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Just to be clear, I don't know that this is actually the beginning of a line of prepainted plastics. It may very well just be these four.


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The early FAQ answer is:
The exact list of minis will be announced soon.
And the later one is:
This is a fixed set containing the four miniatures listed above.

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Is it possible they're 3D prints? I understand that solves a lot of the color bleed issues present in pressure molds.
   
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Kilkrazy wrote:You mean in the sense of having had the colours enhanced?

I don't see why it would be necessary. There are bright coloured paints.

The amount of detail on the first one looks a bit too good for bulk hand-painting.


I mean that the sample minis, the ones they use for photographing for advertisements, posters, packaging, etc., are always better looking models than what ends up mass produced. The lines on the samples are cleaner, the colors are usually a bit brighter, things like that.
It's akin to the fiasco GW had a while back with the terrain piece. All of the photos showed crisp, clean lines bit the product turned out to be a big plastic blob.

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These pictures definitely aren't of real figs. Look at the bottom edges of the bases. These are high polygon digital models. With a more detailed texture, they would probably pass for decent video game characters.

EDIT: the first figure looks completely real. The fighter is questionable to me, but the last two are definitely digital.

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Guildsman wrote:These pictures definitely aren't of real figs. Look at the bottom edges of the bases. These are high polygon digital models.

I put the base edges (along with the piece cut out of the side of the fighter's base) down to someone cutting out the background to tweak the pictures, myself.

 
   
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Kalamadea wrote:I'm pretty sure these are 3D digital renders, looks quite similar to what wizkids uses for their promos. I would expect the same differance in quality from digital prototype to actual figure as you get with any of the heroclix models.

Had a second look at the pic and I agree.

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Absolutely horrible.

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DeathGod wrote:Absolutely horrible.

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I think it's a little early to pass judgement when we have yet to see actual product. As for pre-paints, the quality dramatically varies from item to item. Heroscape, as a case in point, had some excellent runs with dynamic sculpts and detailed painting that I'd consider at least as good as the average RPGer's attempt but they also had some butt-ugly sculpts that looked like blobs that a kindergartener took fingerpaints to.

If the modelling detail is at least as good as what's shown, a prime and repaint would solve any poor paint jobs. However, if the modelling and the paint job are comparable, I'd say "good job!", slap some wash on them and pass them out to my DnD group. The "freehand" on the cleric's cloak is pretty amazing for a prepaint and I'd love to see them in person.

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I thought the same thing about the wizard having the whole Sean Connery thing going on. It would be interesting to watch him try to cast spells on Alex Trebek.
   
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This will be a collectible (randomized booster) product.









Cartoony.

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Paizo FAQ monkeys wrote:Pathfinder Battles Q&A:

Q: How will Pathfinder Battles fantasy miniatures be packaged?
A: Pathfinder Battles fantasy miniatures will be available in a variety of formats. The first release, Heroes & Monsters, will come in a "brick" of 19 blind standard booster packs, with 16 packs including one Medium or 2 Small figures, and 3 large packs featuring 1 Large monster each. Duplication of figures within a sealed brick has been held to a minimum, so purchasers should get no to very few duplicate figures in a brick (as with any randomized product, collation is not guaranteed). Buyers who purchase factory-sealed cases (4 bricks) should get a nearly complete set of figures.

Heroes & Monsters is scheduled for a December release. Future Pathfinder Battles sets, including June's Rise of the Runelords, will use a multi-figure blind booster format.

Additionally, WizKids plans to release additional Pathfinder Battles Encounter Packs, which will feature visible non-random assortments of selected repainted or resculpted figures from the full sets. Product details for these later sets will be released shortly.

Q: Why prepainted plastic miniatures in randomized packs?
A: Prepainted plastic miniatures are expensive to make. Sculpting and painting are costly, and making molds for plastic figures is costlier still. To make all these costs work, you need to spread them out over a large number of miniatures. If these figures were released individually, some would sell better than others, and some--or even many--of them would lose money. Randomizing the miniatures ensures that you sell predictable quantities of each figure, and it also allows you to price them reasonably without losing your shirt. Another benefit of averaging out costs over a large number of figures is that it allows you to spend more money on some miniatures--you can make them larger or more detailed, or add more complicated (and thus more expensive) paint operations than you could otherwise justify. In short, selling more of the common minis allows you to spend more money on the rarer figures.

