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GK terminators aren't even all that efficient compared to strike squads, it's kind of funny. Really nowhere near the same gap as tactical terminators against tactical squads. They're still not bad though, just nowhere near as strong for the codex as normal terminators are for theirs.

See, what you *should* say is that you have no purifiers. >.>

I chose Grey Knights partly for the models, and partly because they resemble, in large part, three of the four major D&D characters I've been playing over the last decade. A Far Realm -hunting psion, a brutally pragmatic psychic warrior that works as black ops for a paladin order, and a paladin that burns everything nearby with radiance. Combine the three and you basically get a purifier. I even bought miniatures just to assemble and paint before I decided to play, and thus made my army choice completely ignorant of the rules. And of course, I've still gotten accusations of choosing the codex because it's percieved as overpowered.

Most people will usually manage to find something about other peoples codices that they dont agree with.

None of the people i play with have a GK army so i can't pass comment.

My personal pet peev is Space Wolves. There is a character in there (can't remember his name) who can throw his thunderhammer and have it return to him.....WTF!!!???!!! I dont kick up a fuss when it is used it just strikes me as a ridiculous thing to even come up with in the first place.



Anyway, i'm rambling. Every army has it's "overpowered" or "broken" units, depending on your point of view. My opinion? Suck it up, it's just a game.

My personal example is Necrons. People who play necrons belive the codex is broken and not at all competative, whiel many people who play against necrons belive they are OP and WBB is a game breaker and monoliths shoudl be nerfed for the greater good etc etc etc.

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General Seric wrote:

Melchiour wrote:I am at the point where I would like to start a Grey Knights armor because I like the models and the idea behind them, but I keep putting it off because you instantly get labeled a power gamer or that guy.

Wait until the next marine army comes out, then most of the hate will be focused on them!

I used tot hink that but people are still antsy about SW and there have been quite a few codci between them and the newest release...

The exception to the rule is the most stupidly, brokenly overpowered 'dex on the market. People will move on from Grey Knights when something new comes out - though probably not the sure-to-be-hilariously-bad Sisters WD 'dex - but Space Wolves will still see a lot of eye-rolling coming their way.

Wat i hate is people who make a generic list and then, as soon as the latest uber codex comes out, they proxy everythgin rather than put in the work.

I would be perfectly happy to play against a GK player who has put some effort into amking a good looking, well painted army.

But facing a pile of mis-matched maries and then have someone say "oh yeah, these blue/yellow/red ones are purifiers and the combat blades all count as NFWs". I think not.

Then they're not WYSIWYG.

ph34r wrote:[Conclusion: You are a whining babby who is bad at 40k and never actually read the Grey Knights background.

Hardy. Been playing since Rogue Trader days and have a lot of time, energy and years into the game. I played grey knights long before they had a codex of any kind and were only an Ordo Malleous list in the Realms of Chaos, so I think I have plenty of perspective here. Funny, but *that* list did include grey knights in power armor as did the Daemonhunters incarnation. There are only two incarnations of the grey knights that have no power armor: The current one and the time frame where they Realm of Chaos books were no longer relevant to the system and the GKs only existed as a terminator squad allied add on to Imperial armies facing chaos forces. Before you whine about my perspective you should actually understand what it is first. I am pretty sure I have way more perspective on the long term presence of the grey knights in 40k than you do.

I sold my grey knights for reasons that had nothing to do with the coming codex, merely stated that I was actually glad I had when I saw the new codex and wouldn't actually play using the list. Simple and clear. Apparently being glad I had sold them means I panicked about a new codex coming out and ran scared. Hardly. Needed some new Early war British minis for Flames of War. Something had to go. Sold an Imperial fists army at the same time. Guess I am afraid of space marine codecies now too.

Suffice to say I am just as entitled to my opinion of the new GK codex as anyone else and at least I have the maturity to list out my complaints like an adult instead of resorting to calling people babies to try and show some superiority.

I still stick by my stance that of all of the incarnations of the full GK list for 40k I feel that the Daemonhunters list was the most balanced and effective list for them. People are perfectly allowed to like the new GK codex. Doesn't mean I have to.

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Praxiss wrote:Wat i hate is people who make a generic list and then, as soon as the latest uber codex comes out, they proxy everythgin rather than put in the work.

