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Currently I play nothing, since there is no group the plays anything besides AD&D unless I go to Dallas or San Antonio. I used to DM a lot of 3e/3.5 and I'm actively looking for a group that plays it. Preferably a group that runs 3.5 and the Eberron campaign setting, though I'm not going t hold my breath for it. A couple of buddies of mine showed me Pathfinder, I liked what I saw (updated 3.5, more or less) and I'd love to give it a go as a player (something I've done for all of 3 sessions since 2002) as I'm utterly burned out on DMing. The monthly adventure paths you can subscribe to are also a definite plus, and the current horror one has peaked my interest. But again, anything being lose to local is all AD&D.

4e, I tried once and I really didn't care for it. To explain, it came out while I was in tech school and having nothing else better to do (other than study and PT) I grabbed it from the FLGS down the road to see what the fuss was about. Since my AFSC's school is ~6 months long, me and 3 others had time to get a nice little campaign in based off of the adventure path WotC came out with for 4e. The general consensus was underwhelming. The 2 veteran players still preferred 3.5 and the new convert didn't much care for it either. I personally didn't care for the new rule set up, though if you want specifics I'd point out this was almost three years ago and only remember not liking it. Maybe we were to entrenched in 3.5 or something, I dunno. Or maybe the fact the party got TPK'd on the 6th session....


Edit: shouldn't type while sleepy.

I played 3 and 3.5 for about 10 years, and made the switch to Pathfinder when it came out.

Having said that, I have switched to GURPS for my latest campaign and its probably now my favorite system, i suggest you try it!

Oh and yes, I am a 4th edition D&D hater I'm afraid, thank the dice lords for Paizo and Pathfinder

What I enjoy is that I've been around long enough that I've heard these exact same arguments made every time a new edition was released.

I played 2nd and 2.5 for about 10 years.

Having said that, I have switched to GURPS for my latest campaign and its probably now my favorite system, i suggest you try it!

Oh and yes, I am a 3/3.5 edition D&D hater I'm afraid

And of course the future:

I played 4 and 4.5 for about 10 years, and made the switch to Pathfinder 2.0 when it came out.

Having said that, I have switched to GURPS (yes, GURPS will always exist) for my latest campaign and its probably now my favorite system, i suggest you try it!

Oh and yes, I am a 5th edition D&D hater I'm afraid, thank the dice lords for Paizo and Pathfinder 2.0

lol. Very true, Ahtman!

I'm running a AD&D 2E game.

Ahtman wrote: Link

Wow, I'm having trouble believing that's the production paintjob. It does say "master," I guess.


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I have loved the visual design of that character since I first got my mits on Beta and long to play a cleric of Sarenrae again some day. The pantheon is one of my favorite aspects of the Pathfinder setting. I find it suitably elemental. It necessarily lacks, however, the fantasy deities who most fascinate me.

The 'iconic' class art is one my favorite things about Pathfinder. It gets a little to busy on occasion but overall great designs and art.

@Ahtman,

While I agree people like that are out there that hate for the sake of hating and can't cope with change, I stand by my 4th edition D&D "hate". I say "hate" but as far as I'm concerned, all power to Wizards for going with it, I'm just not interested in it. I played it for a few months and it is not, to me, a pen & paper role-playing game that I enjoy.

Sorry, I felt I had to reply there, as you seemed to be viewing me as an idiot/troll.

No hate towards you by the way, just throwing in my 2 cents, and I'll always try and get people to try out the GURPS system, a very versatile system if you take a bit of time to get to grips with it.

I understand and pretty well agree with your position, TYwinLannister -- except to say that I recognize that 4E is a great set of rules (especially for the DM). But without a group that's interested in playing it, I've had no interest in reading the books. It's not one of those games that I can get into even though I'm not playing and may never play it.

The encounter building rules in 4th edition D&D are really good, i remember how quick it was to build encounters using the XP system.

The system as a whole is incredibly balanced and I have great respect for the authors and games designers, and would never put anyone down for playing it lol.

