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I cannot believe that people are talking about the EDL. Anyway, this maybe going slightly OT as I stated in my original post, this thread should be about video games etc leading onto violence in later life.

If you want to talk about the riots themselves then I started a thread on that very subject!

@CptJake

The armed police in the UK also have extensive training much like the military, as when dealing with civilians in close vicinity they have to make judgement calls on if someone is a threat or not extremely quickly and then to respond with force if required. I can't speak for the military as I don't know much about the internal workings, but I have had experience with the armed police. Though not for the wrong reasons lol.

Edited for lousy grammer "doh!"

Its not video games. Its miserable angry people venting their rage. Its huge populations living in tiny areas.

You might as well blame the concept of a city for rioting.

Lack of self control seems whats actually at fault.

HellsGuardian316 wrote:@CptJake

The armed police in the UK also have extensive training much like the military as when dealing with civilians in the vicinity they have to make judgement calls over if someone if a threat or not extremely and then to respond with force if required. I can't speak for the military as I don't know much about the internal workings, but I have had experience with the armed police. Though not for the wrong reasons lol.

I would be willing to bet they use some of the same video simulators we use (and our law enforcement use).

Jake

CptJake wrote:

Ouze wrote: The discussion about whether or not video games cause aggression in violence is not yet possible to have, as there have been a great many inconclusive studies on the topic.

I disagree completely. (snip) What reputable studies prove otherwise?

Here you go! The APA is reputable, yes?

I'm telling you, man. For every study showing videogames cause violence, there is another showing well, who knows? It depends largely on who is funding the studies.

I'm not taking a stance either way. I'm saying it's still fungible. Maybe in 20 years.

Ouze wrote:

CptJake wrote:

Ouze wrote: The discussion about whether or not video games cause aggression in violence is not yet possible to have, as there have been a great many inconclusive studies on the topic.

I disagree completely. (snip) What reputable studies prove otherwise?

Here you go! The APA is reputable, yes?

I'm telling you, man. For every study showing videogames cause violence, there is another showing well, who knows? It depends largely on who is funding the studies.

I'm not taking a stance either way. I'm saying it's still fungible. Maybe in 20 years.

1st, your study (at least the summary you linked to) states that it does appear to cause violence in a subset of kids.

It also does not address at all what I have been saying. The games elicit a conditioned response. Something pops up, you knock it down. Pop up, knock down. Over and over again. Which WILL enable the conditioned response. Period. Which is why these same techniques are so effective in the military.

Read what I poste previously. I stated (though maybe not clearly enough) that the games/training don't cause the violence, they enable it. I stand by that.

What I have not gotten in to, but is worth considering is the context of training vice thr context of the games. In training the violence occurs in an appropriate setting. The trainee is 'at war' and must perform tasks that work towards mission accomplishment. The trainee is also given instruction on ROE and Laws of War and an ethical/moral baseline in which to view his training. In many of the games that context is missing, perverted/inverted, or at least isoften NOT coupled with the additional 'when is violence appropriate' lessons from parents who are the supervisors of the children. I personally believe the lack of moral/ethical context contributes the propensity to commit violence. Your study (or again, at least the summary you linked to) seems to indicate a lack of moral context/sense of right vice wrong contributes (when talking of the five personality traits) to the game contributing towards violence. If parents don't encourage and foster the positve aspects of those 5 traits your study would seem to indicate the kids are more at risk.

I really feel that violent games, music etc is being used as the perfect get out clause for lil shi*s to get away with as much as they can....

To (mis)quote Garland Green on 'Con Air',
"He is a font of misplaced rage, mommy didn't hold him enough or held him too much, choose your cliche"

There have been nasty little children and vicious violent adults from the beginning of the human race.

40 years ago no one could have blamed music or video games for a murder, it would have just been reported, matter of factly and without all the shameless hyperbole that tends to latch onto news stories these days. The first time I recall that a video game was linked to a murder was Mortal Kombat in the early 90's. This was the James Bulger murder. For our foreign friends who may not know this was a particularly horrific crime, commited on a kid by kids.
If I recall this was the start of newspapers and the media tenuosly (sp?) linking violence in video games to violence in real life.
And it snowballed from there really, and not just here, but in America too. Probably more so in the states. Was Marilyn Manson not implicated in the Columbine shootings? This to me is knee-jerk journalism of the lowest order. Those boys were sick, the media needed some reason to justify the shootings and made the choice that Mr Manson's lyrics were to blame.

It all depends on how you interpret things I guess. If you are bought up being able to tell right from wrong and knowing that doing the wrong thing is, well, wrong then it shouldn't matter if you play video games or listen to Hip Hop or Metal.
The only people to blame are the parents, not BoltThrower or Rockstar North or even the Gov't. If you cannot bring up a child properly, if you beat your wife/husband, if you are addicted to Heroin or alcohol then please think carefully before you hit the target with your man paste. It's not only your life you are changing but you must look after a new life as well. And if you cannot look after yourself properly then for fecks sake don't do it. Keep it in your trousers or put a raincoat on!

