing as everyone else in the army. You want psycannons, buy them literally anywhere else, and get more of them at a lower cost. If you really want psycannons so badly, purgation squads (not that I would use them) or purifiers can pack 4 to a unit. The dreadnought will never be able to match that kind of firepower. Or assault power in the case of a purifier squad.

Yes the strength 10 force weapon is nice, but you know who else can do that? Any unit with a daemonhammer (inquisitors excluded). Once again, you are using the dreadnought in an identical role as every other unit GK has. This codex is full to bursting with short to mid range firepower and assault units that can do all the tricks a dreadnought can, minus reinforced aegis.

As I said before, the one unique thing a dreadnought can do for GK, that no one other unit brings, is long range and accurate anti-tank fire. Psyrifle dreads fulfill a role that the codex badly needed, because when you take a look at the big picture, every other unit does pretty much the same thing in a slightly different way.

Brute, I'm doing it because its cool not because I really want to play competitive. I know that the optimal build for dreads are 2xAC w/ psybolts, but I find that rather boring and not nearly as fun or cool.

Bruteboss wrote:Why are you paying more points to put another psycannon in your list?

Yes dreadnoughts can get assault cannons with psybolts, but why would you? Its another case of doing the same thing as everyone else in the army. You want psycannons, buy them literally anywhere else, and get more of them at a lower cost. If you really want psycannons so badly, purgation squads (not that I would use them) or purifiers can pack 4 to a unit. The dreadnought will never be able to match that kind of firepower. Or assault power in the case of a purifier squad.

Yes the strength 10 force weapon is nice, but you know who else can do that? Any unit with a daemonhammer (inquisitors excluded). Once again, you are using the dreadnought in an identical role as every other unit GK has. This codex is full to bursting with short to mid range firepower and assault units that can do all the tricks a dreadnought can, minus reinforced aegis.

As I said before, the one unique thing a dreadnought can do for GK, that no one other unit brings, is long range and accurate anti-tank fire. Psyrifle dreads fulfill a role that the codex badly needed, because when you take a look at the big picture, every other unit does pretty much the same thing in a slightly different way.

I see what you are getting at, but the Dreds don't have to be Auto-cannon dreds.


a Multi-melta dred will also do a nice job for the GK army and can make use of the Stormraven's transport capability.


I love my psyflemen to death, but i don't see their use in a Stormraven assault list. you want as much power to be coming out of those Stormravens as possable and Dreds can do that.

heck, i would actually recomend a compromise. take a dred, but only give it one Auto-cannon and keep its Doomfist. that way you have 2 TL shots at Str8 and you keep your CC ability. and if you do get stranded you still have some Long ranged shots to work with.

I've been attracted to the Psycannon Ven Dreads. They pack the same punch as some infantry units, but they also contribute to AV 12 saturation. In CC, they can take a lot more punishment if you avoid just diving into units with hidden power fists.

Also, since they're the same range as the rest of the army, you don't have to split up your forces. With Psyflemen Dreads, you end up leaving them behind and unsupported. If someone turbo-boosts or deepstrieks back to them, they aren't supported by the rest of your folk. Long range support is nice, but they lack field position support.

Basically, I don't see GKs as a long-range shooty army. I see them as a mid-range mobile firepower that aren't afraid of taking it to CC if they're charged or to finish off an opponent.

Edit: To add a bit to keep this relevant to the topic: I usually put the psycannon dread in a Stormraven. They benefit from the transport and the support provided by the other transported unit and the raven all at the same time. Basically, all three elements work together at that point. Of course, not dying because the Raven is a huge target would be nice. . .

I notice most of you are choosing lascannons, is there any use to be found from the rending rule and/or multiple shots of the assault cannons? I figure with 4 shots and rending you have a chance to do a lot of damage but I've never played assault cannons before.

I'm an idiot -.- I misread the entry list and didn't read that they're twin linked weapons

I am going with Assault cannons with psybolts.


Yay for TL-psycannon(kinda )

To the OP: I understand that the cookie cutter build can be boring at times and totally respect wanting something different. I just wanted to point out how good (and valuable) the psyrifle dread is to GK, given that we totally lack answers to fighting at that range. From my point of view, its boring to have my dreadnought do the exact same thing as every other unit in my army, and I really enjoy using it in a unique role.

Back on topic: the assault cannon/heavy bolter/ hurricane bolter storm raven has really been tempting me lately. That thing just puts out so much anti-infantry fire its stupid, and could probably take down a horde unit by itself in 1 turn of good shooting. What holds me back is the same as the dreadnought: anti-tank. If I make it anti-infantry, I have 1 more infantry shooting unit in an army of infantry shooting units. I just face too many mech armies to justify switching it, but I would really love to try one out against a horde army some day. One thing I wouldn't do is give it psybolt ammo, as that removes its defensive weapons and therefore the ability to move fast and shoot everything.

More on topic: I think if your heart is set on putting dreadnoughts in a stormraven list, you should really play BA, as their dreads are just so much better at short range than ours, and they will really tear it up in cc.

How often does it actually get in the way if the Hurricane Botlers aren't defensive? That only matters if you move 12", and that probably only happens once per game: when you move 12" to disembark the cargo. Even then, you can still fire two weapons; one because it's fast, the other from PotMS. So when you're up in the opponent's face, you can't fire the sponsons that probably can't pull line of sight to the same target. I think the upgrade would still be worth taking, especially since it gives you a lot of shots that can affect Rhinos and Razorbacks, and (in the case of the AC, HB, Hurricane setup) a few shots that are worth directing at AV 12 (or greater, with rending Str 7).

not having the Hurricanes be defensive isn't a huge deal.

with the stormraven you are either moving flat out(in which case defensive or offensive is moot) or are staying realativly still(in which case you can fire everything)


alternativly, don't pay the 30 points for the sponsons.

I say unless you have points to spare, leave the hurricanes at home.

My main goal here is that I play BA normally, and can see the way stormravens can be worked with BA, but I like the idea of low model count elite army of GK.

AC dreds are awesome, no lie there haha, but they really seem to have no place in a GK Stormraven list it seems, unless you divide your army too much. If there was a way to have both I would love to, but I think the anti-tank a list of Gk would need has to be found in the stormravens and meltadreds again if using a stormraven list, so i would move away from making stormravens all anti-hoard def since it eats up points so fast with hurricane bolters

I am using Hurricane Bolters, Multi-melta, and Assault cannons, whole thing with psybolts, on my stormravens.


while the whole army is anti-horde in the extreme, the Hurricane bolters are still useful.

the Stormraven has a Multi-melta and Psycannon for anti-tank. or PotMS the MM at a tank and fire the psycannon and bolters at infantry.


the stormraven can do both.