4th is a fantastic rules system, no doubt about it, but for me there's something it doesn't deliver, it just never felt right for me is all.

Its a pain that you can't get your group interested in playing, do you still role-play with other systems, or is the group a non-roleplay group?

So long as its policed well 3.5 is an excellent system. The trouble is too many add ons, and too many peiople think they have a 'right' to them, but above that its pointless carpet baning 'splatbook' feats spells and character classes when some of the most broken stuff is straight out of Players Handbook, often because of a direct reinteration of something in 1st edition AD&D.

The only D&D books I have are the 1st edition ones.

I like ridiculously detailed tables in the DMG - what are the chances that you contracted a disease from the prostitute you had to eat when rations ran low? See, I bet 4th ed can't tell you that...

TYwinLannister wrote:@Ahtman,

While I agree people like that are out there that hate for the sake of hating and can't cope with change, I stand by my 4th edition D&D "hate". I say "hate" but as far as I'm concerned, all power to Wizards for going with it, I'm just not interested in it. I played it for a few months and it is not, to me, a pen & paper role-playing game that I enjoy.

Sorry, I felt I had to reply there, as you seemed to be viewing me as an idiot/troll.

Not at all, just saying that much like the events of Battlestar Galactica, this is happened before and will happen again. There are a lot of systems out there and not everyone will like all of them but variety is a good thing.

Redbeard wrote:The only D&D books I have are the 1st edition ones.

I like ridiculously detailed tables in the DMG - what are the chances that you contracted a disease from the prostitute you had to eat when rations ran low? See, I bet 4th ed can't tell you that...

The book can't but your DM can. Which is a better option. As much as I loved the random tables in the original books, sometimes you want your campaign to make a little sense and have a good flow.

Orlanth wrote:So long as its policed well 3.5 is an excellent system. The trouble is too many add ons, and too many peiople think they have a 'right' to them, but above that its pointless carpet baning 'splatbook' feats spells and character classes when some of the most broken stuff is straight out of Players Handbook, often because of a direct reinteration of something in 1st edition AD&D.

Starting to see this in 4E as well. Right now having an issue with one of the other players who insists that if it was written under the D&D title it should be legal. In the Red Box there is a Wizard At-Will that is better than most Encounter powers but it is only 'legal' in the Red Box as it is just pre-gen characters and a choose your own adventure style story to introduce new players to the rules; it wasn't meant to creep outside that little story. I just know he is going to take that character (it is LFR) to a con and someone will tell him he can't use it and fits will be thrown.

For those familiar with 4E it is an At-Will Ranged 10 Burst 1 that does 1d6 + INT and slows. The Slow might be an effect actually so you may not even need to hit with it and since it is an arcane wizard power you can enlarge it. So you can do a Ranged 10 Burst 2 pwer that slows and does some damage At-Will.

Ahtman wrote:Starting to see this in 4E as well. Right now having an issue with one of the other players who insists that if it was written under the D&D title it should be legal.

This is actually the approach that Wizards takes. Do you use their online product? It incorporates both errata, faqs and updates from all of their material into the online character builder and compendium. It balances out a lot of the power creep by updating things that are broken and fixing them.

In the Red Box there is a Wizard At-Will that is better than most Encounter powers but it is only 'legal' in the Red Box as it is just pre-gen characters and a choose your own adventure style story to introduce new players to the rules; it wasn't meant to creep outside that little story.

Essentials is meant to be used with the rest of D&D.

For those familiar with 4E it is an At-Will Ranged 10 Burst 1 that does 1d6 + INT and slows. The Slow might be an effect actually so you may not even need to hit with it and since it is an arcane wizard power you can enlarge it. So you can do a Ranged 10 Burst 2 pwer that slows and does some damage At-Will.

Are you talking about Freezing Burst in HoFL? It's 1d6+int and slide 1. Not as awesome as slow. Enlarging wizard spells is a bit down the line. Anyways, it is low damage and allows slide shenanigans for an at-will. That's what Controllers are for.

