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I was given my first Finecast mini on Saturday, the Dark Eldar Succubus:


It took over an hour of cleaning up the very annoying mould lines and for this reason Im not sold on the resin already.

It isnt terrible, but the right shoe had bubbles on the back and inside ankle. Bubbles are also present on the right arm; on some of the skulls on the trophy rack; and in other less-noticable areas. Im just glad these are easily apparent and not over important details. I would enjoy anyone PMing me how to fill these easily, as I think they are too small for GSing.

This is also a very brittle resin. Not as brittle as some, but the flexing does not prevent tears which lead to breakages, as I discovered with the tassle on the spear.

Im not hating them, but I do not see this as the revolution GW are pretending it is...

Now for your entertainment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7mU53IHNOU&feature=related

That hitler video made me laugh....

I'm still very Leary of it after seeing many posts like this one and i agree that they are making them sound like the "next best thing" and there really not. Also i love the hitler video.

With your personal experience, do you think prepping finecast takes longer or metal?

And is the difference of detail noticeable? or enough to justify swap to resin?

LunaHound wrote:With your personal experience, do you think prepping finecast takes longer or metal?

And is the difference of detail noticeable? or enough to justify swap to resin?

I don't know if the detail is a big enough difference to justify the switch(the only Finecast Model I've worked on I've never seen in metal). I would say prepping Finecast takes about the same amount of time as a plastic model. Perhaps a little less time then metal(due to no need for pinning). The model of Commander Dante I've been working on in finecast only had one "bubble", which was on the bottom of the shoulder-pad, so it's not visible. I haven't had a chance to get any Finecast on the table yet, so I don't know how durable they are, but I do prefer the reduced weight compared to metal.

Is finecast made of diamonds and cocaine?? i loled hard

AvatarForm wrote:Now for your entertainment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7mU53IHNOU&feature=related

First, it's funny that people are still using this meme for stuff. Second, this is probably one of the funniest I've seem. "Diamonds and cocaine" is priceless. Good find. Thanks for sharing!



Ghidorah

Awesome link, thanks for that.

Popped into my local GW on the weekend and the manager showed me Calgar and his honour guard in finecast. The models looked okay except the standard which was shot through with holes. It looked like a moth had been at it.

To be fair to GW, anyone I know who's had a problem has got the model replaced without any hassle.

LunaHound wrote:With your personal experience, do you think prepping finecast takes longer or metal?

I bought the Terminator Librarian when it first came out. It was pretty much covered in flash, however, because metal is more of a pain to clean up, I think it took as much time overall to clean up as my metal one did. My roommate got a Chaplin with jump pack and it was pretty much mangled. GW sent him a new one, which was still pretty bad, but salvageable, between the two. Just chunks of loose resin obscuring detail (like on the bolt pistol arm's shoulderpad) and mold lines destroying detail on the crozius handle.

And is the difference of detail noticeable? or enough to justify swap to resin?

Difference in quality was not noticeable, nor will I expect it to be until they start producing new models that actively take use of the different technology. It's like watching a blu-ray version of Casablanca. It's only ever going to get 'so good' because there's only so much you can do to something like that after the fact.

The main reason I wanted the resin was was for conversion to make it more 'grey knight' like. It let me cut the face out of the armor and add a helmet, something I wouldn't have been able to do previously.

Personaly I love the new the new finecast stuff, it's more durable than the ressin from FW because it's a hybrid of plastic and Resin, I think the reason you have quite low quality models is (As you can imagine) GW are rapidly pumping out the Finecast models due to high demand.

GW themeselves say use superglue to go over bubbles.

Henners91 wrote:GW themeselves say use superglue to go over bubbles.

Good lord, that's terrible idea. You squeeze some out and you get more than the bubble hole holds, then try to wipe the excess and get superglue crap all over the model. Terrible, terrible idea. Use greenstuff (or equivalent).



Ghidorah

Well I use the gw superglue which comes with a brush so I'd just apply it that way.

