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iproxtaco wrote:Don't invite the Tau fanbois to this argument Coa. We may get more gak like the Water Caste being the only force able to take Cadia. Aren't I a hypocrite?

So very true


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Raulmichile wrote:I think a billion recruits every year ifor a sigle words a bit exaggerated but upon reading this thread I did some fast math and these are the results:

-1 million worlds
-Avg. population (actual numbers may vary a lot) 1,000,000,000 per planet (1/6 of actual Earth's population)
-45% of population are men
-10% of such men able to be drafted

You get the staggering number of: 45,000,000,000 men!!!

Now divided in regiments of roughly 2,000 men each (just a number, a generalization) you get the amazing number of: 22,500,000,000 regiments. Way more numerous than 50 million.

Even with half of the population used in my calculations the numbers are just inveleibeable high.

With this figures I'm convinced that Tau Empire's existence is an act of pure luck or a a consequence of monumental logisitcal problem in the Imperium. Heck, you don't even need space marines!!!

That seems right.... Now to arm, train, feed and transport all of them....
Now if we count that IG Regiment have 6 - 12.000 Guardsman, we get: 135.000.000.000.000 to 270.000.000.000.000 Guardsman.
That's about 135.000.000 to 270.000.000 Guardsman on one Space Marine.
So you really don't need Space Marines that much...

In the BRB it says there are millions of guardsman for every space marine. Roughly 1 million space marines means trillions of guardsman. Since Regimental size can vary wildly from a few hundred to several hundred thousand (maybe even millions), there are definitely more than 50 million regiments.

I'm sure that thing about millions of guardsman for every space marine includes local PDF though. Considering the members of the PDF could potentially be "promoted" into the Imperial Guard.

ObviousTroll wrote:In the BRB it says there are millions of guardsman for every space marine. Roughly 1 million space marines means trillions of guardsman. Since Regimental size can vary wildly from a few hundred to several hundred thousand (maybe even millions), there are definitely more than 50 million regiments.

I'm sure that thing about millions of guardsman for every space marine includes local PDF though. Considering the members of the PDF could potentially be "promoted" into the Imperial Guard.

Why is that? PDF aren't Guard any more than gue'vesa are fire warriors.

Raulmichile wrote:I think a billion recruits every year ifor a sigle words a bit exaggerated but upon reading this thread I did some fast math and these are the results:

-1 million worlds
-Avg. population (actual numbers may vary a lot) 1,000,000,000 per planet (1/6 of actual Earth's population)
-45% of population are men
-10% of such men able to be drafted

You get the staggering number of: 45,000,000,000 men!!!

Now divided in regiments of roughly 2,000 men each (just a number, a generalization) you get the amazing number of: 22,500,000,000 regiments. Way more numerous than 50 million.

Even with half of the population used in my calculations the numbers are just inveleibeable high.

With this figures I'm convinced that Tau Empire's existence is an act of pure luck or a a consequence of monumental logisitcal problem in the Imperium. Heck, you don't even need space marines!!!

And that is what this thread is really all about.

Melissia wrote:

ObviousTroll wrote:In the BRB it says there are millions of guardsman for every space marine. Roughly 1 million space marines means trillions of guardsman. Since Regimental size can vary wildly from a few hundred to several hundred thousand (maybe even millions), there are definitely more than 50 million regiments.

I'm sure that thing about millions of guardsman for every space marine includes local PDF though. Considering the members of the PDF could potentially be "promoted" into the Imperial Guard.

Why is that? PDF aren't Guard any more than gue'vesa are fire warriors.

Doesn't gu'vesa apply to non-Tau auxillaries?

Yes, I realize that it isn't a perfect analogy, but they're still not fire warriors.

Two separate sub-organizations within the same overall military organization.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Melissia wrote:

ObviousTroll wrote:In the BRB it says there are millions of guardsman for every space marine. Roughly 1 million space marines means trillions of guardsman. Since Regimental size can vary wildly from a few hundred to several hundred thousand (maybe even millions), there are definitely more than 50 million regiments.

I'm sure that thing about millions of guardsman for every space marine includes local PDF though. Considering the members of the PDF could potentially be "promoted" into the Imperial Guard.

Why is that? PDF aren't Guard any more than gue'vesa are fire warriors.

Doesn't gu'vesa apply to non-Tau auxillaries?

