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I run a pawn shop and in my experience the seller will generally always perceive the value their goods to be higher then the buyer does.

lord_blackfang wrote:Agreed with OP. It's ridiculous how expensive used minis are these days.

It's called supply and demand. If people were not willing to pay those prices, the resellers would be forced to lower their prices to get rid of their stock.

There is a catch for veteran players. I've sold off half my armies from 3rd edition when I got back into 40k in 5th and made the entirety of my initial MSRP back... of course, my MSRP in 1998-2000 was 40-50% off the current prices!

Let's not forget that when you buy used from someone, you also don't get the extra bits/weapons/etc (unless they give them to you) that came with the original packaging. Let's say you want those bits, now you have to pay more money to get them off eBay, which drives the actual price of the item closer to the MSRP. Might as well have bought NIB at that point.

PsyberWolf wrote:

Tyrius wrote:I'm starting to think people can't read. Words like about and almost does not mean exactly.

One example I know for a fact was before last price hike on assault marines they were $24.75 retail the invoice for them was $12.50 he sold them for $19. Now thats not exactly 50% off but pretty close to it. I know the items were all variable amounts of % increases but having some items with that High of a mark up especially on a unit that armies will field 14 boxes worth is alot of profit.

We know how to read - we just don't believe a store is getting minis from GW at a 50% discount.

Obviously some don't this is not my discussion about how much a retailer gets and I never said they get 50% discount from gw I said about and 45% is about 50%. The items I looked at were almost 50% off what the msrp was. My LGS does not buy direct from GW unless they are direct order only. He goes through a distributor.

Also another part of not reading is I have said this and a MOD has said this. Its about dealing with people reselling items and wanting MSRP for items that are used/assembled/painted after asking for "an offer" they get upset they won't get MSRP for items that are needing to be fixed up.

augustus5 wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:Agreed with OP. It's ridiculous how expensive used minis are these days.

It's called supply and demand. If people were not willing to pay those prices, the resellers would be forced to lower their prices to get rid of their stock.

This is my point if you look at the trade forum(not just here other trade areas and you can include ebay as well) you will find people with items asking MSRP for used stuff that has been relisted every 4 days 8 or more times with almost no changes.

45% is not about 50%.
There are two gaming stores and one sells 20% off and the other 25% off. Which one do you go to? It's not insignificant money when you have cost.

Distributors are not cheaper than GW direct..but they let you pick and choose what you want.

As for stuff not selling, it's not that it doesn't sell..it depends on what you're selling and the circumstances. I sold allarielle and her hand maidens for way more than I bought for them. But those models are out of print.
The market is oversaturated with marines, so it's tough to sell them at a good price.

But on the flip side, I've seen painted landraiders go for $200 because they were magnetized, and honestly the paint job was good but not THAT good.

It depends.

I understand different factors go into buying items. Im not talking about these different factors. I'm talking about this:

Someone listing an item as "make me an offer". I give my offer which is 50% off MSRP. Their response is I want to get MSRP for my item which I assembled/painted poorly and will need to be fixed stripped repaired. Not only do they want more then I could buy a new item for they want to charge to ship the item. Also as mentioned when you buy something assembled you miss out on all the other bits the kit would come with. So maybe people will get a clue when something doesnt sell for 3 months, likely they won't and will keep on listing the items.

So I could buy a NIB item at 25%-30% shipped to me free. Take the money I saved and pay someone to assemble the item well and for some items likely get someone to paint the item better.

$66 plus roughly $5 (this is probably lower then what it would actually cost) to ship a landraider in the US or pay $49 shipped free and leaves me $22 I could find a dozen locals to assemble and possibly even paint the thing to above table top standard to my preferred scheme. That's assuming I don't do it myself. and save $22 and get a brand new item and all the extra options. The point being as an individual you are not likely to be able to compete with selling items NIB or used looking to get MSRP when you can go to any online store and get it cheaper and the good stores will ship for free usually on orders over $50-$75. That is unless as mentioned you are a good assembler and painter and then you will likely have good pictures and references to back how well you clean up a model of mold lines and gaps before painting the item. At this point we are not talking about my example what so ever.

Tyrius wrote:I understand different factors go into buying items. Im not talking about these different factors. I'm talking about this:

Someone listing an item as "make me an offer". I give my offer which is 50% off MSRP. Their response is I want to get MSRP for my item which I assembled/painted poorly and will need to be fixed stripped repaired. Not only do they want more then I could buy a new item for they want to charge to ship the item. Also as mentioned when you buy something assembled you miss out on all the other bits the kit would come with. So maybe people will get a clue when something doesnt sell for 3 months, likely they won't and will keep on listing the items.

