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cgmckenzie wrote:
And besides, 'affix bayonets' sounds like something a british officer would say during the Boer Wars before sipping tea.

-cgmckenzie

That's probably the point.

ChrisWWII wrote:

cgmckenzie wrote:
And besides, 'affix bayonets' sounds like something a british officer would say during the Boer Wars before sipping tea.

-cgmckenzie

That's probably the point.

Too true!

Damn, I forgot those guys existed! Any way to get them besides ebay?

-cgmckenzie

It's true that bayonets were/are generally used on the charge, but you're forgetting the context of 40k.

The worst thing a modern soldier might have to bayonet is a Maori. Now think... in a universe as hostile as 40k, against a countless multitude of enemies all to eager to rip your arse apart in melee, don't you think that the poor Guard might be trained to use their sharp, pointy things defensively?

If so, then Counter-Charge works. The ordered squad braces for the charge, and manages to increase their damage output on the turn they they're assaulted without hindering the opponent's melee abilities in any way (unlike defensive grenades, or initiating the charge with Fleet).

Okay, options.

1: This order provides Counter-Attack until the beginning of the Imperial Guard owner's next turn.
2: The Squad is given Fleet until the end of this turn.
3: (My suggestion) The Squad's Lasguns count as Assault 2 until end of turn.
4: The squad has +1 Initiative until end of turn.

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:1: This order provides Counter-Attack until the beginning of the Imperial Guard owner's next turn.

Good. Represents a defensive stance/drill/formation.

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:2: The Squad is given Fleet until the end of this turn.

Good. Represents an offensive bayonet charge.

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:3: (My suggestion) The Squad's Lasguns count as Assault 2 until end of turn.

Hmmm... this wouldn't really lead to an assault though, as IG units that are issued this order could just hang back (as if given the FRF, SRF order, but better), or move towards objectives without sacrificing firepower. Maybe they could count their Lasguns as Laspistols instead?

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:4: The squad has +1 Initiative until end of turn.

Good. GK Halberds already provide a similar advantage, so it doesn't stretch the rules too far. Helps ordered units in any assault though, whether initiating or receiving a charge, so maybe a little too powerful.

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:Okay, options.

1: This order provides Counter-Attack until the beginning of the Imperial Guard owner's next turn.
2: The Squad is given Fleet until the end of this turn.
3: (My suggestion) The Squad's Lasguns count as Assault 2 until end of turn.
4: The squad has +1 Initiative until end of turn.

While 1 and 4 are both good options, I like 4. It's simple, and it's useful in both offensive and defensive situations like this order should be.

Remember, IG already get twin-linking, -1 to enemy cover saves, auto-regroup, extra running dice, and a whole bunch of other nice things. +1 to init wouldn't be too insane.

cgmckenzie wrote:Damn, I forgot those guys existed! Any way to get them besides ebay?

-cgmckenzie

For official models, theres not much choice. Theres a bunch of third party stuff you could use I suppose

ChrisWWII wrote:[Remember, IG already get twin-linking, -1 to enemy cover saves, auto-regroup, extra running dice, and a whole bunch of other nice things. +1 to init wouldn't be too insane.

With Straken though you'll be I5! Must be the catachan training

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:Okay, options.

1: This order provides Counter-Attack until the beginning of the Imperial Guard owner's next turn.
2: The Squad is given Fleet until the end of this turn.
3: (My suggestion) The Squad's Lasguns count as Assault 2 until end of turn.
4: The squad has +1 Initiative until end of turn.

I like number one the best. But would it be an order a PCS can issue or just the CCS?

I would say Platoon Command as generally they're probably seen as more expendable than CCS and probably will have to deal with a lot of assaults/close quarter firefights

PCS is typical 'in the gak' of the fighting while ccs is working a little further back. If it only goes to one of them, let it go to pcs.

CCS is good for dealing with over arching goals(take this, defend that) but the PCS should deal with how to achieve these goals(kill them, assault them, hunker down here).

-cgmckenzie

Hmm I think it should go to both though since all orders a PCS can do, so can a CCS

True, but the chances of a CCS ever actually issuing it is slim. When have you ever had a CCS issue 'incoming!!"?

-cgmckenzie