Mr Hyena wrote:There isn't. But hes somewhat right. Its not games or books; but there is a total lack of respect that is taught. Kids are raised to hate the police.

Now this I agree with. See I make my kids watch fun 80s cop movies, and Dirty Harry. They think Police are awesome as all get out.

Those movies taught respect. I think we need a curriculum shift so that kids can be taught to respect/fear the police.

CptJake wrote:1st, your study (at least the summary you linked to) states that it does appear to cause violence in a subset of kids.[/url]

How many of these kids drink milk? If a small subset of these kids act violently, and nearly all of them drink milk, then clearly milk causes violence in at least a small subset of kids, right?


I think you're getting the wrong takeaway from it. The consensus was that kids that are less agreeable, less conscientious and easily angered tend to be more violent when exposed to video games. It then concludes, rather unnecessarily, that they have "pre-existing dispositions, which make them susceptible to such violent media.” In other words, some kids are just violent no matter what they do.

OP I did spot that article, and I facepalm'd and skipped it Seriously the Daily Mail should be renamed the Daily Depression - eveyr day it's dreary news that makes you want to shoot every single being that has ever sinned, and then shoot yourself because it's not worth living anymore.

But the argument, or as someone rightly said the "get-out-of-jail" clause, is a cheap excuse. Some sciency boffin was bound to link the riots to violent video games and in this particular situation, it's not true. In most situations actually it's not really true - it's a hollow link that every politician jumps on.

Blaming the baby sitter (GTA) doesn't make up for bad parenting.

FITZZ wrote:
Not disputing that viewing violent images can lead to a child being desensitized , I've been watching horror films since I could walk and I certianly don't get shaken up by them..

There's a significant distinction between real and simulated violence. I know many people who can play violent video games, or watch violent movies, without but feel lightheaded at the sight of blood or trauma in the real world. I think that viewing simulated violence will desensitize you to violence that you know is simulated, but that the effect does not necessarily translate to real violence. Obviously the cartoonish that violence happens to be, the easier it will likely be to be unphased by it.

Stormrider wrote:Blaming the baby sitter (GTA) doesn't make up for bad parenting.

However choosing GTA or equivalent as a babysitter is a sign of bad parenting.

I have grown up playing video games, many of the violent. Do I exhibit violent behavior? No, not to the extent others do. I do martial arts, play with nerf guns and like war movies, but as a 16 year old kid, isn't that par for the course? (My 2 cents)

WH40K should be banned! It instigates racism and xenophobia!!1!

The Media is worse than the gaming industry. Their is more of a connection between Social Volience due to the news and television than becoming a Video Game Serial Killer.

Now I for one hate it when people point at video games as the root of all evil. You know the one person i think of when i see those types of people.... Jack Thompson.....


This has been debated over and over again.
Researchers on both sides are flunging their own bull---- at each other because neither side can find evidence I support video games as not being the root of all evils.
But I do support that the rating scale should be enforced. I do not want my future child playing an A rated game or anything like that. I want my child to grow up with halo though and board games and all those good shows/movies and i will not let him/her watch fairy tale movies because I have read brothers grim and I know what they imply....

The point of my rant is that the Media itself is worse than the video game industry, and they love to say "No no no, video games are more voilent!"

Really? What about the riots in London and the fact you are showing them on live tv?

Now I am done with my rant and all i can say is that neither side is more violent than the other but in some cases the media is more violent because its more real, video games are playable and you can control it and set the game turn it off, pause the game, restart the level, ensure that doesn't happen again, ignore it, turn down graphics, and do all those things which you can't do with the media.

Surely you aren't saying that the media, by publicising and showing how unstoppable these oh-so-exciting riots are, and by telling everyone how the criminals are going unpunished and getting a whole bunch of free stuff are somehow encouraging people to loot and riot?

Testify, brother. Chalk me up as an 'entertainment news' hater.

htj wrote:Surely you aren't saying that the media, by publicising and showing how unstoppable these oh-so-exciting riots are, and by telling everyone how the criminals are going unpunished and getting a whole bunch of free stuff are somehow encouraging people to loot and riot?

Testify, brother. Chalk me up as an 'entertainment news' hater.

Its all explained in the video
The Media is just not if more violent than Video Games.
You can't judge a game if you haven't played it.
The Media itself is bad, I am not just talking about the riots and everything they show enough violence that it inspires violent people to do violent things. Let me repeat that Violent People, not normal people. Violent.

I understand that people deserve justice.
And yes Remember the social media has more of an effect on people than a video games because social media is connectivity between people.

The Police In London are just looking to blame everything in the Industries.

The real person to blame here are the people that started the violence. Because they usually have a mental disability.