My brother and I went the to FLGS yesterday to kill some time, and the annoying guy was working. So we and got ready for his annoyingness, but funny enough he was showing off some DE mini with a spear, he was telling us how tough they are to break and started bending the spear to show us, and he broke the spear right in half. I laughed. But there was some small bubbles on the foot but nothing insane, some quick model filler and youd be in business.

BUT they still have a bunch of metals left and they clearanced them out, so this weekend we are going back and Im buying some minis. Hopfully the SAG meks are still there, they are going for $10

I don't understand why people hate resin. I love them and I made probably more experince (GW resin) than most people here.

I have built a calgar resin kit, coteaz, libby, crowe, stern and lord commissar and none had any problem other than brother captain stern with a bubble under his feet.

I also have many other resins I have sold and none of them had many or any problems. I think people are just being picky right now. They are not perfect but metal are not either, its just its harder too see bubbles or imperfections in metal because its so shinny.

I'd be willing to bet money that your Stern had more than the bubble under his feet wrong with him. I've looked at 10 of the buggers, and they all had multiple issues that I'd consider severe enough to return it.

So how does one fill those boubles? I haven't tried yet and I haven't got any finecasts yet to even see the boubles properly at, but I've already had quite a bit of trouble in the past (looking at some of my oldest models, seeing how much super-glue I used and that entire crust thing that made, nothing I want to cover up any area with on any model).

I don't know what the size of an average bouble is, but making/filling small bits with GS never was a problem... The mixing part was, though, for such small amounts.

winterdyne wrote:I'd be willing to bet money that your Stern had more than the bubble under his feet wrong with him. I've looked at 10 of the buggers, and they all had multiple issues that I'd consider severe enough to return it.

So you're saying he's lying?

nectarprime wrote:

winterdyne wrote:I'd be willing to bet money that your Stern had more than the bubble under his feet wrong with him. I've looked at 10 of the buggers, and they all had multiple issues that I'd consider severe enough to return it.

So you're saying he's lying?

No hes saying 2 or 3 good casts doesnt imply the other 50 are automatically good casts as well.

So you're saying people with tons of miscast finecast are lying?

See what i did there?

LunaHound wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

winterdyne wrote:I'd be willing to bet money that your Stern had more than the bubble under his feet wrong with him. I've looked at 10 of the buggers, and they all had multiple issues that I'd consider severe enough to return it.

So you're saying he's lying?

No hes saying 2 or 3 good casts doesnt imply the other 50 are automatically good casts as well.

So you're saying people with tons of miscast finecast are lying?

See what i did there?

So you're saying that just because people have been complaining about a few miscasts that all of them are in fact bad? And anyone who says that they are happy with their purchase is lying?

Do you even own any Finecast models? I have 3, only 1 had minor problems.

See what I did there?

Generally I take criticisms on Dakka with a pinch of salt; ungrateful fanboys, the lot of you!

nectarprime wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

winterdyne wrote:I'd be willing to bet money that your Stern had more than the bubble under his feet wrong with him. I've looked at 10 of the buggers, and they all had multiple issues that I'd consider severe enough to return it.

So you're saying he's lying?

No hes saying 2 or 3 good casts doesnt imply the other 50 are automatically good casts as well.

So you're saying people with tons of miscast finecast are lying?

See what i did there?

So you're saying that just because people have been complaining about a few miscasts that all of them are in fact bad? And anyone who says that they are happy with their purchase is lying?

Do you even own any Finecast models? I have 3, only 1 had minor problems.

See what I did there?

No i dont see what you did there. Because the bottom line is, finecast is unstable, some of you are lucky that you have stores you can visit to visually inspect prior purchasing.
Have you ever consider how that works online hmm? I can expand further that on that, but atm that would be off topic.
So the point is, there are good casts and there are also mis casts. They both should be taken equally, so stop fighting over it.

<text redacted; constructive posts attract constructive debate --Janthkin>

<stay on topic --Janthkin>

Ah it was winterdyne that said that, my bad. Still, you missed the point.

No, I am saying it's very easy to miss faults.