Randomized miniatures also allow you to provide more variety. Not only can you introduce more figures at once, but the fact that you make make some of them rarer than others means you can produce plenty of the figures that everyone needs, like goblins or skeletons, and fewer of the figures that have narrower appeal, like strange monsters or iconic figures.

Another factor to think about is the brick-and-mortar retailer. It's much easier for a retailer to stock single booster packs than individual packaged minis. Our first set, Heroes & Monsters, contains 40 miniatures. Selling them individually would require a lot of retailer effort to keep them all in stock--and it would also require a lot of space to display those miniatures. And if next year's 60-figure Rise of the Runelords set were released as individual minis, the retailer would then have to track and display 100 individual items. As the line continued, individual minis would soon become impossible for most retailers to keep up with. Because randomized miniatures are distributed to retailers by the case, there's usually only one item for them to order for each set, so it's easy to maintain stock. And since it doesn't take much space to display a handful of booster packs, retailers can easily continue to stock and display the entire line of miniatures as long as th ey're available.

Retailers who have a greater inclination toward managing more complicated inventories, or who have more space to display miniatures, will almost certainly break open random boxes to sell singles, groups of individual figures they can tailor to their customers' needs, and even complete sets.

A lot of thought has been done on the topic of the best way to produce prepainted plastic miniatures, and the random packaging method, supplemented with the occasional small boxed set of non-random figures, has proven to be the most successful. Paizo is committed to working with WizKids to ensure that customers will be able to purchase the miniatures they want at a fair price.

Q: How often will Pathfinder Battles sets release?
A: The first set, Heroes & Monsters, will release in December 2011. The second set, Rise of the Runelords, will release in June 2012 to commemorate the fifth anniversary of the very first Pathfinder Adventure Path. Additional Pathfinder Battles Encounter Packs will appear between these two large releases. More full sets and Encounter Packs will follow throughout 2012 and beyond.

Q: How many figures will be in each Pathfinder Battles release?
A: The first set, Heroes & Monsters, contains 40 miniatures. Retailers who order one case (four "bricks") will have the opportunity to purchase the mighty Black Dragon, a special promotional miniature that towers over other figures in the set and sits on a 3-inch base. The Rise of the Runelords set, scheduled for a June 2012 release, contains 60 figures in the standard set, with promotional figures to be announced in the future. Pathfinder Battles Encounter Packs generally will include 6 figures each.

Q: Will Pathfinder Battles fantasy miniatures be available as part of a Paizo subscription?
A: Pathfinder Battles fantasy miniatures are produced by WizKids under license from Paizo, and are not currently part of any Paizo subscription. That said, Paizo understands that many of its customers would appreciate a way to subscribe to these miniatures, and is currently exploring options to offer a subscription or similar service.

Q: How does this affect the Pathfinder Miniatures line from Reaper Miniatures?
A: Reaper Miniatures has been producing unpainted metal Pathfinder Miniatures since Fall 2009, and they will continue to do so. Paizo is committed to producing the finest-quality miniatures for gamers of all tastes, whether they prefer prepainted plastic or unpainted metal.

Q: Do these miniatures use Reaper's sculpts?
A: These miniatures use all-new sculpts by WizKids.

   
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Wizkids is doing ANOTHER CMG? Were the first few failed ones not enough to prove that collectable just isn't a viable way to do miniatures?

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I can guarantee they will not look that neatly done IRL.
   
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Why do they look like they have a color scheme from a 90's computer game. I think even cmg's are a little past the one tone color scheme. Boring even for prepainted.

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These are awful.

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Respectfully, wargamers are not the target audience. Casual gamers, RPG gamers, and kids are the target. Let's be honest, GW wishes they could get sales results like WK gets. Captain America sold out 2 weeks prior to the release date of the actual product. Alliance had to stop taking orders 13 weeks prior to release. Heroclix are a license to print money. http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2011/05/20/wizkids-announces-sell-out-of-marvel-heroclix-captain-america/

But these aren't Heroclix you say, these are crappy fantasy cartoony figures!

Have you ever seen early Mage Knight figures? They looked like vomit colored with melted crayons, and they sold by the truck load.

