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aservan wrote:Sort of true. How many models are actually carrying their helmets, though? Most Space marine sergeants are not carrying a helmet anywhere on the mini. WYSIWYG he is toast.

Seriously? Are you joking, or do people actually try to claim that the model doesn't get an armor save because his helmet is off?

aservan wrote:Is anyone really gonna tell me that Luke looks cooler then Darth Vader?

No, but he does look better than a stormtrooper.

People without helmets have more personality than if they had one on. Their is no greater armor than plot armor

I reckon units with no helmets look silly, especially when its HQ's/IC's.
Mainly because it completely kills the uniqueness of your army I feel. For example, if two SM armies fight with Librarians, They are most likely going to have the same looking face which makes your Awesome Sauce Mr Bob Psyker less awesome because you have someone that looks like you on the table.
Also, Because you're using a face that GW give you, there's less room for making up how he looks and making him yours xD

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Nicholas wrote:People without helmets have more personality than if they had one on. Their is no greater armor than plot armor

As I've just said, I reckon the opposite ^^

MittinsKittens wrote:I reckon units with no helmets look silly, especially when its HQ's/IC's.
Mainly because it completely kills the uniqueness of your army I feel. For example, if two SM armies fight with Librarians, They are most likely going to have the same looking face which makes your Awesome Sauce Mr Bob Psyker less awesome because you have someone that looks like you on the table.
Also, Because you're using a face that GW give you, there's less room for making up how he looks and making him yours xD

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Nicholas wrote:People without helmets have more personality than if they had one on. Their is no greater armor than plot armor

As I've just said, I reckon the opposite ^^

So...
You're saying faceless shock troopers of a dystopian and despotic regime have more personality because of an imagined an unrealised face rather than the un-masked shock troopers of a dystopian and despotic regime who are, due simply to the fact they are un-masked, more human.

purplefood wrote:

MittinsKittens wrote:I reckon units with no helmets look silly, especially when its HQ's/IC's.
Mainly because it completely kills the uniqueness of your army I feel. For example, if two SM armies fight with Librarians, They are most likely going to have the same looking face which makes your Awesome Sauce Mr Bob Psyker less awesome because you have someone that looks like you on the table.
Also, Because you're using a face that GW give you, there's less room for making up how he looks and making him yours xD

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Nicholas wrote:People without helmets have more personality than if they had one on. Their is no greater armor than plot armor

As I've just said, I reckon the opposite ^^

So...
You're saying faceless shock troopers of a dystopian and despotic regime have more personality because of an imagined an unrealised face rather than the un-masked shock troopers of a dystopian and despotic regime who are, due simply to the fact they are un-masked, more human.

Yes.

Ok I am really new to this game, so I really don't know much about the tech involved. But wouldn't the Librarian need the helmet to make communication with the rest of his squad?
I mean where does space marine put their communication device?
I am also thinking isn't there like a tactical view in their visor also?

coolyo294 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

MittinsKittens wrote:I reckon units with no helmets look silly, especially when its HQ's/IC's.
Mainly because it completely kills the uniqueness of your army I feel. For example, if two SM armies fight with Librarians, They are most likely going to have the same looking face which makes your Awesome Sauce Mr Bob Psyker less awesome because you have someone that looks like you on the table.
Also, Because you're using a face that GW give you, there's less room for making up how he looks and making him yours xD

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Nicholas wrote:People without helmets have more personality than if they had one on. Their is no greater armor than plot armor

As I've just said, I reckon the opposite ^^

So...
You're saying faceless shock troopers of a dystopian and despotic regime have more personality because of an imagined an unrealised face rather than the un-masked shock troopers of a dystopian and despotic regime who are, due simply to the fact they are un-masked, more human.

Yes.

Well that makes sense. The depressed and sullen masses of these kind of regimes tend to have such great imaginations when it comes to faceless shock troopers...


That was sarcasm by the way...

Kinda yes. Mainly because you start realizing that every face on the sets of units look the same and it kills the uniqueness of your dudes.
I give you the fact having a army full of men with helmets does the same thing, But I feel its easier to imagine if they have helmets on that they all look different, then when they have their helmets off and they all magical look the same.
Although, I may be biased because I can't stand the idea of using heads on my minis that are helmetless because I always hate the way they look.

