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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/28 06:50:16
Subject: the concept of an after life
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Brother Coa wrote:RatBot wrote:That is the point.
That's the whole point.
It's possible that maybe the Emperor can somehow protect the souls of men, but the whole point is that the forces of "good" struggle in vain against the forces of evil.
The Dark Eldar will eventually be stuck in Comorragh, cannibalizing each other's souls until they are all dead and the last Dark Eldar's soul is eaten by Slaanesh.
The Eldar will eventually be wiped out, trapped forever in soul stones or eaten by Slaanesh.
The Imperium will eventually collapse into anarchy, splintered, feudal kingdoms at the mercy of Chaos, Orks, Tyranids, and Necrons.
The Tau, an insignificant blip in a corner of the galaxy will be snuffed out as nothing.
The Chaos gods, now without souls to consume, will wither into nothing.
The Tyranids and Necrons will, separately, scour all remaining life from the galaxy, down to the last plant, the last microbe, the last Ork spore.
The Tyranids will then leave the galaxy to find another to consume.
The Necrons will seal off the Warp as the Warp is dangerous to them, and, with all life in the galaxy eradicated, will sleep again for millions of years.
That's the whole point of 40K. There is no happy ending, there is no hope. It's probably the most nihilistic setting I've ever seen. Anything sentient, with thoughts, feelings, hope, aspirations is doomed to oblivion. The only things that will survive are the mindless horrors of the galaxy; the Necrons and the Tyranids. Perhaps the Chaos gods will find another galaxy full of mortals to toy with. But no Eldar, Tau, or human will exist. The only hope exists in the myths of men and Eldar; that the Emperor can protect their souls, which is by no means a given as they might get eaten by Chaos. This is merely a belief held by humanity with no evidence of truth.
The only hope for the Eldar is that, when they are all dead, their spirits will merge and a new god will be born who will destroy Slaanesh and restart the Eldar race.
Similarly, there are two possibilities that give hope to humanity:
1.)From Lexicanum: "After the defeat of Horus, most of the Emperor's soul is said to have dispersed from his body, merging into the warp in much the same way as that of the shamans, so many millenia before. It is believed that the Emperor - while apparently designed and empowered by the shamans to live forever - also possesses their ability to reincarnate, and that this would be his eventual goal. Avoiding discovery by the Chaos powers, it is believed that the Emperor was able to plant the seed of his reincarnation, a potential new soul awaiting birth: The Star Child. However, it is also believed that this new soul cannot be born while the Emperor is still tied to the Golden Throne, no matter how tenuously."
2.)From Lexicanum: "There is a another possibility given for the Emperor's resurrection/rebirth. A hidden group that call themselves the Illuminati have learned from the Eldar's Black Library many truths of Chaos, as well as about the Sensei and the Fall of the Eldar. They realise the Emperor cannot survive in his current state forever, and eventually he will fail, and without the Emperor, Mankind will fall to Chaos like the Eldar. Such an event would create a fifth God of Chaos and create another Eye of Terror, one which would span the entire Imperium. They seek to prevent this by bringing about the rebirth of the Emperor.
This involves gathering together the Sensei, protecting them from the Inquisition, preparing them for what they claim is "the final war with Chaos." In truth they ultimately plan to sacrifice the Sensei (direct children of the Emperor) to the Emperor, in the same way so many psykers have been consumed by the Emperor. The Emperor will be renewed, reborn as the Sensei-Emperor to again lead his race in person."
But will these things happen? No one is sure. And if the Eldar prophecy proves to be true, well... that's not going to help mankind a whole lot. It's also not going to do a shred of good for every human who has died and had their souls eaten by the Ruinous Powers. I don't know if the Sensei/Star Child/Illuminati thing is still canon. If not, well, then I reiterate my previous statement: Humanity is completely fethed.
No, the point is that Good will triumph in the end. No matter how Grim - Dark situation is. And don't believe Chaos propaganda, there is no indication that EVERY soul in the galaxy goes to them, almost every emotion is but soul is something entirely different. And it is my assumption that Chaos Gods must first claim souls ( like getting the people on their side and then using them to get even more souls trough bloodshed ). Just like the SoB and the people of the Imperium feed the Emperor with their prayers, so those Chaos followers feed Chaos gods. And the universal rule there is that your soul is going to the good you have been praying for or to the other god if one of his champions claim your soul ( exceptions are Grey Knight to this rule ).