It applies specifically to human auxiliaries.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Raulmichile wrote: Heck, you don't even need space marines!!!

And that is what this thread is really all about.

oh really?

wasn't the op about IG regiments??

ObviousTroll wrote:In the BRB it says there are millions of guardsman for every space marine. Roughly 1 million space marines means trillions of guardsman. Since Regimental size can vary wildly from a few hundred to several hundred thousand (maybe even millions), there are definitely more than 50 million regiments.

I'm sure that thing about millions of guardsman for every space marine includes local PDF though. Considering the members of the PDF could potentially be "promoted" into the Imperial Guard.

IG isn't pdf since pdf becomes IG if pdf units are contributed as a tithe. Still the recrutement of any planet would be first and foremost the planetary defense force and only secondary the tithe in IG and maybe more IG to react to regional threats.

IG regiments had examples in 3rd and 4th ed IG codices:

(3rd ed page 40 ) organization:
- platoon = ~400 humans/abhumans
- company = ~2500 humans/abhumans
- regiment = ~15000 humans/abhumans
maximum size used. basically 2-6 squads > 2-6 platoons> 6 companies > 1 regiment

(3rd ed page 10 ) letter back home:
- 2 weeks to form a new regiment
- 1 week until the fleet arrives
- 2 days to ferry the new regiment into orbit, 200 per hour
- training on board, weapons issued from different worlds but comaptible
- 2 months transfer in space
- 2 days to deploy on the ground
- replacement of troops after 10 years with new ones

surely censored and compliant to the imperial creed. But training in transfer seems to be usual and lasguns from different contributers but still identical in function too.

(3rd ed page 6 ) oath of a new planetary governor:
- swears to contribute 10% of his forces to the imperial crusades and as many as neccessary against external conflicts.
- gurantees his contribution will not be found lacking in equipment or training...

(3rd ed page 31 ) departemento munitorum++chose thy battlezone++military formations and size++
- chart consisting of:
- type of formation , from a crusade down to staff personnel
- formation size, from army down to squad
- warzone, anything from cityfight to high gravity covered

(4th ed page10/11 ) 8th cadia as example in minis shown:

- 4000 = 12 companies there, said as "50% of the regiment".
- so 8000 seems a good guess.

Thus 5-20000 should be a reasonable size. IMO the idea of 5th ed with up to 120000 just makes a regiment too unwieldy.

( 4th ed page 4 ) great crusade era:

- regiments sizes had to fit into imperial cruisers to keep regiments together and prevent stranded elements.
- mentioned a 3000 strong force as usual size to fit in many different classes of cruisers.
- the capacity of the imperial navy is important enough, but there are pure army transports too.

(4th ed page 8 ) millions of worlds forming the imperium of man:
- millions, not 1 million.

in 5th ed, IG moves on ....
( BRB 5th page 138 )
- IG consiting of billions ( mrd ) of soldiers in millions of regiments.
- daily recrutement in millions, size of the IG unknown.
- millions of IG for each space marine
- almost every world contributes
- regiments of hundreds up to tens of thousands

example of tithes on a map:
- fortress world , garrison of 100 regiments ( 4x )
- tithe of 50.000.000 ( 11x )
- tithe of 10.000.000 ( 27x )
do fortress worlds pay a tithe at all?
in summary this would provide 820.000.000 as a yearly tithe....at minimum.

There are also examples like antecanis ( brb page 148 ) who pay mostly in workers and IN-crew.
Should raise the question if the IG is one of several choices the administratum has to request as a tithe or if the IG is commonly contributed to ( except mechanicum worlds ). ?

< 3rd ed had billions of IG from thousands of worlds
< 4th ed had billions of IG from millions of worlds
< 5th ed has billions of IG from a million worlds/ millions of worlds ( indecisive much? )

in common they have: its the Hammer of the Emperor. A hammer swings slowly but deals devastating blows...

The planets have to defend themselves and may provide their best for the IG. Thus any recrutement in the IoM covers both forces and should be seen as always consisting of pdf but not neccessarily a tithe to a war-footing because the "eternal war" setting hits planets without a war on their surface before an invader/rebellion enters the scene. The tithe is paid for in bodies, raw materials and assembled products, since any ressource counts and for each frontline human ten may work to keep him/her fighting.
Thus billions from millions of worlds organized into millions of regiments are enough to defend and still advance/reclaim in crusade after crusade.