From looking at the Stern in particular there are a number of very common flaws in addition to the bubbly heels. Some of them are not immediately apparent until you start working on the miniature. I won't derail the thread with details - check the review on my blog against the miniature you have and see what's what. If you actually have a pretty much perfect cast (of Stern) you're extremely lucky. They seem to be rare!

The method for filling the bubbles depends on the size and location.

Where they knock a corner off you pretty much need to use a firm putty (eg Greenstuff) and smooth it in as best you can. Blend the repair in with a water-sensitive surfacing putty (such as milliput or Vallejo's plastic putty). These are the sort of bubbles I class as a flaw, and are generally caused by air being trapped in the mould, rather than held in suspension in the resin itself.

Pin-prick air holes are pretty common with resin that isn't mixed in a vacuum or thoroughly degassed. These are in suspension throughout the resin mix, and manifest at or just below the surface skin of the miniature when cleaning up. They're easy to fix by brushing on a little watered down surfacing putty (as above). I would NOT advise using superglue as it's very easy to put too much on, and you won't smooth it out easily - you'll be left with a blister-like bump on the surface. I don't count these as a particular problem, and in my review I did not mark down for their presence.

I'm not jumping on a 'hate Finecast' bandwagon. I think the QA sucks, perhaps on the first batch, perhaps on the lot. We'll see in a few months as the initial hysteria dies down and we start to be able to gather some sensible statistics.

In my considered opinion, QA notwithstanding, the material itself isn't suitable for a lot of models - anything with a narrow support with a weight out of balance on it (Shadowfax, Azhag's banner) is going to be prone to sagging in warm conditions. The material itself also has the softness disadvantage - it's not forgiving when cleaning up - it's very easy to remove detail along with flash or slight mould slip lines. This requires that QA be stepped up beyond what it would need to be for metal that's more forgiving in those circumstances.

winterdyne wrote:No, I am saying it's very easy to miss faults.

From looking at the Stern in particular there are a number of very common flaws in addition to the bubbly heels. Some of them are not immediately apparent until you start working on the miniature. I won't derail the thread with details - check the review on my blog against the miniature you have and see what's what. If you actually have a pretty much perfect cast (of Stern) you're extremely lucky. They seem to be rare!

The method for filling the bubbles depends on the size and location.

Where they knock a corner off you pretty much need to use a firm putty (eg Greenstuff) and smooth it in as best you can. Blend the repair in with a water-sensitive surfacing putty (such as milliput or Vallejo's plastic putty). These are the sort of bubbles I class as a flaw, and are generally caused by air being trapped in the mould, rather than held in suspension in the resin itself.

Pin-prick air holes are pretty common with resin that isn't mixed in a vacuum or thoroughly degassed. These are in suspension throughout the resin mix, and manifest at or just below the surface skin of the miniature when cleaning up. They're easy to fix by brushing on a little watered down surfacing putty (as above). I would NOT advise using superglue as it's very easy to put too much on, and you won't smooth it out easily - you'll be left with a blister-like bump on the surface. I don't count these as a particular problem, and in my review I did not mark down for their presence.

I'm not jumping on a 'hate Finecast' bandwagon. I think the QA sucks, perhaps on the first batch, perhaps on the lot. We'll see in a few months as the initial hysteria dies down and we start to be able to gather some sensible statistics.

In my considered opinion, QA notwithstanding, the material itself isn't suitable for a lot of models - anything with a narrow support with a weight out of balance on it (Shadowfax, Azhag's banner) is going to be prone to sagging in warm conditions. The material itself also has the softness disadvantage - it's not forgiving when cleaning up - it's very easy to remove detail along with flash or slight mould slip lines. This requires that QA be stepped up beyond what it would need to be for metal that's more forgiving in those circumstances.

This is a logical post that makes very good points. Thanks for sharing your experience

diamonds mixed with cocaine LMAO
these hitler vids are always great for a laugh

See? now you agree it makes sense. Seems like you were just too eager to defend anything that looked at GW funny.

That hitler video had me crying with laughter.