It was a tide battle until M41, when Tau, Tyranids and Necrons appear, and when some Orks decide to unite and rampage galaxy and when Dark Eldar got some balls and raid Segmentum main Navy port. They are all trolling the Imperium
i have to say your statment is quite biest to the imperium i think that RatBot is quite acurate in the fate of the races
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/02 03:04:55
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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Is it explicitly stated anywhere in the background fluff that the consciousness of any sapient being is absorbed by the warp upon their death? If that were the case, why should the powers of Chaos bother corrupting or killing?
It may just be that I'm carrying humanistic assumptions into Warhammer 40,000, but my assumption would be that the dead of the 41st millennium, aside from those specifically devoured by daemons or who have (in whatever fashion) "sold their souls" to Chaos, are simply dead and gone. There are a lot of obvious and deliberate parallels between the Imperial cult and Christianity, but I don't recall any specific discussion of an "afterlife" in background fiction.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/02 03:09:14
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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English Assassin wrote:Is it explicitly stated anywhere in the background fluff that the consciousness of any sapient being is absorbed by the warp upon their death? If that were the case, why should the powers of Chaos bother corrupting or killing?
It may just be that I'm carrying humanistic assumptions into Warhammer 40,000, but my assumption would be that the dead of the 41st millennium, aside from those specifically devoured by daemons or who have (in whatever fashion) "sold their souls" to Chaos, are simply dead and gone. There are a lot of obvious and deliberate parallels between the Imperial cult and Christianity, but I don't recall any specific discussion of an "afterlife" in background fiction.
Eldar codex, page 14, under "Spirit Stones."
Am too lazy to type out what it says exactly, but basically says that Eldar who die without their Spirit Stone have their souls sucked into the Warp, and while this fate is meaningless to humans, virtually no human having a mind strong enough to retain sentience, for the Eldar they do, and the fate is horrible at the hands of Slaanesh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/02 03:11:53
Subject: the concept of an after life
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Forgot about the Eldar, though the way that's presented always inclined me to view them as the exception rather than the rule, having, in some way, pledged themselves as a genus to Slannesh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/02 03:23:13
Subject: the concept of an after life
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English Assassin wrote:Forgot about the Eldar, though the way that's presented always inclined me to view them as the exception rather than the rule, having, in some way, pledged themselves as a genus to Slannesh.
It states the same happens to humans, but they don't "live," so I guess it is not a true afterlife.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/02 06:01:16
Subject: the concept of an after life
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Brother Coa wrote:Afer Life = your soul is going into the Warp to feed the Chaos Gods.
Except Humans - they have Emperor to safeguard their souls.
And Warp IS hell. Don't know about haven, we didn't see that dimension, yet.
Depends on who youre talking too. The warp iz where da best fightin iz.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/02 14:10:10
Subject: the concept of an after life
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Void__Dragon wrote:English Assassin wrote:Forgot about the Eldar, though the way that's presented always inclined me to view them as the exception rather than the rule, having, in some way, pledged themselves as a genus to Slannesh.
It states the same happens to humans, but they don't "live," so I guess it is not a true afterlife.
If the inference thus to be drawn is that the consciousness of other species merely dissolve into oblivion as echoes in the warp, rather than remaining aware, then yes, that's a very important distinction. There's a significant difference between the immaterium being a dimension shaped by the thoughts and emotions of sapient beings, and it being a mythological hell in which the souls of every man, ork, tau and hive tyrant are subject to intimate and pitchfork-related torments at the hands of cackling fiends.
(I don't have any of the Eldar codices, so my knowledge of their background is based primarily upon the snippets which accompany the army lists in the Rogue Trader-era Compendium and Compilation - these very specifically attribute the fate of dead Eldar to their psychic natures and their race's part in bringing Slannesh into being.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/02 19:26:59
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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English Assassin wrote:Is it explicitly stated anywhere in the background fluff that the consciousness of any sapient being is absorbed by the warp upon their death? If that were the case, why should the powers of Chaos bother corrupting or killing?
It may just be that I'm carrying humanistic assumptions into Warhammer 40,000, but my assumption would be that the dead of the 41st millennium, aside from those specifically devoured by daemons or who have (in whatever fashion) "sold their souls" to Chaos, are simply dead and gone. There are a lot of obvious and deliberate parallels between the Imperial cult and Christianity, but I don't recall any specific discussion of an "afterlife" in background fiction.
Humans have no afterlife because our souls are too weak to retain form once they are released into the warp. A human who dies peacefully in their sleep is probably barely a crumb for a warp creature.
