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**winterdyne**

I'll also point out that I have an Emperor's Champion in Finecast that is a near-perfect cast. I forsee no problems with it. It is a notably simpler model (in the way it lies in the mould) than the Stern, and that may be something that makes a difference to the production process.

In short, the material is fine if you have minimal work to do with it. If you have a lot to do it can be nightmarish.

My advice:
1) Check your purchase in the store. Do not mail order unless you want to be sending stuff back and forth. Open it in front of the store staff, right at the till.
2) If you do get home and find it's duff - photo it, send the photos to GW customer services, and/or return it.
3) Remember this is supposed to be a premium quality product. If you're reaching for the greenstuff, think twice - is this what you paid for?
4) This said - don't be scared of flash. I've seen lots of 'reviews' shouting about this. Thin sheets of it are fine. When it's thick, check for mould slip (a 'step' in detail). If it's there, return the mini. Don't be scared of the little stringy bits either - their presence indicates the resin is going into the vents - it's supposed to.

**nectarprime**

LunaHound wrote:See? now you agree it makes sense. Seems like you were just too eager to defend anything that looked at GW funny.

lol

**LunaHound**

nectarprime wrote:
LunaHound wrote:See? now you agree it makes sense. Seems like you were just too eager to defend anything that looked at GW funny.

I think you're too eager to look for an argument and to try to point out errors any anything someone else says. Being right isn't the most important thing in the world, kid.

I dont think so, atleast i wouldnt go as far as to point out that someone thinks someone else is lying, over a tiny miniature.

Also, "Kid' (and variations thereof) is right up there almost guaranteed
to come across in a negative sense and as such, really not something to use in polite discussion as im sure we arnt discussing my age.

**voryn15**

winterdyne wrote:No, I am saying it's very easy to miss faults.

From looking at the Stern in particular there are a number of very common flaws in addition to the bubbly heels. Some of them are not immediately apparent until you start working on the miniature. I won't derail the thread with details - check the review on my blog against the miniature you have and see what's what. If you actually have a pretty much perfect cast (of Stern) you're extremely lucky. They seem to be rare!

The method for filling the bubbles depends on the size and location.

Where they knock a corner off you pretty much need to use a firm putty (eg Greenstuff) and smooth it in as best you can. Blend the repair in with a water-sensitive surfacing putty (such as milliput or Vallejo's plastic putty). These are the sort of bubbles I class as a flaw, and are generally caused by air being trapped in the mould, rather than held in suspension in the resin itself.

Pin-prick air holes are pretty common with resin that isn't mixed in a vacuum or thoroughly degassed. These are in suspension throughout the resin mix, and manifest at or just below the surface skin of the miniature when cleaning up. They're easy to fix by brushing on a little watered down surfacing putty (as above). I would NOT advise using superglue as it's very easy to put too much on, and you won't smooth it out easily - you'll be left with a blister-like bump on the surface. I don't count these as a particular problem, and in my review I did not mark down for their presence.

I'm not jumping on a 'hate Finecast' bandwagon. I think the QA sucks, perhaps on the first batch, perhaps on the lot. We'll see in a few months as the initial hysteria dies down and we start to be able to gather some sensible statistics.

In my considered opinion, QA notwithstanding, the material itself isn't suitable for a lot of models - anything with a narrow support with a weight out of balance on it (Shadowfax, Azhag's banner) is going to be prone to sagging in warm conditions. The material itself also has the softness disadvantage - it's not forgiving when cleaning up - it's very easy to remove detail along with flash or slight mould slip lines. This requires that QA be stepped up beyond what it would need to be for metal that's more forgiving in those circumstances.

So far that's what most people have been saying and everyone takes it as a attack on GW. It's just a unfortunate problem coupled with them labeling them as the best mini's ever made that's causing most of the so called "hate" for finecast. If they say there the best then that's what we expect and so far they have been far from it.

**LunaHound**

@voryn15 Thats the problem with most of the conflicts.

We know finecast is far from perfect, we know it needs improvement. People will always voice their opinion over a product that needs improvement, so things can be done about it.

But then we get called as haters? To be fair, we like warhammer and would like GW to produce quality products, which will ultimately benefits both sides.

Wouldn't everyone be happy if that happens?

**voryn15**

@LunaHound I know that i would have loved to come to these or any other forum and saw nothing but people saying how awesome finecast was and that GW did a great job on it. That would make me run out and buy some because i despise metal models and have been waiting for the change to resin to buy them. But as it stands the limited money and time i have for the hobby will have to wait untill i see better quality control on this stuff.

@nectarprime I am really happy to see that some people have had great experience with the product so far. I know that the people pointing out all of these "flaw's" seem like there just doing it to slam GW but most of them are just giving an honest review of what was labled the best mini's ever made and as such are horrible. now if they came out and said hey guy's were switching to resin and there going to be great for all the new masters we make but the old stuff is going to be similar to metal and we know resin has some flaws but were working on that the best we can. Then you would have people posting reviews saying there right the dark eldar stuff looks awesome and sure there are some bubbles but there working on it. The problem lies in the way it was marketed and lack of initial quality control due to the volume needed at release. i for one am hopefull that they only get better from here.

**insaniak**

LunaHound wrote:
nectarprime wrote:
LunaHound wrote:See? now you agree it makes sense. Seems like you were just too eager to defend anything that looked at GW funny.

I think you're too eager to look for an argument and to try to point out errors any anything someone else says. Being right isn't the most important thing in the world, kid.

I dont think so, atleast i wouldnt go as far as to point out that someone thinks someone else is lying, over a tiny miniature.

Also, "Kid' (and variations thereof) is right up there almost guaranteed
to come across in a negative sense and as such, really not something to use in polite discussion as im sure we arnt discussing my age.

How about both of you knock it off and stick to the topic?