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RiTides wrote:Stay after the credits!!! if you go see it. There's a scene at the very end



You mean like in every other DC/Marvel film released in the last decade?

Le sigh.

This one doesnt look good enough for the big screen, Im gonna wait for DvD

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4M2A wrote:No as I said the technology would be different but we could build a personal suit. As far as we know antigravity are impossible.

As I also explained whether it's possible isn't my main problem. The issue I have is that a technology which could be very useful has dissappeared. If they introduced it in Capt America and they had people driving grav cars in ironman I would have no issues. I understand it's a fantasy setting but I would like it if they could keep some continuity between movies.


Except it wasn't introduced, or at least not in any meaningful way. All that was introduced was that Tony's dad figured out the base formula but as we can tell from how things progressed he lacked the technology to actual implement it. This is not unusual in the world of inventing and discovery. We come up with ideas all the time that are beyond our means at the moment, but later on down the line another invention may make them feasible again. The tech didn't disappear, it just had no practical way of making it work until the ark reactor technology was created, then miniaturized.

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I saw it on saturday night. I absolutely loved it. No complaints what-so-ever. Everything about it made me proud to be an American

Oh, and the agent lady was unbelievably attractive. She has that classic sort of beauty (although white powder and red lipstick certainly goes a long way) that really made the movie for me.


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Ahtman wrote:
4M2A wrote:No as I said the technology would be different but we could build a personal suit. As far as we know antigravity are impossible.

As I also explained whether it's possible isn't my main problem. The issue I have is that a technology which could be very useful has dissappeared. If they introduced it in Capt America and they had people driving grav cars in ironman I would have no issues. I understand it's a fantasy setting but I would like it if they could keep some continuity between movies.


Except it wasn't introduced, or at least not in any meaningful way. All that was introduced was that Tony's dad figured out the base formula but as we can tell from how things progressed he lacked the technology to actual implement it. This is not unusual in the world of inventing and discovery. We come up with ideas all the time that are beyond our means at the moment, but later on down the line another invention may make them feasible again. The tech didn't disappear, it just had no practical way of making it work until the ark reactor technology was created, then miniaturized.


Ahtman has hit it on the head.

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http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810026349/video/26092350

Cap clip -- spoiler ahoy ! -- and The Avenger "teaser"..

.. which I must admit did have me geek out a little bit

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reds8n wrote:http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810026349/video/26092350

Cap clip -- spoiler ahoy ! -- and The Avenger "teaser"..

.. which I must admit did have me geek out a little bit


If you watch "The Avengers" teaser here, you dont need to stay til after the credits...

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All right, so this longtime Cap fan saw the movie over the weekend. Overall I thought it was pretty solid. It wasn't nearly the movie it could have been IMO, but it was much, much better than I expected it to be when it was first announced. Cap source material is just fantastic...with a grittier, Saving Private Ryan approach and more adult themes, the movie might have moved into TDK territory. But kids were an important audience for this one, and they were hamstrung somewhat by the movie needing to be the Avengers lead-in. So I understand.

Here are some random, more specific thoughts:

Spoiler:
- Some of the story choices were interesting. They went with the "Skull-as-failed-SS serum-experiment", which is something out of that terrible Cap movie from the early '90s. I get the reasons why they went that route, but think that TDK showed that the villain doesn't have to be a physical match for the hero anyway. And it wasn't like there was much doubt that the Skull would lose even with the serum, which is a minor problem for the film in general. Would have liked to see an unenhanced but more menacing Skull with a mask instead of a ruined face, methinks.

- I get the reasons why they drew the lines between the Skull/Hydra and Hitler/Nazis. Box office aside, you want to be able to use the same bad guys again in later movies, which you can't do as well when they're Nazis. And the writers also didn't want to make it be a "Cap wins the war" thing and take anything away from the real heroes fighting Hitler. But IMO the defining feature of the Red Skull is that he's a Nazi...in fact, what makes his background story so good is that it's a weird, twisted parallel of Steve Rogers'. As the story goes, Hitler was in a hotel ranting at his staff, when he says he could make a better Nazi out the bellhop (Schmidt). Hitler sees the hate in the bellhop's eyes, decides to prove his point, and personally oversees his training. Rest is history. I think the film is worse off with the approach they took.

- Hydra itself seemed more like a mashup of Hydra and AIM, but that works fine for the movie.

- Overall, they did a good job grounding the character as much as they could, given the context of the Marvel films. The Cap-as-propganda-weapon is a very realistic take on how the government would employ Rogers, and an explanation why their only super-soldier wears a flag into combat.