The Eldar are singled out as being different. Their psychic presence is strong, and they retain consciousness and identity after death. They were once capable of reincarnation, when the warp was a quieter place, but now Slaanesh is on an Eldar feeding frenzy. Any Eldar soul that enters the warp rather than a spirit stone upon death makes a terrified, squirming snack for Slaanesh and his/her minions.
So I think that's the big difference, and the reason why Chaos is so interested in corruption and pestilence and violence and war. If humans are going to feed them at all upon death, they need to die in agony and terror. The Gods and their minions need mankind to suffer so that they can survive. Daemons entering realspace to eat human souls are really just going straight to the source, devouring us while our souls are still intact and terrified.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/02 22:34:56
Subject: the concept of an after life
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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English Assassin wrote:Void__Dragon wrote:English Assassin wrote:Forgot about the Eldar, though the way that's presented always inclined me to view them as the exception rather than the rule, having, in some way, pledged themselves as a genus to Slannesh.
It states the same happens to humans, but they don't "live," so I guess it is not a true afterlife.
If the inference thus to be drawn is that the consciousness of other species merely dissolve into oblivion as echoes in the warp, rather than remaining aware, then yes, that's a very important distinction. There's a significant difference between the immaterium being a dimension shaped by the thoughts and emotions of sapient beings, and it being a mythological hell in which the souls of every man, ork, tau and hive tyrant are subject to intimate and pitchfork-related torments at the hands of cackling fiends.
(I don't have any of the Eldar codices, so my knowledge of their background is based primarily upon the snippets which accompany the army lists in the Rogue Trader-era Compendium and Compilation - these very specifically attribute the fate of dead Eldar to their psychic natures and their race's part in bringing Slannesh into being.)
I would think a powerful human psyker could retain their consciousness rather than be dissolved in the Warp.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/03 05:04:43
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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it states in the daemon codex that furies (the suckiest daemons in the codex) roam the Formless wastes, devouring the vast soul-swarms there, comprised of biliions of billions of souls. They eat the souls until a greater daemon shoos them away so it can have some.
So, where do these billions of billions of souls come from?
Eldar- they got spirit stones, so no.
Necrons- no souls to nom.
Tau- there aren't that many tau, besides, they're psychically neutral.
Tyranids don't have souls
Orks...no psychic presence.
Dark eldar: there wouldn't be swarms, Slaanesh just eats them.
Jokaero: ok, I'm almost kidding with this one. there aren't enough, obviously.
Followers of Chaos: this is the formless wastes, remember? chaos, but unowned by any one god. The souls of unaligned chaos followers turn into furies, aligned ones get eaten by the chaos god they followed.
So, humans are the only real candidate for these soul-swarms. Sometimes the emperor doesn't protect, mostly because he's too busy maintaining the astronomican and keeping the daemons at bay (sort of) to save the souls of every single human that dies in the whole freaking imperium He's too busy to save the souls of just the imperial guard, or even the space marines! and the grey knights don't need saving, when they get to the warp, they regroup and kill more daemons. (thanks to whoever's sig I stole that from) To be honest, the best race for what happens after death is probably the eldar. They get caught by the spirit stone and put into the infinity circuit. sucks to be an anything but an eldar in the 41st millennium.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/03 05:08:30
Subject: the concept of an after life
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Which is saying a lot because it's mighty sucky to be an Eldar.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/03 23:40:10
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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amen. though, daemons don't die either. The only way their consciousness can be obliterated is if their chaos god re-absorbs them. So, if you're anything but a daemon of tzeentch, you're safe. So, if you're a human and you want to live forever, get infected with nurgle's rot and become a plaguebearer! or worship a chaos god until you become a daemon prince (and hopefully not a spawn)
I don't see your Corpse- emperor giving anyone immortality. OOOOHHHHH
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/04 00:11:35
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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SnaleKing wrote:Orks...no psychic presence.
Orkz are massively psychic.
But their souls probably fuel Gork and Mork, rather than the Chaos Gods.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/04 00:53:31
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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orks are psychic? my mistake. I am not very well versed on the orks, or their gods. Though, I think the orks help khorne a great deal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/04 00:56:01
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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SnaleKing wrote:orks are psychic? my mistake. I am not very well versed on the orks, or their gods. Though, I think the orks help khorne a great deal.
