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Looks okay. I'll get it eventually, but I kinda put the purchase on backburner once I found out that they removed the feature that allows a player to play a female character.


(Insert trolls bashing me for this below)

At least give us a reason to bash you. I for one can't see one, it's your choice.

So far so good. The facial animation isn't great but the voice acting is good and the story seems pretty good so far. I'm not happy with how dumbed down for console it feels. My problem so far is they removed the entire skill tree and now everything is just augmentations. They've gone with this overly flashy mass effect sorta vibe that doesn't thrill me. Because skills are now gone there's no more lock picking, multitools are also gone and everything is all about hacking and the problem with that is although you can "choose" not to augment yourself for hacking you pretty much have to which is a bit of a drag IMO. The game makes it perfectly clear that it's a stealth/cover shooter so why even have the options to go the other way with all out assault? It's like giving you a choice and then nagging you for hours about what a crappy choice you just made. It suffers from the same problem that the original deus ex had. You can kill like 30 dudes and apparently none of them pack more than a handful of bullets.

What I do like is they thankfully kept the inventory the same and you can even expand it now. A downside is health automatically regenerates and there's no medpack system, another casualty of being released on consoles. The biggest issue right now is the rediculous load times, I've got a beasty machine and the load times are 30-60 seconds. They claimed they moved to regenerative health because they felt having to look around for medpacks ruined the flow, but there is no flow because I die every few minutes and the long load times disrupt the flow far more than having to look for ways to patch yourself up.

Again, I'm only about 4 hours into the game so this cannot be considered a full review, I may even grow to like some of the changes. I still feel like I did after fallout 3 or oblivion, I feel would have liked these games more had they not been dumbed down for multi-platfrom release. Sometimes you need a keyboard and mouse..

Melissia wrote:... but I kinda put the purchase on backburner once I found out that they removed the feature that allows a player to play a female character.

That actually would have made the game more desirable for me, as well. At least in some respects -- I'd have to see how generic the character actually is. So, for example, a character like Shepherd from ME doesn't in my opinion really benefit too much by being of either gender (other than the throw-away romances). I think this is because he's actually got a pretty specific personality for a character that's supposed to be customisable. Action game protagonists often seem kind of bland and silent so a gender choice actually helps me get into it a bit more.

I am really enjoying this game. It reminds me of when I use to play the original DX. I opened a door with a shotgun. *troll face*

nomotog wrote:I am really enjoying this game. It reminds me of when I use to play the original DX. I opened a door with a shotgun. *troll face*

I'm pretty sure just about anything can be opened with proper application of force

Grundz wrote:

nomotog wrote:I am really enjoying this game. It reminds me of when I use to play the original DX. I opened a door with a shotgun. *troll face*

I'm pretty sure just about anything can be opened with proper application of force

I sure hope so. They don't highlight the doors only the locks, so I can only guess that doors are unbreakable, really strong or painted on. Too bad they don't let you punch open doors. (Far as I know.)

I'm busy throwing copying machines off balconies atm with super strength

Manchu wrote:

Melissia wrote:... but I kinda put the purchase on backburner once I found out that they removed the feature that allows a player to play a female character.

That actually would have made the game more desirable for me, as well. At least in some respects -- I'd have to see how generic the character actually is. So, for example, a character like Shepherd from ME doesn't in my opinion really benefit too much by being of either gender (other than the throw-away romances). I think this is because he's actually got a pretty specific personality for a character that's supposed to be customisable. Action game protagonists often seem kind of bland and silent so a gender choice actually helps me get into it a bit more.

I am glad they don't have a female option. I feel like I am playing a character, not some generic thing that can be altered to serve as my avatar. Jensen has a story to tell, that deals with his girlfriend etc. Switching this guy to a character that could be female or male would be like switching Nathan Drake in Uncharted from a man to a woman. The character isn't designed to be non-gender specific like how Alex D was in Deus Ex: Invisible War. In addition, Alex was also:

Melissia wrote:Looks okay. I'll get it eventually, but I kinda put the purchase on backburner once I found out that they removed the feature that allows a player to play a female character.