So I could buy a NIB item at 25%-30% shipped to me free. Take the money I saved and pay someone to assemble the item well and for some items likely get someone to paint the item better.

$66 plus roughly $5 (this is probably lower then what it would actually cost) to ship a landraider in the US or pay $49 shipped free and leaves me $22 I could find a dozen locals to assemble and possibly even paint the thing to above table top standard to my preferred scheme. That's assuming I don't do it myself. and save $22 and get a brand new item and all the extra options. The point being as an individual you are not likely to be able to compete with selling items NIB or used looking to get MSRP when you can go to any online store and get it cheaper and the good stores will ship for free usually on orders over $50-$75. That is unless as mentioned you are a good assembler and painter and then you will likely have good pictures and references to back how well you clean up a model of mold lines and gaps before painting the item. At this point we are not talking about my example what so ever.

No.

If I want to sell you a tank at 100.00, and you don't want to pay it, so what, I'd better come back with a lower price.

If someone asks you for a price, then doesn't want to deal? Thats easy- Leave. tell them to feth off and grow a set and set a price so they can stop wasteing your time.

Your talking about second hand GW stuff. Miniatures. WE know what we want to buy things at.

If you don't like the price, you move on. If you have a set rate you want to buy it at, you ask for it.

Thats it. all the other side order stuff is greek salad.


You can't seriously sit there and nit pick every factor someone has to sell something at. THEY are selling it, you are looking to buy it, your not obligated to anything until you drop hard earned coin on it.

Sometimes its just obvious, and people really don't know how to sell or buy.

Haggling is perfectly acceptable to me. Not everything is like a store with a sticker on it. Some people even enjoy doing it, others not so much. Though at least send a message back and say no deal, that annoys me to no end when there isn't a response. It is kinda like being in the middle of a conversation and leaving without saying bye. It should be a common courtesy in my opinion.

Tyrius wrote:I understand different factors go into buying items. Im not talking about these different factors. I'm talking about this:

Someone listing an item as "make me an offer". I give my offer which is 50% off MSRP. Their response is I want to get MSRP for my item which I assembled/painted poorly and will need to be fixed stripped repaired. Not only do they want more then I could buy a new item for they want to charge to ship the item. Also as mentioned when you buy something assembled you miss out on all the other bits the kit would come with. So maybe people will get a clue when something doesnt sell for 3 months, likely they won't and will keep on listing the items.

So I could buy a NIB item at 25%-30% shipped to me free. Take the money I saved and pay someone to assemble the item well and for some items likely get someone to paint the item better.

$66 plus roughly $5 (this is probably lower then what it would actually cost) to ship a landraider in the US or pay $49 shipped free and leaves me $22 I could find a dozen locals to assemble and possibly even paint the thing to above table top standard to my preferred scheme. That's assuming I don't do it myself. and save $22 and get a brand new item and all the extra options. The point being as an individual you are not likely to be able to compete with selling items NIB or used looking to get MSRP when you can go to any online store and get it cheaper and the good stores will ship for free usually on orders over $50-$75. That is unless as mentioned you are a good assembler and painter and then you will likely have good pictures and references to back how well you clean up a model of mold lines and gaps before painting the item. At this point we are not talking about my example what so ever.

Maybe you could just ignore these people? It's not like you can do anything about them, and they aren't hurting you in any way. And as you said, you can find it cheaper elsewhere.

Even if everyone here says "WOW, you are so right! Something must be done about this!" , not a damn thing is going to change.

Just buy the stuff you think is a good deal. Ignore the rest. I just bought a showcase for 159.00 that several other sellers have for 250.00 and 350.00, and it's the exact same thing, made by the exact same company. They even use the same pictures in their catalogs. I found them all on the internet in the same search. I bought the cheapest one, ignored the rest.

I guess you're right. Nothing changes when you try to address an issue that people may not realize. Think maybe you could take your own advice then.

Tyrius wrote:I guess you're right. Nothing changes when you try to address an issue that people may not realize. Think maybe you could take your own advice then.

Sorry, you're not even close to making my ignore list. You're still in the 'mildly amusing' stages.

You don't have an issue here. Nothing. No issue. You have 'it bugs me when I want to buy something cheaper and the seller doesn't agree with me'. This isn't a case of people not realizing theres an issue. There is not issue to address other than in your own mind.)

You control how you buy things. The other guy gets to control how he sells things.