But:
- 820.000.000 > at 15.000 > 54.666 regiments per year
- 820.000.000 > at 5.000 > 164.000 regiments per year
Major contributions like GW showed on the map of the BRB aren't enough to form millions of regiments. 40k would need at least multiple times as many tithed bodies from lesser sources to get there. For regiments of 5k it is 5.000.000.000 just to have 1 mio regiments.
More likely than 5k would be 10k, now at 10.000.000.000 possible. Using Gw's sense of numbers of course.

I'd stick with "most planets are unknown, their tithe is unknown, and the IG is nearly unlimited in numbers".

Over 50 million, the guard needs numbers to operate so there are most likely more than 50million, of course some regiments will be larger than others.

1hadhq wrote:
IG isn't pdf since pdf becomes IG if pdf units are contributed as a tithe.

I never said IG is PDF, I said PDF could be counted as part of the Guard because they might be used to pay the tithe.

And it says in the most recent dex that if a regiment is sufficiently mauled and it can't be successfully combined with another one, they become part of the PDF on the planet they were mauled on. IG being demoted to PDF. I guess they swing both ways.

1hadhq wrote:
IG regiments had examples in 3rd and 4th ed IG codices:

(3rd ed page 40 ) organization:
- platoon = ~400 humans/abhumans
- company = ~2500 humans/abhumans
- regiment = ~15000 humans/abhumans
maximum size used. basically 2-6 squads > 2-6 platoons> 6 companies > 1 regiment

(3rd ed page 10 ) letter back home:
- 2 weeks to form a new regiment
- 1 week until the fleet arrives
- 2 days to ferry the new regiment into orbit, 200 per hour
- training on board, weapons issued from different worlds but comaptible
- 2 months transfer in space
- 2 days to deploy on the ground
- replacement of troops after 10 years with new ones

surely censored and compliant to the imperial creed. But training in transfer seems to be usual and lasguns from different contributers but still identical in function too.

(3rd ed page 6 ) oath of a new planetary governor:
- swears to contribute 10% of his forces to the imperial crusades and as many as neccessary against external conflicts.
- gurantees his contribution will not be found lacking in equipment or training...

(3rd ed page 31 ) departemento munitorum++chose thy battlezone++military formations and size++
- chart consisting of:
- type of formation , from a crusade down to staff personnel
- formation size, from army down to squad
- warzone, anything from cityfight to high gravity covered

(4th ed page10/11 ) 8th cadia as example in minis shown:

- 4000 = 12 companies there, said as "50% of the regiment".
- so 8000 seems a good guess.

Thus 5-20000 should be a reasonable size. IMO the idea of 5th ed with up to 120000 just makes a regiment too unwieldy.

( 4th ed page 4 ) great crusade era:

- regiments sizes had to fit into imperial cruisers to keep regiments together and prevent stranded elements.
- mentioned a 3000 strong force as usual size to fit in many different classes of cruisers.
- the capacity of the imperial navy is important enough, but there are pure army transports too.

(4th ed page 8 ) millions of worlds forming the imperium of man:
- millions, not 1 million.

in 5th ed, IG moves on ....
( BRB 5th page 138 )
- IG consiting of billions ( mrd ) of soldiers in millions of regiments.
- daily recrutement in millions, size of the IG unknown.
- millions of IG for each space marine
- almost every world contributes
- regiments of hundreds up to tens of thousands

example of tithes on a map:
- fortress world , garrison of 100 regiments ( 4x )
- tithe of 50.000.000 ( 11x )
- tithe of 10.000.000 ( 27x )
do fortress worlds pay a tithe at all?
in summary this would provide 820.000.000 as a yearly tithe....at minimum.

There are also examples like antecanis ( brb page 148 ) who pay mostly in workers and IN-crew.
Should raise the question if the IG is one of several choices the administratum has to request as a tithe or if the IG is commonly contributed to ( except mechanicum worlds ). ?

< 3rd ed had billions of IG from thousands of worlds
< 4th ed had billions of IG from millions of worlds
< 5th ed has billions of IG from a million worlds/ millions of worlds ( indecisive much? )

in common they have: its the Hammer of the Emperor. A hammer swings slowly but deals devastating blows...

