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Ascalam wrote:

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Grey Templar wrote:

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blood reaper wrote:When a mommy and a daddy Dreadknight.....

Possibly reversed engineered Xenos and Admech technology, possibly parts of the original Dreadnoughts, they do bare some resemblance to those of the Horus Hersey.

Use of Xenos technology is outlawed by the imperium as is reverse engineering by the Adeptus Mechanicus.

Incorrect, use of Xeno technology is forbidden to the common imperial.

the Inquisition does whatever they damn well please, and the Ad Mech does conduct research using Alien technology. procured for them by the Ordo Xenos.


the Imperium does advance its tech level, just at a very slow and steady pace. the Ad Mech is constantly tinkering with alien technology, especially Necron tech.

The adeptus Mechanicum is reliant on STCs to advance tech level because of ancient dogma which prohibits them from reverse engineering existing technolgy in order to understand it. And that's with everything including human tech, so the idea they do it with xenos tech, I wonder where you got that from.

Reading BL books and the Necron Codex.

the Ad Mech has managed to completely reverse engeneer Gauss weaponry, but the power requirements are driving them nuts.

The Ad Mech does invent completely new things, Power Armor is NOT from an STC and neither are Bolters, but it is an insanely slow process that requires approval from the Fabricator General that sometimes a Magos responsable for creating something new will claim his design is an STC that he found. that always goes right through the red tape.

The IOM does not have Gauss tech.

Reread the passage in the Necron codex, as this mis-statement crops up all the fething time. (unless you have a BL page reference i can check? They have recovered Necron atifacts (FOD mentions some) but none that are functional.)

The AdMech have no clue, beyond very basic principles, of how Gauss Tech works. The math is theoretically impossible (ie they can't make it work), they have no working examples of gauss weaponry to reverse engineer and are having to theoryhammer it based on it's effect.

The have no idea how to make a trigger mechanism that will fire it without fusing and causing catastrophic blowback even if they could figure out the math, and they would need a power source of starship/titan generator level to be able to power a shot that could punch through both faces of a land raider without deflection of the beam.

In short they have no clue how it works, why it works, or how to make one. Even if they could they could only fire one with a backpack the size of a city block

They actually managed to replicate the gauss weaponry and understand how the weapon does its damage.

they just can't power or fire the darn thing.


it still illustrates how they do study alien technology.

No, they didn't. Read the codex again.

They theorised how it works, based on its effects. They have not managed to replicate it, and can't figure out the math to make it work. They don't even have a working model of a gauss weapon to retroengineer.

Once I get home i'd be happy to provide quotes to this effect from the codex, but I don't have it on me at work.

They do study and use Alien tech. That's undeniable.


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Also to completely retroengineer something, as you claimed above, would mean being able to replicate it in it's entirely, including being able to fire and power it.

They would love to be able to do this, but to date they haven't.

I confidently expect that the next Marine codex after the Necron release will have Gauss Cannon added to the armoury, but until Ward does this the current fluff is that they haven't cracked it yet.








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Quotes from the Dex:

In regards to the postulations (theoryhammer ) put forward by Magos Barrous concerning the armament carried by Necrons known as Gauss weapons the following report examines the heretical impossibility (they don't know how it works) of such weapons' operation'

The diagram lists the beam focussing array as 'unknown method' and the Electromagnetic field coils as 'postulated' (they're guessing)

'The design of a gauss weapon with all its parameters kept dynamic to achieve maximum efficiency is a mathematical impossibilty' (they can't do the math )


'Extensive study of gauss weapons....has ,thus far,been hampered by the lack of a working device to examine..'



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The discussion on a weapon impact punching clean through a landraider without deflection of the beam states that they couldn't do it without a power source on the same order as titan/starship weaponry.

Nowhere does it say they have a retroengineered one, working or not.

It wasn't the Necron codex that dealt with a reverse engeneered Gauss weapon, sorry if it came accross like that.

I belive it was an Ad Mech BL book somewhere. can't remember the name of it currently, but I know its out there.

If you come across it i'd be interested to read it

I've read Mechanicus, FOD and Deus ex Machinicus, and i'm pretty sure it's not in any of those.

I can't think of any other books which have the Ad Mech and thr Necrons at the same time.

I'm going to have to agree about there being something that talks about the Imperials studing the Gauss weapons. They discuss how it absorbs matter in atomic layers and all that.

But, I think we're getting off topic.

I would think these are ancient relics of the chapter, pre-heresy because these were made for those who lived through the heat of the battle. my guess.