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Brother Coa wrote:
Maybe you want to "enlighten" me and try to justify that?
Or Draigo?

Draigo is the supreme commander of the most powerful and elite fighting force of the most powerful and elite sub-species of the most powerful species in the galaxy. If he were anything short of the superhero he is, he would be a disappointment. And despite his strengths, Draigo is currently trapped within the warp for the amusement of the Dark Gods, where none of his efforts have any effect on Chaos' goals.

Brother Coa wrote:
Or the fact that Grey Knights can call orbital bombardment on themselves and go without a scratch while everything around them is dead and burred...

The entry specifically mentions barrage bombs were used. The effect of these bombs would have no doubt been devastating on the unarmored flesh of Tyranids and Daemons. The power and terminator armored Grey Knights on the other hand, not nearly so much.

Brother Coa wrote:
Or the fact that they got eaten alive by Daemons only to be blown up by that same Grey Knight after 2 - 3 minutes inside?

Thawn is a Purifier.

Brother Coa wrote:
Or the fact that they can move planets into and out of the warp?

Malcador, the most powerful human psyker ever seen short of the Emperor himself, could move a planet into the warp. Since his death, the Grey Knights have struggled to keep the Warp Nexus operational, and they don't know how to use it anyways.

Brother Coa wrote:
Or that they have armor that can reflect plasma ( Matt Ward way of saying: "f*** you Tau" ).

Ceramite is especially useful for its heat-resistant qualities. It's far from inconceivable that a marine could take a shot from a plasma weapon and continue the fight with little issue.
The particular wargear you are indirectly referring too is a crystal array, not armor. With a grand range of 12", and only being able to be taken on a maximum of two T3 platforms, the Ulumeathi Plasma Syphon is hardly a "F*** you" to anyone.

Brother Coa wrote:
Please, try to justify me all that. Not that Sisters got slain by Grey Knights ( witch is also slowed ) but the fact that Sisters can repel Bloodtide with only their faith while Grey Knights have holly armor + psychic training + all kind of anti-daemon protection and all that packed int other finest equipment that Imperium can provide. And they cannot resist Chaos corruption and Sisters who have nothing more then their faith can? Something doesn't end up here....

The result of this conundrum only serves to make the Battle Sisters all the more impressive. The Grey Knights had a job to do, however, and were forced to compromise...

Brother Coa wrote:
And their Leader Draigo without this Talisman is walking around the warp making Chaos Gods really angry...

The Chaos Gods could care less what Draigo does, or rather, tries to do.

Brother Coa wrote:
And I read Blood Angels to, it was also slowed with fluff and rules.

If you say so. I personally didn't care much for the Blood Angels' lore before or after their Codex.

Brother Coa wrote:
And Codex: Space Marines should be renamed Codex: Ultramarines since only Ultras gain highlight there...

I agree. It would have changed the picture new players see when they pick their first Marine Codex. The result would likely have procured more of the alternatives being played, since they would not be compelled to buy the broadly titled "Space Marines" compared to "Dark Angels".
Also, the current book provides more support for lesser known Chapters than any before it.

Brother Coa wrote:
There, I now explained everything with "rationale in mind". and if you still like this kind of fluff may I suggest Batmen or Supermen or anything Marvel. They have a lot of unrealistic, overpowered thing going there...

All you have done is recycle other people's arguments. And thank you for the suggestions, but I've never had any fascination with men in tights.

Ironsight wrote:
All you have done is recycle other people's arguments. And thank you for the suggestions, but I've never had any fascination with men in tights.

Not true, this were all my opinions.
I first read what people think, some defend and some accuse it.
You can only say that I "recycle other people's arguments" if I didn't read the actual story and only belive what others say.
But I did read the stories, and I say: Warhammer doesn't need superheroes who can carve the names of their master in one of the most powerful Daemons ou there or raise their cities to the ground in their own reality.
I started to love Warhammer because of the reality implemented there ( Space Marines are awesome but can die to, Daemons can also be killed by lone Guardsman ).
I like more the old Grey Knights then the new ones. You like the new ones, there is difference of the opinion and we are both right in our own accord.



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Ironsight wrote:

Ceramite is especially useful for its heat-resistant qualities. It's far from inconceivable that a marine could take a shot from a plasma weapon and continue the fight with little issue.
The particular wargear you are indirectly referring too is a crystal array, not armor. With a grand range of 12", and only being able to be taken on a maximum of two T3 platforms, the Ulumeathi Plasma Syphon is hardly a "F*** you" to anyone.

A Moderator wrote:No swearing in pictures, please!

Despite claiming to have read the book several times,

You insist that Draigo waltzed into the Eye of Terror and beat Mortarion into submission at the center of his power, when that definitely didn’t happen,

You claim that the Sisters on Van Horne were butchered and their remains mutilated, but no clues at all are given to the nature of their deaths,

You believe that the Chaos Gods go into convulsions whenever Draigo wanders in their direction, when the only reason they haven’t diverted the infinitesimally small fraction of their attention required to kill him is because he is more amusing kept alive,

You pursue the idea that the book is ridiculously overpowered, despite the fact that players with far more tabletop experience than you or I and even others who boast their deposition of Ward for his lore agree that it is one of the most balanced books currently available.

None of these would be issues had you approached the codex from an impartial stand point. Instead, like too many others you sought answers from the most bitter crowd, and allowed them to color your opinion for you. It doesn’t matter how many times you read the book until you shake off this implanted idea that Ward is nothing more than a sputtering idiot and listen to people with a bit more than second- and third-hand familiarity with the book’s content.

Brother Coa wrote:

I saw the picture, but I don't understand what you mean by it.

Brother Coa wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:So you really have no source for it?

Except rumors no...even new BT codex is just a rumor.
But I wouldn't be surprised if Matt Ward write it. He already wrote Grey Knights...
And ask purplefood, he also told me this...

1)Coa i was kidding...
2)MAt Ward isn't as bad as people think
3)You seriously need to stop using ID4chan as a source...

Ironsight makes a very valid argument, now, can please leave it at that? The topic has been debated so many times, any possible further input will be cut off when the thread is locked if it continues.