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jgemrich wrote:Returning from 4 days I had a chance to try a few things out. (btw....Westeros is the new black w/ games/gear/miniatures and collectibles).

1) Puppet Wars: I was pretty excited for this release but after a demonstration I didn't buy. I thought the mechanics were overly complex for a board game that was attempting to be simplistic. When I looked at what came in the box and compared to the price point, there was no way I could dive in. I was told that you might find certain minions would work better with masters but there is no way to get multiples of minions at this time w/ out buying multiple expansion packs @ $32 each. When you look at what you get w/ Super Dungeion Explore for a $5 cheaper MSRP it really isn't a hard choice from a "content" standpoint or game quality.

Well I was a fan of sodapop super dungeon explore idea until I saw the miniatures I mean they better be cheap because the lack of texture, soft detail and pretty bland concepts really killed it all for me, I was very disapointed.. but when I saw the Puppet wars miniatures pics, damn! those are some sweet sculpts all around! So games aside and just commenting from the miniature quality standpoint I can understand Puppet wars being a bit more expensive.

I played the Dust Warfare demo as well and I agree that there is a lot yet to be worked out. They said as much though, as the game won't be out until probably early next year. So there is a lot of stuff to hammer through until then. It will be interesting to see where things go with it.

I also agree on the Puppet Wars. I didn't do an actual demo, but I watched some. For $80 it was just entirely too expensive for what it was.

Sidstyler wrote:Oh gak, Ex Illis is still around? I thought that game died.

Some companies like to keep kicking for a while. Although i think their website hasnt been updated since December of last year

@kroothawk cheers for the round up, very interesting.

Those dust tanks may well end up in a guard army, hmm yes indeed *finger pyramid of evil contemplation*

Ex Illis won't be around for much longer, not unless they change things.

kenshin620 wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Oh gak, Ex Illis is still around? I thought that game died.

Some companies like to keep kicking for a while. Although i think their website hasnt been updated since December of last year

I thought as bunch of the writers/developers were basically buying the assets out from under the bankrupt main company, or something...

JHall wrote:I played the Dust Warfare demo as well and I agree that there is a lot yet to be worked out. They said as much though, as the game won't be out until probably early next year. So there is a lot of stuff to hammer through until then. It will be interesting to see where things go with it.

I also agree on the Puppet Wars. I didn't do an actual demo, but I watched some. For $80 it was just entirely too expensive for what it was.

Did the Dust guys indicate what scale of conflict they were shooting for, as in how many units per side would appear in a normal game?

I need to go to GenCon next year, looks like a good time!

Those Dust Warfare minis look fantastic! Really nice work.

FWIW - those pics in the early part of the thread regarding White Wolf were for last year's booth. This year, they were in the back corner of the exhibit hall and were partnered with DriveThruRPG. In addition to recent releases and author signings, they also had a number of POD releases from DriveThruRPG publishers.

The 40K RPG seminar was primarily a discussion of recent releases and Q&A about them. FFG's rules regarding not speculating about upcoming products were fully enforced. As a freelancer, I was restricted to discussing things which had already been posted to the website.

plastictrees wrote:

JHall wrote:I played the Dust Warfare demo as well and I agree that there is a lot yet to be worked out. They said as much though, as the game won't be out until probably early next year. So there is a lot of stuff to hammer through until then. It will be interesting to see where things go with it.

I also agree on the Puppet Wars. I didn't do an actual demo, but I watched some. For $80 it was just entirely too expensive for what it was.

Did the Dust guys indicate what scale of conflict they were shooting for, as in how many units per side would appear in a normal game?

They are going for complete scalability across the game... so both large and small games play well. I got that the day prior to my demo. I take that with a grain of salt since the rules didn't seem too stable.

@Navarro. I'm looking complete package of these board games, not just minis only. But a set of 52 vs. 18 is substancial for a similar price point. Having held and used both, I like the SDE product better. Again.. not a display mini...a board game.

jgemrich wrote:

@Navarro. I'm looking complete package of these board games, not just minis only. But a set of 52 vs. 18 is substancial for a similar price point. Having held and used both, I like the SDE product better. Again.. not a display mini...a board game.

I know I know mate and I don't even comment on that, Its just me and my freaked up prespective on things, for me its all about the minis, the rest its just extras that I can live with ... I would even buy all puppets alone with no game or cards if I had that possibility.

NAVARRO wrote:

jgemrich wrote:

@Navarro. I'm looking complete package of these board games, not just minis only. But a set of 52 vs. 18 is substancial for a similar price point. Having held and used both, I like the SDE product better. Again.. not a display mini...a board game.

