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What is more fitting than this famous line when the inevitable happens and its time to get into close combat with imperial guard! Now I know IG are solid rulewise but I am a bit sadden that there arent any orders that are assault based so I wanted to see what I could do about it especially for assault based regiments like Death Korps of Krieg and Nordic Beserkers (yes I know that assault IG does contradict their main theme sans powerblobs). Have a few ideas swimming in my head

Follows all normal rules for orders (dont know which SC should have it)

Idea One: On a Charge, each model the selected unit gains an additional attack (so they gain +2A when charging). This could be very painful with a powerblob I suppose

Idea Two: On a Charge, for every 5 models add D6A to one guardsmen. A bit more balanced since its restricted to only WS3 S3 I3 guardsmen (unless straken is about) but adds in the possibility of more basic attacks. The reasoning for the one guardsmen part is so that you dont muck about distributing the attacks

If these still seem overpowered, then maybe add in rage to show their faith in the emperor, and their lasgun! Maybe even tack on fleet for the extra bit of suicide rush syndrome

Counter Charge USR maybe?

Oh right, that exists! And makes more sense for non assault regiments. Gaining Counter Charge until your next turn does sound more sensible.

You could always implement an "Over the Top!" order or something, which allows Guardsmen to charge D6+6".

I_am_a_Spoon wrote:You could always implement an "Over the Top!" order or something, which allows Guardsmen to charge D6+6".

Just give them fleet.

Lol, now I feel dumb.

There is already a CC order: "For the honour of Cadia". Just sayin'.

Yes one order that is only available by getting a SC. I am not trying to make a super order, just one that generally all IG regiments would have

AlmightyWalrus wrote:There is already a CC order: "For the honour of Cadia". Just sayin'.

Not to mention, that order gives them Fearless which you don't want as it's going to give you LOTS of extra wounds.

I always imagined the bayoneted guardsmen would charge forward pulling the trigger as fast as he could... i'd rather the big scary alien was shot to pieces before i tried to poke him with a pocket knife strapped to a nerf gun...

So why not just make the order turn the Lasgun into Assault 2 (or 1 if too powerful) for that turn. (like how the Penal Legion sometimes end up)? Most likely Assault 1, otherwise it would greatly over shadow the FRFSRF order.

Running into an assualt, the guard are going to be shooting, not to kill but to suppress, so try an extra attack that strikes first for every 3 guardsmen. This would indicate that a few of the defenders are ducking or otherwise suppressed when the boots hit the assault.

Or, give them an 'over run' order. It can only be given to blobs because of sheer size. The unit literally runs over the defending forces, trampling them underfoot ala codex fluff. Roll a D6 for each assaulting guardsman. On a 5+ they are destroyed. The defending squad then takes wounds equal to the surviving models.

Bayonet charges are bloody for both sides.

-cgmckenzie

I don't think giving guardsmen 66% to auto wound plagues, trygons and wraithlords a good idea. Fleet is not bad for a simple order. Or maybe something like +1 init while getting charged for using bayonets' longer reach?

Macok wrote:I don't think giving guardsmen 66% to auto wound plagues, trygons and wraithlords a good idea. Fleet is not bad for a simple order. Or maybe something like +1 init while getting charged for using bayonets' longer reach?

This is probably the best solution.

Macok wrote:I don't think giving guardsmen 66% to auto wound plagues, trygons and wraithlords a good idea. Fleet is not bad for a simple order. Or maybe something like +1 init while getting charged for using bayonets' longer reach?

I liike this idea. Doesn't seem too OP, and it reflects the fluff quite well. I mean if Grey Knights get +2 init for using halberds (aka fancy blade on a stick) why shouldn't Guardsmen get +1 for using a less fancy blade on a stick?

Hmm perhaps an initiative boost. At least then you can get full attacks when going against MEQs which sometimes is just as good as getting extra attacks

I think an order that allows them to volley into an enemy then charge them a la victorian/napoleonic tactics would be cool. Maybe make all lasguns in the unit assault 2 or assault 1.

How about on the turn they are charged, the unit that charges them loses a point of initiative (to a minimum of one) and the guardmen gain a +1 boost to strength to represent the weight of the charge being used against them?

S_P

Space_Potato wrote:How about on the turn they are charged, the unit that charges them loses a point of initiative (to a minimum of one) and the guardmen gain a +1 boost to strength to represent the weight of the charge being used against them?

S_P

So they get furious charge? Ehh then that would make straken less unique and I doubt a simple bayonet adds to your strength when chainswords dont

Just give them Counter Charge.

Dkok have trench tools and bayonets that give them a +1 Ws...

sluggaslugga wrote:Dkok have trench tools and bayonets that give them a +1 Ws...

Yeah, but DKoK are noted to have spent their entire lives training with the bayonet to get that extra +1 WS.

I like the idea of an initiative bonus, cause the Guardsmen are going to be readying themselves, holding hte bayonets out like pikes.

What about +1 strength when being attacked


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What about +1 strength when being attacked

As I mentioned, I doubt a little knife at the end of a lasgun/what ever weapon they're using would grant them more strength

I_am_a_Spoon wrote:Counter Charge USR maybe?

I agree with this. As a "normal" order this shouldn't be OTT, and will add something to the Guard Codex that isn't already present. I think it fits perfectly in line with the "power level" of other orders, and is thematic of the "Hold the Line!" mentality of the Guard. Straken and Creed already provide Furious Charge. Al'Rahem already provides Fleet. Nobody provides Counter-Attack - and that's a shame. Have this order provide Counter-Attack.

kenshin620 wrote:As I mentioned, I doubt a little knife at the end of a lasgun/what ever weapon they're using would grant them more strength

It would just give the an extra CC weapon... That could work

Counter-Attack actually makes the most sense. If a horde of tiny Tyranid monstrosities are running at your fortifications, screeching all the while, then a Guardsman isn't going to run at them, screaming his faith in the Emperor; he's going to keep shooting until they pour themselves over the battlement's walls, and then bayonet them in whatever passes for a brain.

Alright from both fluff and mechanics wise, I guess "AFFIX BAYONETS" granting a unit counter charge would be the best idea

The order should be 'Fix Bayonets' btw. That was annoying me.

And traditionally, that is used when charging, not being charged. So furious charge is better than counter charge. A anti assault order could be 'HOLD THE LINE!!', granting counter charge.

I think that fits a little better fluff wise.

-cgmckenzie

cgmckenzie wrote:The order should be 'Fix Bayonets' btw. That was annoying me.

And traditionally, that is used when charging, not being charged. So furious charge is better than counter charge. A anti assault order could be 'HOLD THE LINE!!', granting counter charge.

I think that fits a little better fluff wise.

-cgmckenzie

I'm pretty sure affix is the correct word here

Affix–verb (used with object)
1.to fasten, join, or attach (usually followed by to ): to affix stamps to a letter.
2.to put or add on; append: to affix a Signature to a contract.
3.to impress (a seal or stamp).

Well ok true bayonets are used for charging, furious charge doesnt make sense as I have explained before. If it is an assault order, extra initiative or attacks or some other idea would be more realistic but not strength

Grammatically, both are right but traditionally, in US military history atleast, the order has always been 'fix bayonets.' Military tradition doesn't always follow proper rules of the english language.

And besides, 'affix bayonets' sounds like something a british officer would say during the Boer Wars before sipping tea.

-cgmckenzie