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That's right.

A roll of 1 to hit is an automatic fail because the rule on p.17 says so. It isn't a general rule of the game.

Your friend is a dbag.

So is anyone who tries to say Dreadknights can ride in Stormravens.

IdentifyZero wrote:Your friend is a dbag.

So is anyone who tries to say Dreadknights can ride in Stormravens.

Why, because he found something interesting in his new rulebook that he didn't quite understand? Because he plays Grey Knights? Considering how long he's been playing necrons for, I'd give him a certain amount of leway with the whole bandwagoning thing. I've said he never even tried to use it, and when did I give the impression that he was like that? Don't insult people when you don't have all the info please. From the little I've read, it was a genuine concern for when we're testing out new lists.

CoI wrote:

IdentifyZero wrote:Your friend is a dbag.

So is anyone who tries to say Dreadknights can ride in Stormravens.

Why, because he found something interesting in his new rulebook that he didn't quite understand? Because he plays Grey Knights? Considering how long he's been playing necrons for, I'd give him a certain amount of leway with the whole bandwagoning thing. I've said he never even tried to use it, and when did I give the impression that he was like that? Don't insult people when you don't have all the info please. From the little I've read, it was a genuine concern for when we're testing out new lists.

The only people who would believe that to be true either:

A) Have a poor grasp of English.
B) Wish to exploit an obvious rules loophole for their benefit.

Sounds like your friend is one of those guys who probably tries his best to exploit rules and is enabled to do so, by friends like yourself who defend the behavior.

Anyone with a slight bit of common sense could figure out a dreadknight does not get to ride in a Stormraven just because a teleporter makes it jump infantry.

... When was the dreadknight even brought up? Seriously, I never mentioned it. This topic is about the 1+ armour save and AP.

I will side with the rule of no save can be better than a 2+... so ap 2 weapons still ignore armor.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Sothas wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

CoI wrote:I was told by one of my friends who play grey knights that they can get a 1+ armour save. Now while a 1 is always a failure, does that mean that they always get a save unless its AP1 or just ignores armour? This might come up soon so I'd like a ruling before I play him. Thoughts?

I'm guessing your friend is one of the numerous 8 year olds who picked up the GK Codex and said "I've got da best army evers!! S14 Dreadknights that can be transported by Stormravens! Everyone's I10!"

Dreadknights can't be str14? But it doubles their str!!!!! And DKs can totally ride in SRs, they probably pilot them because they're so L337!!!

/sarcasm off

Just sayin', S6x2=12...

Just sayin', S6+hammerhandx2=14... not that you can get above 10 or anything.

Sothas wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Sothas wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

CoI wrote:I was told by one of my friends who play grey knights that they can get a 1+ armour save. Now while a 1 is always a failure, does that mean that they always get a save unless its AP1 or just ignores armour? This might come up soon so I'd like a ruling before I play him. Thoughts?

I'm guessing your friend is one of the numerous 8 year olds who picked up the GK Codex and said "I've got da best army evers!! S14 Dreadknights that can be transported by Stormravens! Everyone's I10!"

Dreadknights can't be str14? But it doubles their str!!!!! And DKs can totally ride in SRs, they probably pilot them because they're so L337!!!

/sarcasm off

Just sayin', S6x2=12...

Just sayin', S6+hammerhandx2=14... not that you can get above 10 or anything.

Wow, didn't think DKs had Hammerhand. Anyway, 2x hammerhand would leave it at S16.

You can't join the orange money with the GK

They only can be together with a warband, but imagine power armour warrior acoylte with +1 save, they are basicly cheap termis lol.

If you join a independent character, I actully think their armour does increase by 1 but that only means AP1 can ignore the armour, AP 2 can't

It sound reasonable otherwise there will be no point for that rule. Unless someone can quote from the rulebook that you can't have 1+ armour.

Scott-S6 wrote:

The Acolyte wrote: ones always fail

There is no one=autofail rule in 40K.

Most things fail on a one because the rule specifically says so - e.g. the to-hit table has no 1+ section.

Lots of things can succeed on a one - e.g. armour pen rolls, characteristic tests, etc.


Armour cannot be improved past 2+.

Kilkrazy wrote:That's right.

A roll of 1 to hit is an automatic fail because the rule on p.17 says so. It isn't a general rule of the game.

See Scott a roll of one for a save is a fail. Certain things are always pass/fail regardless of modifiers. Such as rolled when you test leadership. You pass regardless of modfiers.

Marthike wrote: Unless someone can quote from the rulebook that you can't have 1+ armour.

Maximum Save, Page 24

Oddly enough....

The Acolyte wrote:See Scott a roll of one for a save is a fail.

Yes, but there are lots of things where that is not the case. There is no default rule of one=autofail in 40K.

Scott-S6 wrote:

The Acolyte wrote:See Scott a roll of one for a save is a fail.

Yes, but there are lots of things where that is not the case. There is no default rule of one=autofail in 40K.

Oh I realise what your saying. I know that some things pass on a roll of one, I mean that its default that all saves fail on a 1

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Marthike wrote: Unless someone can quote from the rulebook that you can't have 1+ armour.

Maximum Save, Page 24

Oddly enough....

I knew the book said that there was a cap on the best save you could get, if you auto pass a save unless the weapon is AP1 some armies would have allot of trouble even hurting them.

The Acolyte wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:

The Acolyte wrote:See Scott a roll of one for a save is a fail.

Yes, but there are lots of things where that is not the case. There is no default rule of one=autofail in 40K.

Oh I realise what your saying. I know that some things pass on a roll of one, I mean that its default that all saves fail on a 1

I spelled that out because there have been a bunch of threads lately where people assumed that 1= autofail (e.g. S10 hitting an AV10 vehicle fails on a one.... no.)

The BRB is belt and braces on the subject of saves. It spells out that saves can't be better than 2+ and that a roll of a 1 always fails.

Scott-S6 wrote:

The Acolyte wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:

The Acolyte wrote:See Scott a roll of one for a save is a fail.

Yes, but there are lots of things where that is not the case. There is no default rule of one=autofail in 40K.

Oh I realise what your saying. I know that some things pass on a roll of one, I mean that its default that all saves fail on a 1

I spelled that out because there have been a bunch of threads lately where people assumed that 1= autofail (e.g. S10 hitting an AV10 vehicle fails on a one.... no.)

The BRB is belt and braces on the subject of saves. It spells out that saves can't be better than 2+ and that a roll of a 1 always fails.

Alas, I miss snake eyes being the only way to kill a terminator.