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Erebus would be good.Or maybe the Gal Vorbak as suped up Possessed(I gave them as a retinue to Lorgar when I wrote my Daemon Primarch rules).

Deadshot wrote:There is omly 1 chapter that doesn't fall.The GK.Even ultramarines and BA turn.Surely it wouldn't be hard to stael a stormraven and have a daemon possess it.Or maybe a techmarine turns and knows the blueprints and bulids one.

There are currently only 2 known chapters that possess Stormraven's AFAIK; Blood Angels and Grey Knights. The Blood Angels do not turn in any significant numbers, let alone alongside such equipment. I doubt the Dark Mechanicus could come close to making another Stormraven just from possessing one; that's the thing with STC's.

Sunoccard wrote:I'd really Like to see a Word bearers Special character. A dark Chaplain would be a great piece to field.

Agreed. I really don't get the neglect the Word Bearers get, rules-wise. They're a cool looking army heavy on one of the main themes of CSM (proud service of dark deities) and there's not one rule, unit, wargear or even named character of them in the current books.

Why should they get rid of all the Special Characters?

Dont like special characters(specially f you need to field one to represent your chapter/legion)

I want special rules for each legion and for renegades and characters with more options.

Sephyr wrote:

Sunoccard wrote:I'd really Like to see a Word bearers Special character. A dark Chaplain would be a great piece to field.

Agreed. I really don't get the neglect the Word Bearers get, rules-wise. They're a cool looking army heavy on one of the main themes of CSM (proud service of dark deities) and there's not one rule, unit, wargear or even named character of them in the current books.

You could say the same for the Alpha Legion, Night Lords and Iron Warriors surely?

Just Dave wrote:

Sephyr wrote:

Sunoccard wrote:I'd really Like to see a Word bearers Special character. A dark Chaplain would be a great piece to field.

Agreed. I really don't get the neglect the Word Bearers get, rules-wise. They're a cool looking army heavy on one of the main themes of CSM (proud service of dark deities) and there's not one rule, unit, wargear or even named character of them in the current books.

You could say the same for the Alpha Legion, Night Lords and Iron Warriors surely?

Tis' true.
I said word bearers since i play them, but any of the chaos legions that worship chaos undivided are left out, and fluff wise they all have unique traits and should each have a champion and at least a small set of rules. (similar to 4th ed.)

The Alpha Legion don't need an IC because all of the existing CSM ICs are Alpha Legionnaires and nobody knows about them.

I think a cool Alpha Legion specific IC would have the power similar to the Changeling in that he could force an enemy squad to shoot at his choosing.

I would personally love a Word Bearers special character that would allow you to take name Demons in your army as troops. Also gives the same rules as chaplains to the squad he join. give him a corrupted crozius arcanum with some kool special rules

Riddick40k wrote:I would personally love a Word Bearers special character that would allow you to take name Demons in your army as troops. Also gives the same rules as chaplains to the squad he join. give him a corrupted crozius arcanum with some kool special rules

Really I think we should be able to summon named daemon's anyway, BUt GW doesn't agree
I dug up my old 4th ed codex, and the Demagogue skill would be cool to see used in the new dex as a chapter special agian.

I get the distinct feeling M'kar will be in the next codex.

Special rules:

Worf Effect: In order to establish them as a badass, M'kar must assault any Independent Character or Monstrous Creature in the opposing army if he can. Once he does, immediately remove M'kar from play as a casualty.

Void__Dragon wrote:I get the distinct feeling M'kar will be in the next codex.

Special rules:

Worf Effect: In order to establish them as a badass, M'kar must assault any Independent Character or Monstrous Creature in the opposing army if he can. Once he does, immediately remove M'kar from play as a casualty.

If Kaldor draigo is in the opposing army, then driago will immediatly destroy any unit he assaults or shoots, and all of M'kars stats are reduced to 1.

Sunoccard wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

Sephyr wrote:

Sunoccard wrote:I'd really Like to see a Word bearers Special character. A dark Chaplain would be a great piece to field.

Agreed. I really don't get the neglect the Word Bearers get, rules-wise. They're a cool looking army heavy on one of the main themes of CSM (proud service of dark deities) and there's not one rule, unit, wargear or even named character of them in the current books.

You could say the same for the Alpha Legion, Night Lords and Iron Warriors surely?