They don't help Khorne. All their violence goes to Gork and Mork.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/04 01:00:04
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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SnaleKing wrote:amen. though, daemons don't die either. The only way their consciousness can be obliterated is if their chaos god re-absorbs them. So, if you're anything but a daemon of tzeentch, you're safe. So, if you're a human and you want to live forever, get infected with nurgle's rot and become a plaguebearer! or worship a chaos god until you become a daemon prince (and hopefully not a spawn)
I don't see your Corpse- emperor giving anyone immortality. OOOOHHHHH
The Emperor protects.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/04 01:02:31
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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SnaleKing wrote:orks are psychic? my mistake. I am not very well versed on the orks, or their gods. Though, I think the orks help khorne a great deal.
All Orkz are latently psychic, and in numbers their gestahlt psyker field is capable of great things. For instance, if they paint a vehicle red, because the Orkz think that a red vehicle should go faster, it WILL go faster. Ork vehicles are capable of running for an undetermined time without fuel, at least, until an Ork notices the tank is, in fact, empty. Their technology is similarly made more reliable due to their massive psychic field. While a slugga can be used by a human, it would jam often, and stuff, but not in the hands of an Ork.
Weirdboyz are the most psychic of Orkz, or rather, they can project the massive power of the Waaagh! field as powerful blasts, they can teleport, etc. Really, they are some of the most powerful psykers in the setting, Weirdboyz are, although their powers are unstable, having a chance of simply exploding the head of the Weirdboy and everyone around him.
And nah, it fuels Gork and Mork, who are stronger than the Chaos Gods by a good margin. They shrug off their attacks with a laugh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/04 01:45:34
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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Void__Dragon wrote:SnaleKing wrote:orks are psychic? my mistake. I am not very well versed on the orks, or their gods. Though, I think the orks help khorne a great deal.
All Orkz are latently psychic, and in numbers their gestahlt psyker field is capable of great things. For instance, if they paint a vehicle red, because the Orkz think that a red vehicle should go faster, it WILL go faster. Ork vehicles are capable of running for an undetermined time without fuel, at least, until an Ork notices the tank is, in fact, empty. Their technology is similarly made more reliable due to their massive psychic field. While a slugga can be used by a human, it would jam often, and stuff, but not in the hands of an Ork.
Weirdboyz are the most psychic of Orkz, or rather, they can project the massive power of the Waaagh! field as powerful blasts, they can teleport, etc. Really, they are some of the most powerful psykers in the setting, Weirdboyz are, although their powers are unstable, having a chance of simply exploding the head of the Weirdboy and everyone around him.
And nah, it fuels Gork and Mork, who are stronger than the Chaos Gods by a good margin. They shrug off their attacks with a laugh.
I cede some ground to you. You have argued this point well on multiple threads. Though, I believe that chaos undivided beats the orks. And it says in either lexicanum or warhammer40k.wikia that khorne sometimes empowers the orks to go on WAAAUGH!s. I don't see why he would do that if it didn't make him more powerful.
LumenPraebeo wrote:SnaleKing wrote:amen. though, daemons don't die either. The only way their consciousness can be obliterated is if their chaos god re-absorbs them. So, if you're anything but a daemon of tzeentch, you're safe. So, if you're a human and you want to live forever, get infected with nurgle's rot and become a plaguebearer! or worship a chaos god until you become a daemon prince (and hopefully not a spawn)
I don't see your Corpse- emperor giving anyone immortality. OOOOHHHHH
The Emperor protects.
until you die. then, you join the soul-swarms in the warp and are eaten by furies.
sorry for all my hatin', I'm the argumentative type.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/04 01:51:52
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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Void__Dragon wrote:SnaleKing wrote:orks are psychic? my mistake. I am not very well versed on the orks, or their gods. Though, I think the orks help khorne a great deal.
All Orkz are latently psychic, and in numbers their gestahlt psyker field is capable of great things. For instance, if they paint a vehicle red, because the Orkz think that a red vehicle should go faster, it WILL go faster. Ork vehicles are capable of running for an undetermined time without fuel, at least, until an Ork notices the tank is, in fact, empty. Their technology is similarly made more reliable due to their massive psychic field. While a slugga can be used by a human, it would jam often, and stuff, but not in the hands of an Ork. Weirdboyz are the most psychic of Orkz, or rather, they can project the massive power of the Waaagh! field as powerful blasts, they can teleport, etc. Really, they are some of the most powerful psykers in the setting, Weirdboyz are, although their powers are unstable, having a chance of simply exploding the head of the Weirdboy and everyone around him. And nah, it fuels Gork and Mork, who are stronger than the Chaos Gods by a good margin. They shrug off their attacks with a laugh. but they are unaware of it,unlike eldar and tyranids.hive tyrants are aware at least as are biotitans and i now agree that orks are deadly.if they all believe there invulnerable they are.thatws why waaaghs are so hard to stop.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/04 01:58:44
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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Orks' psychic abilities are interesting, in that they are subconscious, except for the weirdboyz. All the orks go "it's red, so it's GOTTA go faster!" so they subconsciously make it go faster. Like many of my dice-rolling techniques,(blowing into them, rolling important ones one at a time) except actually working.