What's even better than characters with unique faces (most seem rather similar)? Characters with unique helmets.

Nicholas wrote:People without helmets have more personality than if they had one on. Their is no greater armor than plot armor

There is only 1 type of armour stronger than plot armour, can anyone say what it is???

hint:it belongs on a famous vehicle

MittinsKittens wrote:Kinda yes. Mainly because you start realizing that every face on the sets of units look the same and it kills the uniqueness of your dudes.
I give you the fact having a army full of men with helmets does the same thing, But I feel its easier to imagine if they have helmets on that they all look different, then when they have their helmets off and they all magical look the same.
Although, I may be biased because I can't stand the idea of using heads on my minis that are helmetless because I always hate the way they look.

I see your point, but I think that having a helmet off gives you just a tiny bit of variety in and of itself. Personally, I can tell the difference between the faces, and think most of them look pretty different. If you want to convert them, I have seen quite a bit of work done with Green Stuff to change the look on a face. And when it comes to Space Marines, most Marines of a given Chapter are supposed to look the same. I was pretty sure the work they'd had done made their faces so similar that most non-Space Marines can't tell them apart.

And I still want to know: are there really folks out there who try to claim that models without helmets get no armor save under WYSIWYG?

im sure there are, there are stupid people who believe everything somewhere

KingDeath wrote:Meet Sevrin Loth, one of the few Librarians who know that a perforated head is bad for their psychic prowess .

Do want.

+1

Is that first model OOP?

It's a Forgeworld miniature. Magister Sevrin Loth of the Red Scorpions. He comes with his own honourguard for 37 pounds which isn't too bad for FW standards.

Anyway to get him separately?

DA's Forever wrote:Anyway to get him separately?

I wish :(

DA's Forever wrote:Anyway to get him separately?

Watch eBay for him?

ph34r wrote:

DA's Forever wrote:Anyway to get him separately?

Watch eBay for him?

Sounds like my only option. Thanks all

On a serious side, his psychic hood is not his helmet, but the collar around his head, as seen in the pictures above. All Librarians, as well as all GK, have the same extended collar, which is part of the Aegis armor they wear and forms the circuitry of the Psychic Hood.

SJ

DA's Forever wrote:

ph34r wrote:

DA's Forever wrote:Anyway to get him separately?

Watch eBay for him?

Sounds like my only option. Thanks all

Actually, he's not a bad kit to buy.

You get him(the only full model in the set), the Red Scorpion torsos and weapons along with shoulderpads, and the Space Marine Command Squad sprue.

Is there some stuff in there you will not necessarily want or need? Sure. But nothing stopping you from reselling it on eBay to recoup your costs--or asking around the local gaming group and having people put money down on the pieces they want.

dajobe wrote:

Nicholas wrote:People without helmets have more personality than if they had one on. Their is no greater armor than plot armor

There is only 1 type of armour stronger than plot armour, can anyone say what it is???

hint:it belongs on a famous vehicle

CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT ARMOUR PLATES

Kingdeath, I think we're all dying to know where you found that model... I'd be really interested in finding it myself.

Kanluwen wrote:

DA's Forever wrote:

ph34r wrote:

DA's Forever wrote:Anyway to get him separately?

Watch eBay for him?

Sounds like my only option. Thanks all

Actually, he's not a bad kit to buy.

You get him(the only full model in the set), the Red Scorpion torsos and weapons along with shoulderpads, and the Space Marine Command Squad sprue.

Is there some stuff in there you will not necessarily want or need? Sure. But nothing stopping you from reselling it on eBay to recoup your costs--or asking around the local gaming group and having people put money down on the pieces they want.

True...Thanks Kan, First Forgeworld purchase coming up.

I hate the look of non-helmeted space marines. The only helmetless marine I have is my AoBR sergeant, and thats only for a lack of a replacement. I honestly like the standardized look of everyone in a helmet. Plus, I always give my sergeants a chainsword, so its really easy to tell them apart.

There is an unrelated reason for my dislike of faces. I can't paint skin tones for my life, so helmets just makes it that much easier.