Tyranids vs the Flood

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**Zweischneid**

iproxtaco wrote:By the very nature of a Micro-organism there are Quadrillions of them, Tyranids release huge number into the atmosphere. In total, across all fleets, uncountable numbers.

Where do you take those numbers from? Again, just because you say that's what it is? A (single) quadrillion is the equivalent of a 10^24. The entire mass of an earth-like athmosphere is only about 5x10^21 gramm. If indeed there'd be so many organisms released by Tyranids into an athmosphere, that'd be several hundred to a thousand individual organisms per gramm of athmosphere.

That is clearly not how Tyranid invasions work, otherwise Tau couldn't possibly have cleared and re-inhabitate a planet "overrun" by Nids and Vostroyans couldn't hide behind walls and starve even 15% of a Tyranid attack wave.

**iproxtaco**

Simple logic based on what I've been taught about Micro-organisms very recently.
And yes, it is. From what I've read about a Tyranid invasion they release micro-organisms to digest the atmosphere.

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Zweischneid wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:A few things, Gorgon was tiny, a small Hive Fleet that consumed numerous worlds, only defeated by a joint force of Cadians and Tau.
Leviathan, was defeated on one planet by Maugan Mary-sue Ra, and is still going.
Kraken near annihilated Ilyanden, as in, it's pretty much dead, its population so low that the bulk of its armies are made of Wraithguard. It was defeated by a large Eldar fleet that arrived when it was already weakened and by a large Imperial force on Ichar IV.
Behemoth was sent packing by The Ultramarines, the freebootas were destroyed, along with a host of other planets.
Hydra was boarded by The Dark Eldar because it was in stasis. The Dark Eldar that boarded the ships were killed, the fleet survived.
Naga, actually destroyed 9 Eldar planets, a Craftworld, and several Eldar fleets before being destroyed.
Moloch was destroyed by a nuclear explosion, the surviving parts of the swarm, 15% of a swarm which stretched to the Horizon, died during the planets winter.
This is just a bit of clarification on Zweischneid's post. The rampant trolling present in it is frankly inexcusable and can't be argued with.

Nothing what you say contradicts what I said. Yes, battles in 40K are always dramatic and close fought because.. well, it's a fictional setting and there isn't a single battle in the history of 40K ever that isn't dramatically closely fought. Still the "general scale" of things that Hive Fleets compare to are things like singular Tau Septs, Dark Eldar Raiders, Craftworlds, single Space Marine Chapters, etc.. That wouldn't change even if the Tyranids would have won a few of those battles. And taken, being generous, the known Tyranids to be 15 Hive Fleets, that's not "vast numbers" in the grand scheme of things 40K.

Some of it does. "sent packing by Ork Freebootas is wrong", as was the information you gave about the Dark Eldar raiding a fleet. Most may not be a contradiction, but I never stated it to be, just clarification on the hyperbolic post you created.

**Zweischneid**

iproxtaco wrote:Simple logic based on what I've been taught about Micro-organisms very recently.
And yes, it is. From what I've read about a Tyranid invasion they release micro-organisms to digest the atmosphere.

Again, you just throw stupid gak out there. Where have you read that? It clearly contradicts the many stories where planets have been defended, reconquered and salvaged from Tyranid attacks. And you cannot have been taught that about Micro-organisms either. There is not a (even a single) quadrillion of organism, micro, nano or otherwise, and all of them together, on this planet we call Earth today.

**iproxtaco**

Here Tyranid 4th ed page 22

"All the men were suffering from the effects of microscopic organisms carried on the foetid air"

Page 4
"right from the spores polluting the atmosphere"
"tide of alien life forms from the microscopic to the colossal"
"air chokes with poisonous Tyranid spores"
"So thorough is the seeding of microscopic alien spores"

**Zweischneid**

iproxtaco wrote:Here Tyranid 4th ed page 22

"All the men were suffering from the effects of microscopic organisms carried on the foetid air"

Page 4
"right from the spores polluting the atmosphere"
"tide of alien life forms from the microscopic to the colossal"
"air chokes with poisonous Tyranid spores"
"So thorough is the seeding of microscopic alien spores"

None of these give numbers. Quite the opposite. If men, though suffering, could still walk about and breath (instead of being crushed by megatonnes of sheer biomass), it certainly wasn't quadrillions.

**iproxtaco**

Actaully, a simple google search provided a number of 5 nonllion microbes on the earth that's 5 times 10^30, quite a bit more than my estimate of quadrillions.

**dajobe**

Also, there are multiple fleets attacking the Milky way Galaxy...from different planes. By this, you can infer that the tyranids have a far ranging empire of death and that the milky way galaxy is just the next on their list. I also read(i think on warhammer wiki) that the Imperium has predicted that current tyranid fleets are just a vanguard force, and that the main one has yet to come. I have read before that the tyranids DO release microorganisms, and could evolve to do some nasty things to the flood. Also, i thought that flood needed to take over the mind of the being to infect it, so unless they got the hive mind, would not really be able to infect individual specimen. overall, the tyranid win in numbers, evolution and overall resiliency IMHO.

Sorry, cant fact check, at work and warhammer wiki is blocked...

**Void__Dragon**

Out of all the stupid statements of 40k I have read, this one takes the cake.

http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/f/fe/Tyranids_incursions.jpg

Look at those hive fleets. They are huge.

The Tau most certainly do NOT outnumber the Tyranids, nor do the Dark Eldar. Tyranids using superior numbers to swarm enemy lines is a common tactic.

**dajobe**

Dark eldar literally have 1 city(commoragh), its huge, but still

**themocaw**

Luna Dragon wrote:Who would win in battle or war? Warhammer 40k Tyranids or the Halo Flood?

No matter who wins, your social life loses.

**Coolyo294**

themocaw wrote:
Luna Dragon wrote:Who would win in battle or war? Warhammer 40k Tyranids or the Halo Flood?

No matter who wins, your social life loses.

Rimshot!

**grayspark**

Out of all the stupid statements of 40k I have read, this one takes the cake.

Yeah, this is getting pretty absurd, isn't it?

Honestly makes me wonder how old or what classes these people are taking that are replying...... (not every person mind you...)

My personal opinion on this is quite similar to what some said before. That the Tyranids would win in the long run. Tyranids could adapt to being resistant to being infected.

Of course if the Flood were to take control of some synapse creatures, I'm not so sure if the Hive easily the Hive could change those telepathic signals...