The Pathfinder figures are much nicer, even in this concept stage, than pretty much anything put out for Mage Knight.

And the news about them comes out at a time when most RPG folk are still smarting from the loss of the WotC D&D prepainted line.

Sure, some folk have hours to prepare the minis for each game and lovingly shade and dry brush each kobold. The overwhelming majority find it hard enough to get an adventure ready (While still painting your darn Blood Angel Army...wait, that's me...) so prepainteds are a godsend. Add to that the non-random nature of the between sets releases, and I'd be shocked if these did not make Paizo and WizKids dump trucks full of money.

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These do not excite me. More so, since I know that the actual product NEVER looks as good as the stuff they send out for their propagand... err... advertisements.

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I'm not interested in them myself (I only paint, so prepainted is self-defeating) but they seem pretty nice for prepainted minis.

The troll thing looks like he'd look way better after a nice wash/quick highlight. The frost giant/rat too.
   
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I don't really like the monsters at all. I like it even less that they are collectible. I got out of D&D minis and these don't give me a reason to, pretty much, get back into it.

   
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I'm a bit too old to jump on that boat. I'm not the biggest fan of the cartoony colors and looks but the biggest reason is the 2000+ D&D minis I've got sitting in the basement currently unused.

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Their competition is D&D Miniatures; last I checked that line was doing really well. With worse quality what chance do these miniatures have?
   
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Absolutionis wrote:Their competition is D&D Miniatures; last I checked that line was doing really well. With worse quality what chance do these miniatures have?


I'd say that is an understatement. They cancelled the line a couple months back so there really isn't any competition from it.
   
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Yeah, can't tell if Absolutionis is being sarcastic or what.

For me, this release comes down to having little practical value for roleplaying because it's collectible. I've seen how that (doesn't) work for me and that's why I stopped buying D&D minis long ago.

So that leaves aesthetic concerns: the heroes looked good to me but the monsters are kind of comical to my eyes.

   
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Manchu wrote:Yeah, can't tell if Absolutionis is being sarcastic or what.

For me, this release comes down to having little practical value for roleplaying because it's collectible. I've seen how that (doesn't) work for me and that's why I stopped buying D&D minis long ago.

So that leaves aesthetic concerns: the heroes looked good to me but the monsters are kind of comical to my eyes.


I totally and completely missed the tone and see what you mean.

D&D minis was a great idea at a great time at least for me. It came out at the end of my 40k interest as it waned with the end of 40k 3rd edition (burned out on playing it as did most of my group) and coincided with a change in my free time (as in I had almost none available to paint). In the 5 years or so that I was actively buying/collecting, I got more than 10x the number of minis I would have gotten the chance to paint the traditional way. After about the first 4 or 5 sets, I stopped chasing boosters and rares and just went with buying complete sets as I didn't have the time to get to the FLGS to trade on game night regularly (playing weekly was tough to schedule even). I don't regret those purchases as I have a very wide variety of minis should I ever start up a fantasy campaign again. I suppose if I didn't have them, I'd be more interested but still a bit discouraged by the cartoony look.
   
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On the plus side, these make GW's Finecast quality and pricing seem reasonable in comparison! It's win-win time.

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@warboss: Sounds like you were actually plating the game, which is a different story altogether. I just used them for games of 3.X and that more or less worked but I didn't like them as minis.

I had a couple hundred, I guess. But what does it matter if you're playing an encounter with 30 orcs and in a box of a few hundred minis you still don't have thirty orcs. Or, for example, one freaking mindflayer. I ended up proxying things to the point where I didn't care what the mini was as long as the size category was correct. Did not make me feel good about spending all that bread, you know.


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Agamemnon2 wrote:On the plus side, these make GW's Finecast quality and pricing seem reasonable in comparison! It's win-win time.
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Manchu wrote:@warboss: Sounds like you were actually plating the game, which is a different story altogether. I just used them for games of 3.X and that more or less worked but I didn't like them as minis.


I did both. Initially, I'd show up at the D&D minis night at the FLGS just looking to trade for the first hour of the night. After a week or two, I got the feel of the minis game (since it was 3.5 lite) and started playing. I'm curious to see if Pathfinder will go the same route and eventually come up with a minis game for them two. I'd suspect that would dependent on how well they sell.

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