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KingKodo wrote:Like Chrysoar said earlier, this is not a problem with steam. I have never seen a game that comes on a disc that needs to be activated through steam.

It's a real problem.

I have many games I've purchased the cd/dvd for and had to go through steam to install it, and it wouldn't even install from the disc and had to download the whole game. If you purchase all your games through steam, this isn't an issue. Course, if you do that, you don't actually own the games you purchased. Funny huh?

juraigamer wrote:It's a real problem.

I have many games I've purchased the cd/dvd for and had to go through steam to install it, and it wouldn't even install from the disc and had to download the whole game. If you purchase all your games through steam, this isn't an issue. Course, if you do that, you don't actually own the games you purchased. Funny huh?

Again, this is the fault of a developer, not Steam. Nothing about Steam requires that the game only works if downloaded through the service; if a company decides not to include the base game on their disk, that's their own idiotic fault.

Digital property is still property, by law. If you buy your games through Steam, you will always be able to download them from any computer, which is technically much more useful than owning a disk which can be lost, stolen, or broken over the years (I have games on Steam that I bought when it first came out; most disks I own from that year are in very poor condition at this point, and I've definitely lost a few of them). Preferring a physical copy of a game is a totally worthless value.

halonachos wrote:I prefer Impulse over Steam.

Heresy!

Toastedandy wrote:
You should of read the thread

Its steam that was not allowing me to install it. So how is it not steams fault? I don't play online and would be a VERY casual gamer, this was the first game I bought since the orange box was released. I don't play online on the pc because of the lack of internet connection. All the good things you like about steam, mean nothing at all to me. In my eyes it is a hindrance with 0 benefits.

If steam didn't exist how would I still be having a problem with the game?

I apologize in advance if this may not come across as the most empathetic reply, but the only person here who is responsible for being unable to install it is you, mate.

We can argue all day as to whether you want there to be DRM, whether DRM is bad or good, whether you need to be online of offline to activate, or whether or not you should have to activate at all. When all has been said and done, it was your decision to purchase a game that clearly states in its requirements that you have an Online Steam Account[u] when you obviously did not meet that requirement. Minimum system requirements are published for a reason!

I am going to go out on a limb and say that you are not going to be able to obtain any support from Valve or the Steam community to work around the DRM that is, by developer intent, indicated to be a requirement on the packaging materials.

Your one and only option is to suck it up and meet the minimum system requirements. Again, whether you can or can not do so is not at all THQ or Valve's responsibility.

juraigamer wrote:
I have many games I've purchased the cd/dvd for and had to go through steam to install it, and it wouldn't even install from the disc and had to download the whole game. If you purchase all your games through steam, this isn't an issue. Course, if you do that, you don't actually own the games you purchased. Funny huh?

When you buy a game, you don't buy it to own. You buy a license that allows you to use that software. Just like when you buy a copy of Windows, you buy the license that lets you use that software. That's why a lot of people go into open-source for programming.

And I do believe Majesticgoat is right, the minimum system requirements on all games that use Steam as a platform list an internet connection as a requirement, which is no different from lacking a graphics card or a CPU to run the game.

htj wrote:Steam is the DRM for the game, so there's no way around it without downloading a pirated copy. Come, join us on Steam, you'll liiiiike it. When did you first use it? It's a lot different from when it first came up.

I don't pirate games, but I would be more than happy to buy a game leave it in its wrapper and download a pirate copy if I could get a pirate copy that works and bypasses steam. I hated Steam so much I gave up on Empire Total War because of it, and havent played it since the week after I bought it.

What are you hating so much!

I know steam is young and has a few faults, support being the worst, however for a thing i thought would be an annoying DRM it helps a lot.
It does matchmaking has cool free-to-play games (team fortress 2 woot) helps withg matchmaking (and does a good job at that).
I for one had a tough time working out how to work it but afterwards it was great, plus it helped me getting games our rejected Dutch gaming just doesn't supply.
People with a slow connection have a bit opf trouble but i think a small cheap internet upgrade or a new budget router solves that, i have a terribly slow (but stable) router and it works fine.
Plus in the contrary to Ubisoft it requires one-time access for games, while for example Ubisoft needs full-time access, plus on the contrary to other DRM it has benefits.

