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If they all had Slugga-Choppa, and you had 10 of them, on Furious Charge. That'd give you 50.

KingCracker wrote:Your correct, you cant put 30 boyz in a trukk, but you CAN put 20 boyz in a BW, which is what he already said.
Also your putting ALOT of faith in that 1 trukk. If your saying that a mob of boyz is going to get "mowed down" by the Tau, then your flimsy trukk with nobz is going to be target priority #1 for any Tau player. Not to mention your saying that a boyz mob would be focused on by the Tau army, but YOUR trukk wont be? Thats how your argument is coming across anyways. If the Tau player is shooting at my blob of boyz, that same Tau player is certainly shooting at your Trukk+Nobz, and it would be worse for you then it would be for me. That trukk has a really good chance of going bye bye against Tau, and when it blows it has a decent chance of wounding some Nobz.

Boyz can use cover MUCH easier then the trukk zipping around, and can be spread out to take the sting out of templates. What can a trukk do to minimize its damage intake?


One more thing, Im guessing it was a typeO but how did you get 50 attacks with your Nobz?

Yes, there is alot of faithwith that trukk, however it usually makes it most of the way there before it can get blown up. And it always gets blown up.
However, it does its job and by the time they can take down the trukk AND the nobs theyre (hopefully) within cc range.
50 attacks. 3 attack base+1 for pistols+1 for charge= 5x9 nobs=45+4 painboy attacks=49 (1 off, forgot painboy only gets 4 attacks instead of 5.)
Strength- 4 base strength+ 1 for furious charge+ 2 for big choppas= 7 strength.
Notify me if i got something wrong here.

Yeah, you did. Big Choppas are two-handed, so you do not get an extra attack for wielding two close combat weapons. So thats 40 attacks at strenght 7, which is actually just marginally better than a trukk full of slugga boyz, which costs half the points (315 vs 152). It's actually much worse than simply two trukks of boyz. That magical tale of your one trukk making it towards the tau gunline and killing them all - the trukk of boyz would have done exactly the same, two of them even more so.

Nobz without PK will lose combat to any CC experts in 3+ armor, which they would have slaughtered otherwise. Purifiers, Striking Scorpions, Khorne Berzerkers, Assault Marines and even ICs and MCs with a decent armor roll suddenly become a big problem. There really is no point in wasting 75 points on the three last nobz with big choppas if you could simply drop them for klaws and combi weapons to make a 7 nob unit with much more killing power.

Jidmah wrote:Yeah, you did. Big Choppas are two-handed, so you do not get an extra attack for wielding two close combat weapons. So thats 40 attacks at strenght 7, which is actually just marginally better than a trukk full of slugga boyz, which costs half the points (315 vs 152). It's actually much worse than simply two trukks of boyz. That magical tale of your one trukk making it towards the tau gunline and killing them all - the trukk of boyz would have done exactly the same, two of them even more so.

Nobz without PK will lose combat to any CC experts in 3+ armor, which they would have slaughtered otherwise. Purifiers, Striking Scorpions, Khorne Berzerkers, Assault Marines and even ICs and MCs with a decent armor roll suddenly become a big problem. There really is no point in wasting 75 points on the three last nobz with big choppas if you could simply drop them for klaws and combi weapons to make a 7 nob unit with much more killing power.

yea big choppas in my nobz serves one purpose.. a cheap wound allocation.

my nobz after much trial and experimentation for best results in the 1250-1850 range goes

painboy w/ cybork
nob bp pk cybork
nob pk cybork
nob waaagh banner pk cybork
nob big choppa eavy armor
nob big choppa cybork
nob eavy armor
nob cybork

8 total, if anythign has to be cut to fit something in that lvl I cut big choppa eavy armor first
order of wounds in general

1st wounds go to big choppa nobz
next wounds to the eavy armor and cybork regulars
then goes to pk/cybork
onward to pk w/ waggh banner
followed by pk/bp
last to recieve a wound will almost always be my painboy unless I am against somehtign that ignored fnp alot

As Jidmah said, but not only that, we've been saying all over this thread, that taking 10 nobz in normal games just is a waste of points. Even more a waste of points if your not taking PK and not diversifying your Nobz mob. Not to sound insulting or anything, but if your going to make arguments FOR Nobz, you have to be a bit more accurate with the information your arguing with. Saying things like "yea well I can have 49 attacks on the charge so there!" isnt a valid argument, be the reasons I just stated. Not to mention its 230 pts for 9 bone stock Nobz + painboy, where as its 220 pts for 29boyz +pk nob/bp, and they get a staggering 116 attacks on the charge and 4 pk attacks.

But does that prove an argument? No, that just proves we all know basic math, I cant say well boyz get more attacks therefor they are FAR better then Nobz, because that would be pretty false.

I realize that im just digging a deeper hole here, so i conceed defeat
Thats not to say I dont like my nobz anymore though

Well I dont want to sound like I dont like Nobz, because I do, they are a very tough and very aggressive unit. But boyz mobs are just so damn handy in alot of situations. Its because they are basically a 19-29 wound pk wielding nob that randomly dishes out more wounds then his attack stat says it can do. Theres so many bodies in there that the PK just goes on forever.

Where as an actual Nob squad, yea they can kick ass and do it rather well, but you have to be more careful then just throwing them at units. To many powerfists, and you suffer ID like crazy. To many power weapons, and they shed wounds like crazy. Go to heavy on the points, and they are a points sink. Nobz really are a badass unit, but people tend to think if I just take nobz they do bad things to my enemy, and that isnt really the case. Thats all my point really was to begin with. Alot of the times, Id personally take boyz over nobz, and I usually do, specially in games that are just for fun. But when I want a good chance of winning, well then my super tooled up Nobz come out and play

G00fySmiley wrote:
painboy w/ cybork
nob bp pk cybork
nob pk cybork
nob waaagh banner pk cybork
nob big choppa eavy armor
nob big choppa cybork
nob eavy armor
...
1st wounds go to big choppa nobz
next wounds to the eavy armor and cybork regulars
then goes to pk/cybork
onward to pk w/ waggh banner
followed by pk/bp
last to recieve a wound will almost always be my painboy unless I am against somehtign that ignored fnp alot

you speak as if some of them do not have cybork bodies. or maybe i'm looking too deeply into a simple wording ambiguity.
seems to me that if a unit takes cybork all the models in that unit get cybork.