... orks would be the best warhammer 40k'ers ever. sixes every time.
good thing they don't have the patience to sit through a 2 hour game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/04 02:01:31
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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SnaleKing wrote: I cede some ground to you. You have argued this point well on multiple threads. Though, I believe that chaos undivided beats the orks. And it says in either lexicanum or warhammer40k.wikia that khorne sometimes empowers the orks to go on WAAAUGH!s. I don't see why he would do that if it didn't make him more powerful.
Huh, I haven't heard that.
Can you get me the link for this?
And nah, Orkz are far more numerous, and their Warboss would be so powerful as to render the God Emperor irrelevant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/04 02:13:12
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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gladly! I will edit this post to put the link in when I find it.
btw, did you know that cntrl+f "orks" turns up a lot of results... but they're all "games w orkshop"?
oh, and here's why orks don't fear death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaela_Mensha_Khaine
ok, I can't find where I read that. not via google & control+f, anyways. feel free to dismiss what I said before.
silly me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/04 02:29:23
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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SnaleKing wrote: gladly! I will edit this post to put the link in when I find it.
btw, did you know that cntrl+f "orks" turns up a lot of results... but they're all "games w orkshop"?
oh, and here's why orks don't fear death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaela_Mensha_Khaine
ok, I can't find where I read that. not via google & control+f, anyways. feel free to dismiss what I said before.
silly me.
Yeah, I know, the Nightbringer did not taint the Krork as they were known then with the fear of death.
Which is weird, since fluff clearly shows Orkz can fear death.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/04 03:22:44
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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maybe they mean the fear of Death, capital D, as in the Grim Reaper. It claims that that's where humanity got the image and concept of the reaper from. This is from the necron codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/05 14:33:17
Subject: the concept of an after life
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For Imperial humans it's your soul joining with that of the Emperor.
For Eldar it's your soul becoming one with the infinity circuit of your craftworld/maiden world.
For Dark Eldar it's Slaanesh devouring your soul, or a state of limbo while a Haemonculi 'rebuilds' you.
For Tyranids we can assume it's pretty much non-existent, as 'nids lack souls.
For Chaos it is your soul joining with the forces of or the soul of your patron God.
For Tau it is a mystery, although I would assume it is believed to be something in aid of the Greater Good.
For Orks it is likely becoming one with Gork and Mork or simply dissipating into the Warp.
For everyone else, it's your soul going to Chaos.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/06 00:17:06
Subject: the concept of an after life
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Abstract Catalyst wrote:For Imperial humans it's your soul joining with that of the Emperor.
For Eldar it's your soul becoming one with the infinity circuit of your craftworld/maiden world.
For Dark Eldar it's Slaanesh devouring your soul, or a state of limbo while a Haemonculi 'rebuilds' you.
For Tyranids we can assume it's pretty much non-existent, as 'nids lack souls.
For Chaos it is your soul joining with the forces of or the soul of your patron God.
For Tau it is a mystery, although I would assume it is believed to be something in aid of the Greater Good.
For Orks it is likely becoming one with Gork and Mork or simply dissipating into the Warp.
For everyone else, it's your soul going to Chaos.
Imperials joining with the Emperor is not confirmed canon, only propaganda.
The Tau get assimilated by Chaos as well.
You forgot the Necrons by the way, who just don't "die" anymore.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/06 13:06:59
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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SnaleKing wrote:it states in the daemon codex that furies (the suckiest daemons in the codex) roam the Formless wastes, devouring the vast soul-swarms there, comprised of biliions of billions of souls. They eat the souls until a greater daemon shoos them away so it can have some.
So, where do these billions of billions of souls come from?
Eldar- they got spirit stones, so no.
Necrons- no souls to nom.
Tau- there aren't that many tau, besides, they're psychically neutral.
Tyranids don't have souls
Orks...no psychic presence.
Dark eldar: there wouldn't be swarms, Slaanesh just eats them.
Jokaero: ok, I'm almost kidding with this one. there aren't enough, obviously.