The planets have to defend themselves and may provide their best for the IG. Thus any recrutement in the IoM covers both forces and should be seen as always consisting of pdf but not neccessarily a tithe to a war-footing because the "eternal war" setting hits planets without a war on their surface before an invader/rebellion enters the scene. The tithe is paid for in bodies, raw materials and assembled products, since any ressource counts and for each frontline human ten may work to keep him/her fighting.
Thus billions from millions of worlds organized into millions of regiments are enough to defend and still advance/reclaim in crusade after crusade.

But:
- 820.000.000 > at 15.000 > 54.666 regiments per year
- 820.000.000 > at 5.000 > 164.000 regiments per year
Major contributions like GW showed on the map of the BRB aren't enough to form millions of regiments. 40k would need at least multiple times as many tithed bodies from lesser sources to get there. For regiments of 5k it is 5.000.000.000 just to have 1 mio regiments.
More likely than 5k would be 10k, now at 10.000.000.000 possible. Using Gw's sense of numbers of course.

I'd stick with "most planets are unknown, their tithe is unknown, and the IG is nearly unlimited in numbers".

You have done your homework very well
It's impressive for someone to have this kind of knowledge and patience, I salute you sir.

1hadhq wrote:Thus 5-20000 should be a reasonable size. IMO the idea of 5th ed with up to 120000 just makes a regiment too unwieldy.

It's not only 5th Ed that has these super regiments, they are mentioned in the Black Library stories too. I do not have the numbers but in the Gaunt's Ghosts series they often fight alongside "regiments" that are tens of thoudsands strong, the Tanith being unusually small at it's roughly 3000 soldiers.

I suspect that "regiment" is a convenient term used to describe a new organisation of troops created at the same time. More populous worlds can provide larger regiments but a regiment is not a standard Imperial unit outside of being a convenient way to recognize where they came from and has more to do with internal regimental culture than a practical way of organizing the IG.
A regiment could be anything from what we regard as a regiment today up to an army group with all the attendant auxiliary and supply units. I would not get too concerned over the word.

I am not concerned of the term regiment, but its lazy and unimaginative use when they had a perfect hierarchy before.

Usually a formation has a HQ. Now in 3rd a IG army had a chain of command somehow similar to real life and sizes that stood the test of time. GW moved away from that and mutilated the "regiment" into a unknown entity which has a level still just above a "company".
So 5th ed saw the regiment of 3-20 companies, who consist of 3-6 platoons. ( page 9, IG ).

> 6 platoons a 70 > 420.
> 20 companies a 420 > 8400.

The IG codexes own examples lead again to a size ~ 5-10.000

Levels of command:
- ~100 men
- ~500 men
- ~10.000 men

Now the same in a super-regiment:
- ~100 men
- 6000 men
- 120.000 men

The supersized formation either has too many lower ranks or too many officers.
Giving direct orders to 100 works fine. Ordering 20 or so to move their 500 also. But the gap between 500 and 6000 is to big.
Having to order 200 instead of 20 needs a different culture of orders and the IG got this "trained to follow to the letter" approach in
their actual fluff. Doesn't sound like initiative is welcomed.

added level:

- 100
- 500
- 10000
- 120000

6 "sgt" / 20 "cpt" / 12 "col" / 1 "gen"



In the small fluff blurbs, like:
- "p22,845M41/dimmamak war: 40.000 regiments raised"
- "p27,997M41/#5 gothic sector: 150 regiments raised"
- "p27,997M41/ #1 dentor system: 100 regiments raised"

A hundred or more at a size of thousands adds up to millions raised. Nothing special.

40.000 regiments ? hundreds of millions?

Armageddon: 100 million. ( page 8 )
If a major and wellknown conflict like armageddon is at 100.000.000 , regiments of 10k sum up to 10.000 regiments.
Raising 40.000 regiments should hint on a conflict greater than Armageddon. Funnily its the only entry so far ( iirc ).

Armageddon had ~250 regiments in its campaign dex. Facing off 3.600.000 orks.
100.000.000 IG would just flatten these orks beneath their marching columns....
But it was 250 regiments vs 1200 hordes. Lets consider the 10k per regiment:
2.500.000 IG ( without other IoM forces ) vs 3.600.000 orks.
Do you see the changes?

Millions of IG weren't "epic" enough it seems.

Nice numbers. Demonstrates your point well.