I know I know mate and I don't even comment on that, Its just me and my freaked up prespective on things, for me its all about the minis, the rest its just extras that I can live with ... I would even buy all puppets alone with no game or cards if I had that possibility.

If puppets were in blisters, I'd be all in to collect and paint. For the board game.... sigh...

jgemrich wrote:If puppets were in blisters, I'd be all in to collect and paint. For the board game.... sigh...

This is where I stand. I love the models I've seen from both games and would love to cherry pick them. The price tag for both is definitely out of my casual-purchase range, but nabbing one from the FLGS from time to time would be something the missus would allow.

Did anyone stop by the On The Lamb booth? They were supposed to by right next to WoTC...

Thats the reason I'm getting the boosters first and leave the game for last... hopefully each Puppet booster has plenty of miniature goodness to keep me entertained.

BTW: This weekend also saw the Games Day Germany. Here an extended list of all news and interesting pics:
/End of list.
Edit: Okay, found some posts: All say that it was basically a bigger GW store: Almost no decoration, only focus was selling things to noobs, only standard boards and terrain, no big awesome display. No news, not even a Finecast presentation. Several visitor displays hidden in a badly lit part of the hall. Not that many visitors. Most posters said, they won't attend next year.
Some pics: https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=C9EDD31159BEEAE9&id=C9EDD31159BEEAE9!658&sc=photos
http://www.flickr.com/photos/66107728@N06/sets/72157627378325086/

So the ExIllis booth also was from last year. Last thing I heard is that they found a poor chap willing to burn some more money in the same project.

the_dunner wrote:FWIW - those pics in the early part of the thread regarding White Wolf were for last year's booth.

Damn, you are right, I read through his last year's blog
Good thing he made a blog this year as well, will update the first post. Thanks.

the_dunner wrote:The 40K RPG seminar was primarily a discussion of recent releases and Q&A about them. FFG's rules regarding not speculating about upcoming products were fully enforced. As a freelancer, I was restricted to discussing things which had already been posted to the website.

For people interested, he posted a more detailed version of what was not said in the Dark Heresy thread

kronk wrote:I didn't bring my camera, but I'm not familiar with that game so I wouldn't have taken pictures.

kronk wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:So anyone got any news from the 40K RPG seminar that FFG did?

Sorry, mate. My group isn't open to more RPG's at this point, so I didn't go...

Thanks for thinking about the Dakka people who couldn't attend

I don't know what the overall consensus was but I was blown away by how good the Gears of War boardgame was. I was really expecting it to be a cash grab throwaway game but it really delivered on a lot of levels.

Kroothawk wrote:
Thanks for thinking about the Dakka people who couldn't attend

Sorry, dude. But I had a pretty busy GenCon as it was. Lots of play-testing of games my group will actually play with me.

the_dunner wrote:FWIW - those pics in the early part of the thread regarding White Wolf were for last year's booth. This year, they were in the back corner of the exhibit hall and were partnered with DriveThruRPG. In addition to recent releases and author signings, they also had a number of POD releases from DriveThruRPG publishers.

That explains how I missed said both, as I wasn't at GenCon last year .

Fortune and Glory by Flying Frog was great and a pretty big seller, even for it's $100 price point.

Deadwood by FFG was fun. Demoed it and friend bought a copy and we played the hell out of it. It's more fun with 3+ people but 2 people can play it and it's still reasonably fun. We found when playing with two people, go ahead and have each player play two people.

Reiner Knizia was there. He was looking real busy so I didn't get to talk with him or get a picture. He has a new game coming out that's Star Trek based (think that is old news though).

Blood Bowl Team Manager is fun. The first thing to know going in is: It's not Blood Bowl. As people have said this is very different. So don't go into thinking you are going to get a game of blood bowl, but with cards. It keeps some of the feel of the IP but makes it much more high level.

Some 40k costumes at Gencon, shamelessly hotlinked from kotaku.com's coverage of the event:







http://io9.com/5828304/chainmail-bikinis-and-warhammer-40k-inquisitors-the-coolest-cosplay-from-gencon-2011

warboss wrote:Some 40k costumes at Gencon, shamelessly hotlinked from kotaku.com's coverage of the event

Bah, that's nothing, look at these http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/20768.html

Here's the videos I shot for Beasts of War this year at Gen Con (so far, more are being edited):

Adam takes us on a tour of Gen Con 2011

Dwarf King’s Hold 2 & Painted Warpath Minis Coming Soon

Dark Age with Kevin from Cool Mini or Not

Adam’s Gen Con Update (Thursday)

Star Wars X-Wing & The Card Game from Fantasy Flight Games

Dust Tactics & Dust Warfare at Gen Con

Romeo & Adam Discuss the New Infinity Bag

10 Years of Munchkin with Steve Jackson

Adam’s Gen Con Update (Friday)

Super Dungeon Explore & Relic Knights

Privateer Press at Gen Con 2011

Adam’s Gen Con Update (Saturday) & Cardhalla

Things Get Wyrd at Gen Con 2011

Exploring the Super Dungeon!

