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Ghazkull kills marines good.

G00fySmiley wrote:

I have a 1500 point list that uses 180 boys.. I've had people look at the list and just not want to play it ... its alot to deal with at 1500

big mek kff 85

30 boys w/ nob bp pk 220
30 boys w/ nob bp pk 220
30 boys w/ nob bp pk 220
30 boys w/ nob bp pk 220
30 boys w/ nob bp pk 220
30 boys w/ nob bp pk 220

def dred 2xskorcha and armor plates 95 (points filler, sometimes i alternate with 5 lootas and 20 poitns in upgrades to big mek)

Its lists like these that make me value the blood angels fast vindicators. It's hard to scatter off 180 boys and NOT hit something

thehod wrote:Ghazkull kills marines good.

Ghaz kills most things good, the problem is, hes a fire magnet AND he cant take on an entire SM force alone. But Orks can still KO SM pretty easily. Im a shoota boy fan and they are normally in x20 squads with the usual Nob build. You can either sit them on objectives or in ruins or whatever, and shoot shoot shoot and let the SM come to you. OR you can advance and shoot sometimes get 2 shoots out of the equation and still assault, as shoota boyz still pump out attacks on the charge. A regular boyz mob used correctly can and will man handle a tactical squad, not to mention they have enough bodies that if you do some poor rolling, youve got the bodies to suck it up and out last the marines.

Green tide space marines in low point games! Laugh as your tide runs them over!

Here is what my buddy ork player uses:

Battlewagon w/ KFF inside
4 trucks
~3 deftkoptas

all filled packed with boyz of course. Its usually in the 1500 pt range though. He basically starts the wagon up front, with the trucks next to or behind it. He then guns it forward, so for turn 2, the trucks are still getting the cover from the wagon. Turn 3 he is on top of you and assaulting.

The goodness of this list is that everything on the board will naturally focus on popping the wagon to kill it and the KFF. Which buys precious turns of movment for the rest of the green tide to close in. His wagon usually dies and the KFF usually bites it by the end, but they do their job well enough.

The kopptas are there to outflank and pop things like basilisk, predators or other heavy vehicles that spam out death from the back lines. Even without doing their job, it requires that the defenders split their fire/deployment to cover for the kopptas and spend less time shooting the wagon/trucks.

A good marine player would point his S9+ stuff at the BW and everything else at the trukks. As regular bolters can potentially kill a trukk and literally have nothing else to shoot at, that few trukks won't be going anywhere.

As a blood angels player, and someone who's also beaten many ork armies, I'll tell you that orks have terrible ballistic skills, and running a small group is not a good idea, since marines are better shots, plus, with blood angels, the assault squads have chainswords and/or a power sword/fist, lightning claws, or thunder hammer, making a small unit of orks unwise to use in CC with their 5+ sv against marines in power armor. A good amount is 20 or so ork boyz, at least 20. The more you have, the more dice you roll, the more likely you'll hit, the more likely you'll wound, and there will be more models to wound.

Power swords/fists are almost irrelevant agaisnt most orks, as are thunder hammers (unless you are hitting Nobz, meganobz, or HQ's). Chainswords do nothing that a lead pipe won't in the current edition of 40K

Armour of 6+ generally doesn't care whether the weapon is powered or not.

I agree that you do need bigger mobs to be effective, but then you have to footslog them, and usually only about a dozen reach the enemy anyway due to pieplates.

You can either swarm a unit down with massive numbers (30 man boyz mobs with Slugga/choppa are decent for this), gun them down with massive firepower (shootaboyz, lootas) or get creative (15 burnaboyz firing out of a BW, grotzoooka bombardment.

SM's are better at almost everything than orks. They are supposed to be. Orks however are cheap, and can wear any unit down over time. Boyz mobs also make nice insulation for the PK nob or Warboss th go to town on the marines with a PK and get to the gooey centre

According to the new Space Marine game demo, they hit space marines a lot with choppas and crappy shootas. They also pick them up and smash them on the ground. Okay, probably not what you meant, but I just got done playing the demo and it was awesome. Probably gonna play again

timetowaste85 wrote:According to the new Space Marine game demo, they hit space marines a lot with choppas and crappy shootas. They also pick them up and smash them on the ground. Okay, probably not what you meant, but I just got done playing the demo and it was awesome. Probably gonna play again

slugga and choppas = 4 atack per model on the charge, a lot of punches

bs2 with shootas = not crappy shootas, just bad aim overall and AP6 means armor saves.

remilia_scarlet wrote:As a blood angels player, and someone who's also beaten many ork armies, I'll tell you that orks have terrible ballistic skills, and running a small group is not a good idea, since marines are better shots, plus, with blood angels, the assault squads have chainswords and/or a power sword/fist, lightning claws, or thunder hammer, making a small unit of orks unwise to use in CC with their 5+ sv against marines in power armor. A good amount is 20 or so ork boyz, at least 20. The more you have, the more dice you roll, the more likely you'll hit, the more likely you'll wound, and there will be more models to wound.

That's why trukks should attack in pairs. Throwing a single truck at a CC unit won't do anything.

Ive been saying that in favor of Trukks for a couple years now. When running trukk builds, you dont look at it like, I have 4-6 trukks, you look at it like I have 2-3 mini BW with 2 PK in it instead of 1. Multi assault the same unit with 2 trukks, its WAY more effective that way. 8 pk attacks on the charge? yea, good bye whatever your attacking

Exactly. Orks are bullies by nature, you don't send one unit after one unit- you gang up on them.

Also, are you two using the Ramshackle rules appropriately? There's a decent chance that when a trukk gets blown up, it'll karreen right into the Marine Squad that shot it.

My trukks always kareen towards the closest unit of imperial guardsmen and kill half of them. Always. Even if if takes an exact 18" kareen through a gap between to pieces of impassible terrain which is no wider than the trukk. Add in the german codex saying that trukks always Kaboom! 6" and have a great time

Not much luck against other armies though, especially eldar tend to kareen my trukks the opposite way where they were supposed to be going

Mine usually kareen into enemy units as well. Though this one time I wasnt so lucky, and it pretty much pigeon holed my plan

I don't run many trukks... I tend to do BW... i have bad luck with kareening away from where i want to be though.

I take my BW as 2 shootas rolla and rpj

deffrollas are always good on the field i use em alot and in some low points games since you can field em liek that some people can't deal with av14 so you spend a few turns moving 7 inches and shooting out at stuff that can't bust you

My trukks tend to karreen into my own mobs, especially my grot mobz.

It's like the driver wanted to take the used trukk back to complain, or at least get the little !@#$ he got it from

You shoot them with Shootas, or your Charge them with Sluggas.

Honestly, killing Marines isn't very hard for the more optimized of Ork lists out there (ie. a Huge Horde of Boyz w/ KFF Mek, likely with Kanz & Lootas, or a bunch of Battlewagons, Lootas, and KFF Mek, or Nob Bikers + Battlewagons or Trukks, likely with Lootas. Lootas open up Rhinos nicely, it lets you krump the squishy beakies inside!).

Id like to add you can also charge with shoota boyz, I do it all the time. Fire off a volley and then charge. 3 Attacks on the charge each isnt something to scoff at