Tis' true.
I said word bearers since i play them, but any of the chaos legions that worship chaos undivided are left out, and fluff wise they all have unique traits and should each have a champion and at least a small set of rules. (similar to 4th ed.)

That being said, there wouldnt really be chaos marines as we know them without the word bearers so they are a bit more important than some of the others, not by much but they do need to get a small amount more credit and attention than some of the other legions who only really turned traitor because they got convinced by horus or the word bearers.


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ZacktheChaosChild wrote:Why should they get rid of all the Special Characters?

Im not saying get rid of all of them im only saying that they should be refreshed with some being swapped out with more active chaos champions, i mean when youy compare the importance of Erebus to say, Lucious, you have to wonder why he is in the codex instead of Erebus when really he's done squat when you compare his achievments to Erebus.

I mau have said Erebua to many times in that sentence

Commissar Typhus wrote:The Alpha Legion don't need an IC because all of the existing CSM ICs are Alpha Legionnaires and nobody knows about them.

I think a cool Alpha Legion specific IC would have the power similar to the Changeling in that he could force an enemy squad to shoot at his choosing.

Alpha Legion should just get "Alpharius". "Alpharius" has no statline and costs no points. You do not need a model to represent "Alpharius". "Alpharius" counts as your mandatory HQ. Done.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Alpha Legion should just get "Alpharius". "Alpharius" has no statline and costs no points. You do not need a model to represent "Alpharius". "Alpharius" counts as your mandatory HQ. Done.

Ok, that sounds silly but it's actually really cool.

If you gave a points value to that option and it also buffed all your squad leaders with an extra wound, you'd have decentralized leadership! The many-headed hydra and all that.

CalgarsPimpHand wrote:

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Alpha Legion should just get "Alpharius". "Alpharius" has no statline and costs no points. You do not need a model to represent "Alpharius". "Alpharius" counts as your mandatory HQ. Done.

Ok, that sounds silly but it's actually really cool.

If you gave a points value to that option and it also buffed all your squad leaders with an extra wound, you'd have decentralized leadership! The many-headed hydra and all that.

Or maybe it just gives all your marines ATSKNF. For the Emperor.

Im all for new characters from the other Legions and other prominent warbands. But I think your assumption that some of these guys that didn't play a huge roll in the heresy get too much face time is a bit flawed. the Heresy is over these are the guys who have made a name for themselves in the 10,000 years since. I would just like them to flesh them out a bit more. tell us what Lucius has been up to. but i do agree that it would be nice to see a few more new names.

I really don't like Lucius from a fluff perspective and think that Bile should represent the EC and introduce:
Erebus for Word Bearers (Extra daemons :O)
A fancy warsmith that unlocks Basalisks and makes Vindicator more readily avaliable for Iron Warriors
A Leader for the Alpha legion which unlocks Cultists and possibly grants some Loyalist rule or outlaws summoned daemons
A night lords character w/ Jump Pack adn allows Raptors as Troops.

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:I really don't like Lucius from a fluff perspective and think that Bile should represent the EC and introduce:

Fabius Bile has left/exiled the Emperors Children and holds no alliance to any specific Legion or god.

look up a fandex by Scott "Zeruel13" Addley. I found a link to this once on here, and I think I downloaded it from scribed (sp?) This is what I think the 5th ed Chaos codex should have been. There are characters for each legion - Kor Phaeron (Word Bearers), Arkos the Faithless (Alpha Legion), Krieg Acerbus (Nightlords), Warsmith Honsou (Iron Warriors) Plus the standard cast of CSM characters

The current CSM codex is 4th ed. The old, well-liked one was the second to be released in 3rd. Lots of people making that mistake in this thread.

the color purple wrote:The current CSM codex is 4th ed. The old, well-liked one was the second to be released in 3rd. Lots of people making that mistake in this thread.

Yeah, the nice and fluffy Chaos Space Marine Codex was the 3.5 version. Loads of really good Legion specific rules and fluff in that one.

DrChaos wrote:Yeah i guess that its not very fair to people who use the named guys, it just annoys me that many of the guys who are far more intresting and more important during the heresy get no mention at all in the codex while character like Kharn and Lucious (while thay are great character and great figures) ,who didnt have particulary important role in the heresy get their own rules.

THey had no mention because characters like Aximand were invented for the Books and did not exist at the time Codex CSM was written.