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all good advice i must say. my list isn't up to scratch but i'll update it today. i do want marbo/counts as marbo in my list, surely he'll help?

psyklone wrote:As an ork player, couldnt agree more with the denying them the charge. We lose 1 attack per model (which is usually heaps), and probably have to now roll 5s to wound!.

This is one of the most key components of defeating orks.

It gets more tricky when all the orks are hiding in BW's, but the base idea still stands.

labmouse42 wrote:

psyklone wrote:As an ork player, couldnt agree more with the denying them the charge. We lose 1 attack per model (which is usually heaps), and probably have to now roll 5s to wound!.

This is one of the most key components of defeating orks.

It gets more tricky when all the orks are hiding in BW's, but the base idea still stands.

When going against a BW list, the trick is to focus fire the BW with the KFF. Stunning, immoblilizing it or destroying it will slow the BW advances and allow you to make flanking manouevers.

i think straken gets counter charge if i remember rightly (he is in my list too) i m glad too see grenade launchers will do well, as i want a vet squad with them, backed up with harker. will penal leigon help in anyway? because i was hopeing to have them aswell. perhaps as a meat shield? also i need another heavy slot as i have only the one (vanquisher) bassies seem useless becaus eof the cover save the kff gives, but then again i can't remember how much of a save the kff gives

Get as many battlecannons as possible they maul most ork lists.

Penal legion can be useful (think of them as being much like an ork mob) due to sheer numbers, and depending on what kind of loonytune they are they might get another edge in there somewhere.

KFF is a 5+ cover on non-vehicles, obscured on vehicles.

Battlecannons make greenskins cry, and then loot them after the battle is over, Gork willing..

HELLHOUNDS!!! They can project their spray up to 12" before they put the template down.