- Really want to see an extended version of the movie. The Howling Commandos deserved more screen time, and in fact the entire second half of the movie seemed a bit condensed. Methinks a lot was left on the cutting room floor. Interesting that the British member of the Commandos was named not for the original character, but for the guy who became Union Jack (Montgomery Falsworth). With the Human Torch's oufit seen in the World's Fair sequence, the Invaders had a presence in the movie, albeit an extremely subtle one.

- There were a lot of other little easter eggs only for the comics fans. One of them was the close-up shot of Arnim Zola's face in the viewscreen. Of course, comics fans know Zola as the guy in a robot body with his face on a viewscreen in his chest. I'm fine with them not sticking with continuity on this one...Zola is a very weird villain.

- The inclusion of Gilmore Hodges (the bully in super-soldier training camp) was a nice nod to The Adventures of Captain America, a very good Cap origin story by Fabian Nicenza and Kevin Maguire from the early '90s. Still think that's one of the best treatments of the origin story around.

- Thanks to the "brain-scrambling" scene, the second Cap movie will almost certainly be the Winter Soldier story. That scene also means he'll likely a Hydra agent instead of a Russian agent. (Marvel seems to be taking great pains not to offend sensibilities of anyone in any countries with box-office potential, lol. ) The scene with him and the sniper rifle kinda sealed it, IMO. They also had a nice wink to current continuity when Bucky picked up the shield. The Winter Soldier story would also allow them to work in more WWII action in flashbacks among the modern-day stuff, which I think would be cool. Assuming this all happens, the sequel has a good chance to be a better movie than the original, a la Spidey/Spidey 2.

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Sorry this is off topic, but speaking of Spiderman, what's up with the Spiderman reboot? I mean seriously? The last one was only like 5 years ago.

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MandalorynOranj wrote:Sorry this is off topic, but speaking of Spiderman, what's up with the Spiderman reboot? I mean seriously? The last one was only like 5 years ago.


Sony has to make one every so often or they license reverts back to Marvel Comics so they rushed one out. The group from the first three didn't want to do any more so they started over.

The Adventures of Captain America

Hell yeah. It took me a couple years to get all 4 of those. I got the first 2 when they came out but 3 and 4 where a pain to find. Well worth it though.

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I thought it was quite good actually, I know some people screamed "NO!!" everytime he used a pistol but you don't actually see anyone get shot by him
I also like that love interest between him cap and agent carter, the whole thing between them wasn't taking up so much attention in the movie and I appreciate that

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Ahtman wrote:The Adventures of Captain America


Yeah, it's a great read and a bit of a hidden gem. I think they took a few cues from that series for the movie. Peggy/Hayley visually resembled Cindy from that book, and the Hydra guys with flamethrower arms were somewhat reminiscent of the Skull's super-soldiers who shot acid and electricity. Might be cool to see those three actually show up in another film. I was a little underwhelmed by the Skull's sidekicks.

Also shoulda added that I liked the characterization of Steve Rogers, and was thankful he wasn't like the Ultimates character. The movie Steve Rogers wasn't a ultrapatriot, but someone guided by his own strong moral principles. You can imagine him becoming Nomad, or the Captain, or disobeying orders as in Civil War.

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I thought overall it was a pretty good film, the thing that killed it for me was the propaganda bit in the middle (when he goes on tour). IMO, you could have cut that entire part of the movie out, and with a few minor alterations (consisting of a couple lines oof dialog) the entire move would have made sense, the story would remain intact, and you would have had more time for the Howling Commandos. IMO, that entire part of the film was unnecessary, added nothing real to the story, nor any value to the movie. You could just as easily have had the Senator dude tell Cap that America needed a war hero and he would see to it that Cap received a direct commission from the President and duty on the front lines. You would still have the animosity between Cap and the Colonel, etc. and you could easily explain the derision he received from the other soldiers with the typical 'mutant freak' sentiment so common in other marvel films, or even the fact that he's running around the battlefield in blue tights and he didn't earn his commission/rank, etc. His decision to covertly cross enemy lines would remain intact as well, the Colonel would still look down on him and deny the request for a relief attack against Hydra, knowing that Bucky was a PoW, Cap would still violate orders and do his thing, and prove that he's capable of doing his thing. It would work fine.

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I think it's there to explain why he isn't just a super soldier. It makes the transition from soldier to superhero easier. Without it makes no sense (not that it makes a lot of sense as it is) for him to wear an american flag into battle. He isn't the traditional supersoldier and that part explained why.

It also explains why people know who he is. As a hero his is very symbolic which wouldn't have come across if he just fought. I agree with you that it should have been shortened but they need to keep some of it.



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