It is good, but there are better at-wills for Wizards. Heck, base Thunderwave is enlargeable twice and has a big push, so does Beguiling Strands and it is ally friendly. Those are both base spells from PHB.

I have access to the official Character Builder and this power is not listed there. It is called Stone Blood and it is in the Red Box. You can probably google it. Apparently there were two other Wizard powers that didn't make the transition from Red Box to HotFL as well. Still, it was in the Red Box so to him that means he should be allowed to take it, it doesn't matter if LFR rules do not allow the Red Box stuff.

Essentials is meant to be used with the rest of D&D.

I didn't claim it wasn't. The Red Box has is Essentials beta and had some things that don't appear in Essentials; it wasn't designed to be an expanded project. It is a quick way to introduce new players to D&D, not the main Rulebook or Players guide for 4E or Essentials.

My bad, I misinterpreted your statements.

I accept my flogging.

Red box isn't 4e, it's basically 2e but slightly different, (I know ihave it)

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:Red box isn't 4e, it's basically 2e but slightly different, (I know ihave it)

They remade it iirc

Pathfinder, all the way.

Mordoskul wrote:Pathfinder, all the way.

This thread is about D&D, not other games.

Ahtman wrote:

Mordoskul wrote:Pathfinder, all the way.

This thread is about D&D, not other games.

What is Pathfinder but a better version of 3.5 Edition D'n'D?

I have never played pathfinder and alot of people were saying theres a difference so I decided to add it as an option

Wardragoon wrote:I have never played pathfinder and alot of people were saying theres a difference so I decided to add it as an option

I was just joking with you. Should I have used the winking emoticon instead?

....heh missed the smiley XD

I have played D&D since 81, and there is still a Rule from 1st ED
Rule 0: The GM can do anything he wants in his game.
Most players forget this.

The other thing is also what most "Old School" forget about 4th is attitude
DM's
1st Edition: DM=CE, and the players are Fodder
2nd Edition: DM=LE and still like to terrify his players.
3.0/3.5 Edition: DM=N and is just the storyteller
4th Edition: DM=The 6th Player, Everyone is supposed to work together to make the Game Better

The problem I have seen in the old attitudes. I have allays been a Team Player, 3.0/3.5/Pathfinder make it possible, but does not Encourage it other than saying you should. In 4th it is supported by Game Mechanics.
4th: I [The Rouge] will move up the Ork Warboss, hit him with Combat Advantage, Granted by my by the Cleric's Spell and Slide him next to the Fighter so he can beat on him while the Wizard prevents his minions from helping him.

I have one Player/DM [has played since 78] who cannot get this, He can't play a Warlord at all because he still thinks of #1: Himself. He is amazed when I play one. He also plays his Paladin like a Striker, He barrels into the Boss Monster bypassing the Minions to let the others deal with. As a DM he has trouble with the Party if they form a Line and Fight using a Shield Wall with everyone Supporting Each other.

Also when it comes to organizing a campaign and I utter the Phrase “What do you want out of the Game?” he grimaces and says “What this once more”!

This goes back to an old saying I came up with.
-The System Is All Important!
-The System is Unimportant!

What this means is that for some groups play style 4th edition was a gift from the Gaming Gods and for others it came from the Devil.

I am VERY Pro 4E, but I do not ever tell anyone there gaming systems “Sucks”. I say I don’t care for it and I don’t like it and all I ever ask is to do the same to me.

I know I have rambled a lot here, but you should see the stuff I deleted

Thank you for you time
Anpu42
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Nicely said, Anpu42.

It cannot be emphasized enough that 3E was the players' Bill of Rights.

Ahtman wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:I have never played pathfinder and alot of people were saying theres a difference so I decided to add it as an option

I was just joking with you. Should I have used the winking emoticon instead?

I remember a few months ago I took these same comments wrong as well Wardragoon. I kept calling pathfinder D&D and Ahtman tried to learn me!

At least we have all moved on to making jokes about the dislike of one system or another.

Anyways you all should switch to Gurps. It is a way better system for D&D.