Though personally, I don't mind the 'mutilation' of a regiment size. Given the nature of the Imperium, they can barely standardize the most common weapon in the Imperium, let alone a thing like numbers.


Are the PDF included in that count on Armageddon?

Emperors Faithful wrote:Nice numbers. Demonstrates your point well.


Though personally, I don't mind the 'mutilation' of a regiment size. Given the nature of the Imperium, they can barely standardize the most common weapon in the Imperium, let alone a thing like numbers.

The components of a lasgun are pretty dang standardized. The only difference seems to be in the actual expression of the lasgun.

It's like how the components of most firearms are similar, even if it's a super high-tech G36C versus a STG-44.

And even the expression of a las gun serves a purpose. Shorter carbines for mechanized units, longer units for longer ranged troopers... idk something about Tallarns.

Pretty much in its desired position.

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:I'd go with higher than 50 million - there's so many regiments, even the Administratum supposedly cannot keep track of them all.

Now that's just irresponsible...

It is true, they lose records of planets on a regular basis....
Imperium have in fact several million worlds, but only 1 million is in database. They lost all data about the rest

And who in the Emperor's name voted for less than 100.000 in the entire Imperium? ( I think it was the Tau fans, but I am not sure ).

I'm not sure what you thought i said but i didn't say it wasn't true.
And i hope you're joking about that other point.

I joked for the first, aldo they know to lose planet from time to time ( read 5'th edition rulebook, admkinistratinum part ).
And I am not joking for the second. On this forum, while arguing with one Tau player, he said to me that "Tau Fire Cast outnumber Imperial Guard". I was like .

I can't wait until a new Tau codex comes out and IG players get tabled in fluff and TT!

Will be quite fun to see you hop flavor of the month bandwagons!

With Love,

~Tau Fanboys

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
I can't wait until a new Tau codex comes out and IG players get tabled in fluff and TT!

Will be quite fun to see you hop flavor of the month bandwagons!

With Love,

~Tau Fanboys

We can't wait to, especially when M.W. is doing it.
Just to see how he ruins your race for you.

With Love,

~Servants of the God Emperor

The Fire Warriors are skilled in close quarters combat to the extreme, beating down pathetic humans with the butts of their Railguns. They view the Ethereals as their spiritual liege. This pleases them.

AmIdoingitright?

1hadhq wrote:
- "p22,845M41/dimmamak war: 40.000 regiments raised"

40.000 regiments ? hundreds of millions?

Armageddon: 100 million. ( page 8 )
If a major and wellknown conflict like armageddon is at 100.000.000 , regiments of 10k sum up to 10.000 regiments.
Raising 40.000 regiments should hint on a conflict greater than Armageddon. Funnily its the only entry so far ( iirc ).

Armageddon had ~250 regiments in its campaign dex. Facing off 3.600.000 orks.
100.000.000 IG would just flatten these orks beneath their marching columns....
But it was 250 regiments vs 1200 hordes. Lets consider the 10k per regiment:
2.500.000 IG ( without other IoM forces ) vs 3.600.000 orks.
Do you see the changes?

Millions of IG weren't "epic" enough it seems.

Not sure where you are going here.

Armageddon has a tithe of 100,000,000 that gets sent off planet to serve in the IG throughout the galaxy. Some of these were sent back for the war.
The Dimmamak War was probably a systemwide war like the Sabbat Crusades and would have been a lot bigger than the 40,000 regiments which sound like they were merely reinforcements and/or replacements.

1hadhq wrote:
2.500.000 IG ( without other IoM forces ) vs 3.600.000 orks.

Since when Orks have numbers? They are reproducing like spores for Emperor's sake...

@Coa: These numbers aren't necessarily accurate. But they do give some sort of idea. I don't know where he got the Ork numbers from though.

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Coa: These numbers aren't necessarily accurate. But they do give some sort of idea. I don't know where he got the Ork numbers from though.

Having a quick look at the Armageddon codex there are about 1200 warbands said to be under the control of Ghazkhull and each warband was 600 to 3000 warriors strong. That gives the three million plus figure as a maximum which for a major war like that seems far to small to attack a hive world with.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:I'd go with higher than 50 million - there's so many regiments, even the Administratum supposedly cannot keep track of them all.

Now that's just irresponsible...