It doesn't seem like they ever planned on giving you that option (The original was supposed to, but they cut it due to voice acting constraints, and Invisible War did have this feature, but Alex wasn't exactly a memorable character by any means). Adam Jensen is actually a fairly well-defined character, with certain traits (as well as a few key storyline elements) that could only apply to a male. He's not some blank slate or tabula rasa, like most RPG characters are, and his personality always shows through, even though you have the option of influencing what he actually says and does. I couldn't possibly imagine Jensen being gender neutral; it would drastically change certain elements of the storyline. This is one of those rare times where this would actually hurt the game.

At the very least, you're still open to trying the game eventually. You really should, because it's quite excellent in pretty much every respect. I'm sure you'll still find it plenty immersive regardless of the lack of a gender option.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Manchu wrote:

Melissia wrote:... but I kinda put the purchase on backburner once I found out that they removed the feature that allows a player to play a female character.

That actually would have made the game more desirable for me, as well. At least in some respects -- I'd have to see how generic the character actually is. So, for example, a character like Shepherd from ME doesn't in my opinion really benefit too much by being of either gender (other than the throw-away romances). I think this is because he's actually got a pretty specific personality for a character that's supposed to be customisable. Action game protagonists often seem kind of bland and silent so a gender choice actually helps me get into it a bit more.

I am glad they don't have a female option. I feel like I am playing a character, not some generic thing that can be altered to serve as my avatar. Jensen has a story to tell, that deals with his girlfriend etc. Switching this guy to a character that could be female or male would be like switching Nathan Drake in Uncharted from a man to a woman. The character isn't designed to be non-gender specific like how Alex D was in Deus Ex: Invisible War. In addition, Alex was also:

Spoiler:

a clone of JC Denton. The gender change from female to male and vice versa actually went along with that story line. Sex is probably the easiest thing to manipulate in genetics since it required you to substitute one chromosome with another.

Erm not really... its a bit more complex than that. The X chromosome inherited has different genes activated than the other X from the mother.

I weakened and got it. Work were doing it for a good price, along with my discount card i got it 35% off retail, so no great loss.

*sigh* Yet another game to add to my list of games to get when I finally break down and buy a next gen console...

I bought my copy yesterday. I wont be with the computer on which I can play it for another fortnight yet. Meanwhile the DVD case burns a hole in my travel bag.

I love the fact that a shotgun can still do everything. I found a trick to get by heavy boxes. You can just shoot a few heavy rounds into them and they will be pushed out of the way. You can also still open doors with landmines. Oh such fun.

Been playing a bit and I like it okay. I've yet to encounter anything that makes me not feel bad for buying this at launch price, however.

Chrysaor686 wrote:It doesn't seem like they ever planned on giving you that option

Yeah, it blows.


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Lord Scythican wrote:I am glad they don't have a female option.

If they didn't have the female option, then I wish they just had a female lead period. Sadly, there's so few of those these days outside of indy games.

Which probably explains why I'm more into indy games to begin with these days.

Rented it yesterday as I was unsure about buying it. Only played it for 2 hours so far cos of other duties but I'm expecting to enjoy it!

What with this and the Space Marine demo that I finally got yesterday I shall be busy until 3pm. When the football kicks off :-p

Started playing last night (on the "Give me Deus Ex" difficulty of course) and played a bit more this morning, so far all I can really say is that it feels like the first game and that alone is enough for me. It's the small touches like the music and references to entities in the first game (eg Versalife) that really sell it.

As usual I'm playing in a stealthy try to kill as few people as possible manner. I'll probably go for a more psychopathic approach on my second run though.

Phototoxin wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Manchu wrote:

Melissia wrote:... but I kinda put the purchase on backburner once I found out that they removed the feature that allows a player to play a female character.