Mike McVey on Sedition Wars

Sweet merciful crap, that's a few more videos than I thought. Plus there's two or three others still in the pipe that should show up in the next few days. I'll post them when they're up.

Now that is awesome - thank you VERY much for that!

H.B.M.C. wrote:So anyone got any news from the 40K RPG seminar that FFG did?

I was at the WH 40k RPG Seminar on Thursday. They briefly covered their older stuff then talked about what was contained in their Black Crusade expansion. They told us (the audience) that we should pay attention to the website for any new up coming stuff.

There was several questions over how Black Crusade would interact with the other books and rule sets. There was several questions on if there were any ideas about creation of other races, specific Chaos Legion PCs, and other stuff. Every question was basically answered with "Watch the website."

And if there was anyone from here who was there, I was the one in the very left side of the room, in the 2nd to last row. With the mutton chops...and I was one of like three people who raised their hand when asked "Anyone new or doesn't know what Deathwatch/Black Crusade/Rogue Trader/Dark Heresy?"

Also, the individual who is taking over Deathwatch for FFG seemed comparitively young to the rest of their team there.

atomsmasher wrote:
Romeo & Adam Discuss the New Infinity Bag

Hey hey. Battlefoam has a new backpack for Navarro and me


lol, Romeo slams the GW/KR backpacks a bit in his video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km0LPH47Uog&feature=player_embedded

plastictrees wrote:...Did the Dust guys indicate what scale of conflict they were shooting for, as in how many units per side would appear in a normal game?

When I get home, I will post a picture of the demo game I was watching once I get home from work. It looked like they was playing on a cardboard board approximately 3' x 3'. Each section of the board was 1' x 1', contained 9 squares for "areas" where each unit was in. They had cardboard squares representing buildings and cards giving the stats of each unit. I did not watch how it was played as I had other stuff to go do. Each side had 2 "mech" things and 3 infantry units with some rocket launchers and machine guns.

Dust Warfare is actually going to use some sort of measurement system (inches, centimeters, cubits, etc.) for movement, range, etc. though, right?

Zyllos wrote:

plastictrees wrote:...Did the Dust guys indicate what scale of conflict they were shooting for, as in how many units per side would appear in a normal game?

When I get home, I will post a picture of the demo game I was watching once I get home from work. It looked like they was playing on a cardboard board approximately 3' x 3'. Each section of the board was 1' x 1', contained 9 squares for "areas" where each unit was in. They had cardboard squares representing buildings and cards giving the stats of each unit. I did not watch how it was played as I had other stuff to go do. Each side had 2 "mech" things and 3 infantry units with some rocket launchers and machine guns.

Thanks. It sounds like you were watching the Dust:Tactics demo (which is the boardgame) as opposed to Dust:Warfare (?which is the TTG?).

plastictrees wrote:

Zyllos wrote:

plastictrees wrote:...Did the Dust guys indicate what scale of conflict they were shooting for, as in how many units per side would appear in a normal game?

When I get home, I will post a picture of the demo game I was watching once I get home from work. It looked like they was playing on a cardboard board approximately 3' x 3'. Each section of the board was 1' x 1', contained 9 squares for "areas" where each unit was in. They had cardboard squares representing buildings and cards giving the stats of each unit. I did not watch how it was played as I had other stuff to go do. Each side had 2 "mech" things and 3 infantry units with some rocket launchers and machine guns.

Thanks. It sounds like you were watching the Dust:Tactics demo (which is the boardgame) as opposed to Dust:Warfare (?which is the TTG?).

Oh, I did not know there was a difference. That makes sense. The models looked the same from the pictures at the beginning of this thread so I just assumed.

atomsmasher wrote:Here's the videos I shot for Beasts of War this year at Gen Con (so far, more are being edited):
***snip****
Sweet merciful crap, that's a few more videos than I thought. Plus there's two or three others still in the pipe that should show up in the next few days. I'll post them when they're up.

Cool, thanks! I've got something to listen to/watch at Starbucks now!

Kroothawk wrote:

warboss wrote:Some 40k costumes at Gencon, shamelessly hotlinked from kotaku.com's coverage of the event

Bah, that's nothing, look at these http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/20768.html

I only posted the 40k related ones. I'm glad you linked them as the Darth Talon costume I hadn't seen before. I could see her convincing me to go darkside...