It is true, they lose records of planets on a regular basis....
Imperium have in fact several million worlds, but only 1 million is in database. They lost all data about the rest

And who in the Emperor's name voted for less than 100.000 in the entire Imperium? ( I think it was the Tau fans, but I am not sure ).

I'm not sure what you thought i said but i didn't say it wasn't true.
And i hope you're joking about that other point.

I joked for the first, aldo they know to lose planet from time to time ( read 5'th edition rulebook, admkinistratinum part ).
And I am not joking for the second. On this forum, while arguing with one Tau player, he said to me that "Tau Fire Cast outnumber Imperial Guard". I was like .

I can't wait until a new Tau codex comes out and IG players get tabled in fluff and TT!

Will be quite fun to see you hop flavor of the month bandwagons!

With Love,

~Tau Fanboys

Well you've most likely got Cruddance, whose on course for an under-powered fluff breaking Codex. Have fun.

The way that guy makes shooty codexes I am sure it will be heavily broken indeed! Can't wait

That guy also completely humped the Tyranid Codex. Again, good luck to you.

Omg! So ur telling me the guy who made ig crazy shooters AND nids crazy shooters with nigh endless shooty units that respawns is making a tau dex!? Omg.... i m gonna need some ice! I can't wait for first rank fire second rank fire fire warriors that endlessly pop out of devil fishies!



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Also! Id put the ig combat regiments at about 50 mil with about 300 mil support regiments handling noncombat stuff. For an empire 1 mil large planet wise id say that's about right.[user]

Emperors Faithful wrote:
Are the PDF included in that count on Armageddon?

yes.
Were 120 Rgt. of them in this old codex.

Kanluwen wrote:
The components of a lasgun are pretty dang standardized. The only difference seems to be in the actual expression of the lasgun.

It's like how the components of most firearms are similar, even if it's a super high-tech G36C versus a STG-44.

Another point of the old 3rd ed dex. Mentioned the standardization of the lasgun, not like 5th ed where details are lost...
would debate the G36C as "super-high tech" but that has no place here.
Certainly older codices did a better job to explain details like replacing lasguns with other local weaponry.

cadbren wrote:
Not sure where you are going here.

Armageddon has a tithe of 100,000,000 that gets sent off planet to serve in the IG throughout the galaxy. Some of these were sent back for the war.
The Dimmamak War was probably a systemwide war like the Sabbat Crusades and would have been a lot bigger than the 40,000 regiments which sound like they were merely reinforcements and/or replacements.

Wanted to show the difference of older codices/actual codices.
An example was the actual blurbs about events that havent been fleshed out (yet?) vs other events in the same codex and all of them vs an established event that had its own codex and was kept as major fluff piece through 3 editions ( since I remember only 3...) and
the goal was to show the reason to doubt some authors grasp on numbers.
I know things will change and many companies deem it viable to expand the threats a thousandfold and can't get the human limitations when it comes to imagining a 100.000.000.
Still think its to reinsert higher recrutement rates just to pimp the level of grimdarkness. Armageddon was fine with the ratios of combatants it had.
With the "new" recrutement rate, orks need more boyz too....

Brother Coa wrote:

1hadhq wrote:
2.500.000 IG ( without other IoM forces ) vs 3.600.000 orks.

Since when Orks have numbers? They are reproducing like spores for Emperor's sake...

What cadbren said.

Surely more orks will join the fight and the casualties may be replaced easily. That only guarantees other planets are safe from orks.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:The way that guy makes shooty codexes I am sure it will be heavily broken indeed! Can't wait

Funnily my shift key cannot stop laughing at this, so please excuse me if my posts lack capitalization from now on its all your fault.

In any other case, only humans and abhumans can join IG regiments so take your incompatible creatures elsewhere.

well if theres say 1 billion people irl china, if i ggave them all a las gun and a helmet i reckon i could take a planet, so id say minimum of 100 billion gaurdsman, minimum regiment size is 2000 before being classed as Aux.

50 million regiments is by far a minimum

Fairfeldia wrote:well if theres say 1 billion people irl china, if i ggave them all a las gun and a helmet i reckon i could take a planet, so id say minimum of 100 billion gaurdsman, minimum regiment size is 200 before being classed as Aux.

0 million regiments is by far a minimum

That would mean recruiting a 1/6 of the planet's population, which isn't standard Imperial Practice.

no thats 1/6 of this planets, im sure that in the 40K univers a population of 6 billion would be quite small for a hive world