That actually would have made the game more desirable for me, as well. At least in some respects -- I'd have to see how generic the character actually is. So, for example, a character like Shepherd from ME doesn't in my opinion really benefit too much by being of either gender (other than the throw-away romances). I think this is because he's actually got a pretty specific personality for a character that's supposed to be customisable. Action game protagonists often seem kind of bland and silent so a gender choice actually helps me get into it a bit more.

I am glad they don't have a female option. I feel like I am playing a character, not some generic thing that can be altered to serve as my avatar. Jensen has a story to tell, that deals with his girlfriend etc. Switching this guy to a character that could be female or male would be like switching Nathan Drake in Uncharted from a man to a woman. The character isn't designed to be non-gender specific like how Alex D was in Deus Ex: Invisible War. In addition, Alex was also:

Spoiler:

a clone of JC Denton. The gender change from female to male and vice versa actually went along with that story line. Sex is probably the easiest thing to manipulate in genetics since it required you to substitute one chromosome with another.

Erm not really... its a bit more complex than that. The X chromosome inherited has different genes activated than the other X from the mother.

No gak man. Anyone who thinks my one sentence fully explained gender and genetics is a moron and your additional sentence...well it is a bit more complex than that. If we are talking about the complexity of the subject we would need a book.


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Melissia wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:I am glad they don't have a female option.

If they didn't have the female option, then I wish they just had a female lead period. Sadly, there's so few of those these days outside of indy games.

Which probably explains why I'm more into indy games to begin with these days.

Fair enough. I think there should be way more games with female leads. I like the option to choose as well, but sometimes it just doesn't fit. For instance, you know that new tomb raider game coming out? It would be stupid if I got to change the lead character into a male. The game should have a female character.

Dunno, I think certain girls would love to look at an Indiana Jones-esque tomb raider, with chiseled jawline and rugged looks.

Regardless of the existence of gay overtones... or in some cases, because of them in many cases.

Fanservice doesn't have to only run one way

Melissia wrote:Dunno, I think certain girls would love to look at an Indiana Jones-esque tomb raider, with chiseled jawline and rugged looks.

Regardless of the existence of gay overtones... or in some cases, because of them in many cases.

Fanservice doesn't have to only run one way

There is always Nathan Drake...

No no no, I was talking about Lara Croft as a MAN, not as Nathan Drake.

Melissia wrote:No no no, I was talking about Lara Croft as a MAN, not as Nathan Drake.

I don't know if I would like blue shirt and those shorts on a dude...actually I wouldn't.

Heh. No, I'm just saying that I was talking about a manly character, not that pathetic Mr. Nathan "No Personality" McBlandyPants Drake.

Melissia wrote:Heh. No, I'm just saying that I was talking about a manly character, not that pathetic Mr. Nathan "No Personality" McBlandyPants Drake.

Nathan Drake is as bland as James Bond, Lara Croft, and so on and on. Of course he also lacks personality just like every other videogame character in games that some people don't like.

It is a real same that we don't have more female leads in video games. It's also quite sad how they treat the female charters they do have. Poor chell doesn't even get to be in her own TV ad. She gets replaced by two random robots.

nomotog wrote:It is a real same that we don't have more female leads in video games. It's also quite sad how they treat the female charters they do have. Poor chell doesn't even get to be in her own TV ad. She gets replaced by two random robots.

Does the pyro in TF2 count as a female lead?

halonachos wrote:

nomotog wrote:It is a real same that we don't have more female leads in video games. It's also quite sad how they treat the female charters they do have. Poor chell doesn't even get to be in her own TV ad. She gets replaced by two random robots.

Does the pyro in TF2 count as a female lead?

No.

halonachos wrote:

Melissia wrote:Heh. No, I'm just saying that I was talking about a manly character, not that pathetic Mr. Nathan "No Personality" McBlandyPants Drake.

Nathan Drake is as bland as James Bond, Lara Croft, and so on and on. Of course he also lacks personality just like most other videogame character in games that some people don't like.

Fixed.

I would agree that most video game characters are bland generic boring essentially interchangable white guys, though.