Read the thread...I have no internet so all the features it has are useless.

Toastedandy wrote: Read the thread...I have no internet so all the features it has are useless.

Then why do you buy a game that says REQUIRES INTERNET CONNECTION.
and they do state so on the box.
don't start hating a good service for you lacking insight and internet.

I was about to say.. try reading the box?

Juniperius wrote:

Toastedandy wrote: Read the thread...I have no internet so all the features it has are useless.

Then why do you buy a game that says REQUIRES INTERNET CONNECTION.
and they do state so on the box.
don't start hating a good service for you lacking insight and internet.

It was a mistake. You asked why I was hating on steam. I said before, steam is good, but it is useless for me. Becuase I have no internet on it. Again, you should of read the thread.

Then why make this rant thread if it's your own mistake..?

Read the thread and find out

Talking about steam...

Toastedandy wrote:Read the thread and find out

Reread the thread, coclusion: still your fault.
DRM is a part of nowaday gaming anbd just like Matt wards crap: it's here to stay.

I don't like Steam either.

Steam is very good IMO.

- library of games that do not require DVD at all, stay with you forever, constantly updated to latest version saving time and effort finding all the different patches for hundreds of games.

-store with regular sales and some sales can be a massive saving (never seen a 75% sale until i went on steam). fun competitions for the major sales (current summer ticket stuff is a little underwhelming with the prizes but hey, free stuff when you buy the games on sale)

- steam overlay with chat, friends list and all sorts of stuff. can be a godsend when you don't want or cant tab out of a game to type out a reply.

- forums for almost every game on sale. has been a life saver on more than one occasion.

of course, even i have found problems.

- support can be a pain if you ever need to speak with them. refunds are almost impossible unless you have a really good case (such as technical problems with steam and transactions).

- having to log into additional layers within specific games (GFWL in DoW2 was a complete pain in the ) or game spy in RA3 (not so much a pain) which I think is unnecessary but i guess that's down to the developers rather than steam.

- the few times it has crashed, it crashes in a fireball. I don't think steam knows what a "minor" crash is.

Juniperius wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:Read the thread and find out

Reread the thread, coclusion: still your fault.
DRM is a part of nowaday gaming anbd just like Matt wards crap: it's here to stay.

I know it's my fault that I bought the game, when it said it requires internet on both the front and back of the box. But what I am saying is that steam is useless for me, because of the lack of internet, and that is why I am hating on it.

Your sole reason for hating on it is not being able to use it properly... Through no fault of steam.

And is that not a reason enough to hate it? Im forced to have software, that takes up a sizable amount of space, that I can't even use properly.

Toastedandy wrote:And is that not a reason enough to hate it? Im forced to have software, that takes up a sizable amount of space, that I can't even use properly.

sizeable?! what hard drive space do you have if the <50 mb program is much, you are now overreacting, and that's the last amountg of effort i put in dampening YOUR mistake.]

Dampening? I admitted it was my mistake, I showed you that it is useless for me, and only takes up space on my hard drive. Thanks for all your 'help'/s/

Juniperius wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:And is that not a reason enough to hate it? Im forced to have software, that takes up a sizable amount of space, that I can't even use properly.

sizeable?! what hard drive space do you have if the <50 mb program is much, you are now overreacting, and that's the last amountg of effort i put in dampening YOUR mistake.]

What, do you work for Valve or something? Most people like Steam, Toastedandy is hacked off with it. Leave him to his opinion, why don't you? There's no justification for criticising him for resenting Steam because Steam does not fit his own particular situation.

I like steam. Its only 6 minutes till Ive downloaded Team Fortress 2 for free. Doesnt get any better?

htj wrote:Toastedandy is hacked off with it.

^ This guy gets it.

Is it free on the xbox as well? Or is it only a steam thing?