I would be perfectly happy to play against a GK player who has put some effort into amking a good looking, well painted army.

But facing a pile of mis-matched maries and then have someone say "oh yeah, these blue/yellow/red ones are purifiers and the combat blades all count as NFWs". I think not.

I agree, even when they are using their own list it is a problem. It is one thing to say this devastator squad is actually armed with Lascannons instead of heavy bolters, but another to say that *this* group of tactical marines that look exactly like all the other tactical marines are devastator squad with lascannons and *that* group of tactical marines that look exactly like all the other tactical marines are an assault squad...etc. Saw some guy pull this at a local store recently and was surprised his opponent didn't blink. I would have told him to go home and actually build his army properly and found another opponent.

Skriker

I just played a 1500 point game against GK this weekend. My THSS Termies killed Drago and His Squad.

My Dred killed his Purifiers. He couldn't pop my raiders, so no I dont see how they are OP.

It was a good game. Tough but not unwinnable.

Praxiss wrote:
My personal pet peev is Space Wolves. There is a character in there (can't remember his name) who can throw his thunderhammer and have it return to him.....WTF!!!???!!! I dont kick up a fuss when it is used it just strikes me as a ridiculous thing to even come up with in the first place.

Arjac Rockfist. Thor says "hi" BTW. Just like Lukas the Trickster is blatantly based on Loki (whod've thought in an army with loads of Norse imagery ) Arjac is based on Thor, thus it's not silly in the context of book at all.

Too many people guage their life value on how often they win 40k. When a supposed "cheesy" codex comes out (which for these folks is every time one comes out that's not their own army), naturally, they'll groan.

After all, you may not be a pushover and they may have to deal with something in your army.

Too bad you cannot go to a major national tournament and play nothing but NOOB Necron players, huh? Then these guys would get the "overall" or "best general" awards they so richly deserve.

...by the way, I play Grey Knights...play or quit...don't whine.

Skriker wrote:No bones about it. The grey knights are very broken and no one likes it. Luckily I sold off my Daemonhunters army right *before* the new codex came out so don't have to worry about having any useless models on my shelf at this point. I will *not* play chaos against the grey knights anymore and that was the ultimate fluff battle right there.



Skriker

So are you going to dump your army every time it gets updated? What happens when every army gets and update and they're all on a level playing field are you going to quit 40k? I don't get the over obsessive underdog disorder some people have in nerd hobbies sometimes.

cromwest wrote:So are you going to dump your army every time it gets updated? What happens when every army gets and update and they're all on a level playing field are you going to quit 40k? I don't get the over obsessive underdog disorder some people have in nerd hobbies sometimes.

Read my later post the sale of my grey knights had nothing to do with the new book coming out. Completely unrelated, just commenting that I wouldn't play them using the new list because I dislike the new book. Simple....

Skriker

You know, I can't remember ever playing against a Grey Knights list. Even back when I actually did game at semi-public venues. Course, that was the Daemonhunters days. Because of that, I dunno if your Codex is overpowered or balanced. I actually like the look of the Grey Knight minis, even the Dreadknight.

People, at least on Dakka, often list Sisters of Battle as underpowered or barely competitive. I don't play competitively at all, but my games against my mom... No matter which of the other armies she uses, my Sisters of Battle tend to achieve victory or at least put up a good fight. I've even tabled her favoured Space Marines on turn 7 of a... whatever that one with the markers you have to capture is. Albeit that time, she had a deathstar-type unit made from Terminators and a pair of HQ units that killed 10 Battle Sisters and promptly got pwned by massed bolter, flamer, and melta fire. Those Termies and HQs together cost about 1/3 her army's total points. Add in the Land Raider Crusader that was taken down by meltas the next turn...

Anyways, it's not so much that I hate Grey Knights for being overpowered, cause one, they're not, and two, I don't play competitively, period. It's more that I strongly dislike a singular piece of their fluff because it squicks me out immensely. There are other armies with more fluff that squicks me out just as much - Dark Eldar and (Slaaneshi) Chaos, as notable examples.

Edit: Sorry if this wasn't coherent, I've spent 18 of the past 32 hours mining ore on World of Warcraft.