Followers of Chaos: this is the formless wastes, remember? chaos, but unowned by any one god. The souls of unaligned chaos followers turn into furies, aligned ones get eaten by the chaos god they followed.
So, humans are the only real candidate for these soul-swarms. Sometimes the emperor doesn't protect, mostly because he's too busy maintaining the astronomican and keeping the daemons at bay (sort of) to save the souls of every single human that dies in the whole freaking imperium He's too busy to save the souls of just the imperial guard, or even the space marines! and the grey knights don't need saving, when they get to the warp, they regroup and kill more daemons. (thanks to whoever's sig I stole that from) To be honest, the best race for what happens after death is probably the eldar. They get caught by the spirit stone and put into the infinity circuit. sucks to be an anything but an eldar in the 41st millennium.
Well, I read the daemons' codex for the first time, and it is indeed terrible, turning the the imaginative, metaphor-laden Realm of Chaos into an off-brand Mordor. It's worth noting also that its rather bland descriptions contradict pretty much every other published statement on the nature of the warp, so I'd be inclined not to take them as literally as you have.
Also: Tau, Orks and synapse Tyranids are all sapient (and distinct from pariahs - none of them are, for instance, immune to pyschic powers) and thus I see no reason why they should not create a reflection in the warp, given that it supposedly reflects the emotions and dreams of all intelligent beings. Certainly in the case of the Tyranids that's pretty much confirmed - the shadow in the warp is created by the presence of their vast and utterly alien hive mind.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/06 15:57:54
Subject: the concept of an after life
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Reliable Krootox
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Void__Dragon wrote:Abstract Catalyst wrote:For Imperial humans it's your soul joining with that of the Emperor.
For Eldar it's your soul becoming one with the infinity circuit of your craftworld/maiden world.
For Dark Eldar it's Slaanesh devouring your soul, or a state of limbo while a Haemonculi 'rebuilds' you.
For Tyranids we can assume it's pretty much non-existent, as 'nids lack souls.
For Chaos it is your soul joining with the forces of or the soul of your patron God.
For Tau it is a mystery, although I would assume it is believed to be something in aid of the Greater Good.
For Orks it is likely becoming one with Gork and Mork or simply dissipating into the Warp.
For everyone else, it's your soul going to Chaos.
Imperials joining with the Emperor is not confirmed canon, only propaganda.
The Tau get assimilated by Chaos as well.
You forgot the Necrons by the way, who just don't "die" anymore.
Fair enough, okay, Imperial Humans either get saved by the Emperor or have their souls flayed by the Chaos God's/Daemons like everyone else. I assumed Tau went to Chaos, it's just I dare-say they believe that their deaths aid the Greater Good in some way.
And I knew I forgot something, of well, as you say, Necrons don't die.
Basically, if you die - you fuel Chaos.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/06 16:22:57
Subject: the concept of an after life
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Abstract Catalyst wrote:Void__Dragon wrote:Abstract Catalyst wrote:For Imperial humans it's your soul joining with that of the Emperor.
For Eldar it's your soul becoming one with the infinity circuit of your craftworld/maiden world.
For Dark Eldar it's Slaanesh devouring your soul, or a state of limbo while a Haemonculi 'rebuilds' you.
For Tyranids we can assume it's pretty much non-existent, as 'nids lack souls.
For Chaos it is your soul joining with the forces of or the soul of your patron God.
For Tau it is a mystery, although I would assume it is believed to be something in aid of the Greater Good.
For Orks it is likely becoming one with Gork and Mork or simply dissipating into the Warp.
For everyone else, it's your soul going to Chaos.
Imperials joining with the Emperor is not confirmed canon, only propaganda.
The Tau get assimilated by Chaos as well.
You forgot the Necrons by the way, who just don't "die" anymore.
Fair enough, okay, Imperial Humans either get saved by the Emperor or have their souls flayed by the Chaos God's/Daemons like everyone else. I assumed Tau went to Chaos, it's just I dare-say they believe that their deaths aid the Greater Good in some way.
And I knew I forgot something, of well, as you say, Necrons don't die.
Basically, if you die - you fuel Chaos.
You know the grim darkness also means its bad for everyone, Including chaos.
All races and beings are screwed. INCLUDING Necrons and Tyranids. Because something eviler is coming.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/10 05:41:15
Subject: Re:the concept of an after life
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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again I feel like I must say this- the corpse-emperor does not save human souls. When humans die, their souls join massive soul-swarms in the warp, which are eaten by furies and other daemons. Also, I was wrong about orks- they are massively psychic, as a group.
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