Its a steam thing AFAIK

htj wrote:

Juniperius wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:And is that not a reason enough to hate it? Im forced to have software, that takes up a sizable amount of space, that I can't even use properly.

sizeable?! what hard drive space do you have if the <50 mb program is much, you are now overreacting, and that's the last amountg of effort i put in dampening YOUR mistake.]

What, do you work for Valve or something? Most people like Steam, Toastedandy is hacked off with it. Leave him to his opinion, why don't you? There's no justification for criticising him for resenting Steam because Steam does not fit his own particular situation.

I'm sorry, i was overreacting toó, Toastdandy is completely entitled to have an opinion and may hat, I just think his lack of proper internet must not be a reason to start hating something that IMHO does not deserve that and these kind of bashes from people who misread requirements sometimes ruin these kind of services and then we might get stuck with that Ubisoft gak, I am sorry if I insulted someone.
Oh and Team Fortress 2 is a steam thing, however i thought it should be able to run from an xbox 360 mas i heard of games that used steam onn the Xbox but those were vague stories so i have little to confirm.

So what I'm getting is that toast's problem with steam is that due to having no internet, and that he has limited hard disk space (this is an assumption from the previous conversation) he finds that the service is detrimental to his specific circumstance.

he has already admitted that "I know it's my fault that I bought the game, when it said it requires internet on both the front and back of the box. But what I am saying is that steam is useless for me, because of the lack of internet, and that is why I am hating on it". so stop roasting him about it.

I fully understand that the online requirement can be frustrating to say the least, and i do not presume to know your situation regarding connectivity in your area/country, but internet connection is becoming readily available in many parts of the world due to 3G tethering from phones and such, so hopefully in the future you can use steam as intended.

as a curious thought, I assume you have connection to a phone line? if you do, there are still companies that are willing to provide dial up services. you may scoff, but it's better than nothing.

and a bit of information, you only need to activate retribution on steam. once thats done it can be played in offline mode for as long as you want. obviously without any of the online aspects.

This thead comes down to...


I dont have the internet or my internet is terrible so i hate steam since its made for the internet and its what some games are going to now.

Spyder68 wrote:This thead comes down to...


I dont have the internet or my internet is terrible so i hate steam since its made for the internet and its what some games are going to now.

That doesn't account for 70% of the posts, which are fanboys going ZOMG STEAM IS THE AWESOME and railing off against the OP. As a massive Valve fanboy, I am saddened by this.

Steam is awesome when you have a good internet connection, but if you dont, it SUCKS. Half the time it wont let me even play my games like portal 2, etc if I'm not connected to the internet, because half the time it says my login info is not stored or some other crap. Also even if I do have a good internet connection it takes an overly long time to connect. Also it keeps installing pointless updates that seem to do nothing but take up my computer's memory. ALso sometimes the patches they release screw things up. It is worth it if you have good connection though, because the multiplayer servers are so good and there are very few hackers. Also the stat tracking is awesome.

My Alienware m11x laptop came with STEAM already installed, so that saved me a lot of trouble too I suppose.


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KingKodo wrote:Like Chrysoar said earlier, this is not a problem with steam. I have never seen a game that comes on a disc that needs to be activated through steam. Your situation is the first I have heard of it, which suggests that is a THQ thing and not steam.

DOW2 also requires activation directly with THQ before you can play the game...so your internet connection problem would still exist even if you did not need steam to install the game...as Chrysoar said earlier.

Something I like about Steam is that it enables smaller developers to market their games to MASSIVE amounts of customers - customers they could not reach if they had to market in a retail store. Many of these smaller developers would not exist simply because they could not afford retail storefront and would not sell nearly as many copies of their products without steam.

This, in addition to everything chrysoar mentioned earlier, makes steam an absolutely excellent package that connects gamers and developers on a level that could not be achieved without it.

If you have never played a game that required activation through steam you have not played very many games .


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thenoobbomb wrote:I like steam. Its only 6 minutes till Ive downloaded Team Fortress 2 for free. Doesnt get any better?

How the gak did you get it for free? I had to pay 10 bucks for it.