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I haven't seen the Contemptor IRL yet; anyone have a guess how well those cyclone missile launchers would fit onto some termies? I like that style a whole lot better than the square box, and still need a few for my DW.

The helmets have additional optic things on them; it looks like that is supposed to 'mesh' with the wee sensor on the shield... guncam style. It makes sense. Why expose an eye lense when you don't have to after all.

Graviton gun is ace! And no disrespect to Chapterhouse but your 'conversion beamer' looks awful.

Ouze wrote:

I don't hate Valtrex, although I wonder if they know that his name is nigh-identical to that of a medication for genital herpes. The things you learn working at a pharmacy call center... but I digress. I would cut off those awful whips and give him twin falchions. Also, I wonder if the shoulder pads are cast on the arms, or seperate; ie how hard would it be to convert his chapter.

I remember Mark Bedford at GD Chicago said that the shoulder pads, back pack, and I think arms are all separate on Valthex.

kronk wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Oh look, shameless plug for something just as bad.

I like the Chapter House one much better than the FW one. Better by far.

I agree. I'm not crazy about the 'point bits' on the front, but I do like the servo-arm-assisting-but-underslung look of the CH version. And the backpack looks much less clunky.

it's funny. In mecha/power armor designs I generally love to see shoulder-mount weapons. The FW Master of the Forge is one of the few I haven't thought was cool looking.

My orks would love that Conversion Beamer, but yeah, it maybe doesn't look so marine-ish...

johnnyrumour wrote:The helmets have additional optic things on them; it looks like that is supposed to 'mesh' with the wee sensor on the shield... guncam style. It makes sense. Why expose an eye lense when you don't have to after all.

Graviton gun is ace! And no disrespect to Chapterhouse but your 'conversion beamer' looks awful.

No disrespect taken.

Personally I am surprised at how close the backpack from FW is to the one we did. They both sort of went away from the GW standard ones, but are still very close from the front of the model in any case.

For all the boohooers out there, if I was pimping my kit I would have included prices and a link. I was sort of excited to see what the designers at FW would do for the Beamer (I have been playing 40k for 17 years and am a fan as much as most of you), but alas it was not much.

Breotan wrote:Okay, unless that's a camera in the top middle of the shield, exactly how is the Marine on the right aiming correctly at his enemy? I mean, "the Force" ain't exactly part of GW's IP.



Edit: Comment now referring to the intended model.

Aww you totally beat me to it. IMO that is indeed a camera in the top middle of the shield. I noticed it when I was looking at it earlier (seeings how you can't see the marines head at all thru the shield). I think that's a really cool touch to have thought of.

Pedrowan wrote:I haven't seen the Contemptor IRL yet; anyone have a guess how well those cyclone missile launchers would fit onto some termies? I like that style a whole lot better than the square box, and still need a few for my DW.

Yes I have the same question however, I do leieve looking at the picture that they are a tad big for the terminators.

I may get the boarding action kit for a squad or two, just to have them.

As for the Contemptor, I don't think a cheerleading contest between FW and CH versions is going to accomplish anything. People will buy the version they want.

Looks like I'm the odd one out again, I much prefer the CH version of CB.

I think the design features of valthrax or whatever he's called are individually great, but the pose of the model's all wrong. If he had a bit of motion to him - swinging the whips from a defensive stance / crouching whilst obviously repairing a vehicle or bracing for a long shot - would make him much more appealing.

Still an interesting character, I need to get the books to read up on him.


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Kroothawk wrote:Still waiting for the Tamurkan book and Dark Eldar katamaran.

Dark Eldar Katamaran? What's that then? Need to know more!

FW rules are so funny

"Lets give a conversion beamer guy CC weapons!"

Besides, most people run conversion beamers on bikes anyways. The gun looks quite silly, like Soldier's Cow Mangler

Besides, most people run conversion beamers on bikes anyways.

Bikes that they keep on the shelf. Beamers are pretty bad for what they cost.

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warboss wrote:I kind of like the look of the heavy conversion beamer but the techmarine with the standard variant reminds me too much of the old 2nd edition "2-D" scultped marines.

You do realize that if it wasn't for those 2-D marines, Dakka wouldn't have a GW to fixate all of their internet hate and anguish at right?

What point are you making here? We're not allowed to criticize bad models because 20 years ago they all looked like that?

kitch102 wrote:Dark Eldar Katamaran? What's that then? Need to know more!

This beauty here, shown completed on GD USA (pic only) and on the FW website for some time:


Edit. Looking at the pic, I think I now know why it isn't released. They still have to make the crew.

That looks fantastic, I can't believe I've missed it - I check the site pretty regularly, unless they have different content on different versions of the site for each country...

So what are we thinking then... is that the Dais of Destruction? Not seeing any DL's... any theories?

Re: the DE Catamaran - Wow. When Forge World wants to, they can really do incredible stuff.


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SonicPara wrote:They are boarding action Marines carrying breaching weapons and graviton guns; these weapons require no active aiming. With a breaching weapon you push the muzzle against what you want to breach and pull the trigger, you don't have to actively track a target once you initially line it up. Graviton gun is somewhat of an area of effect type weapon so as long as you are firing forward down a hallway then you are fine. The Marines could also lower their shields if they needed to.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Graviton guns non-lethal? Are these guys supposed to go in ahead of a squad of regular Tacs?

warboss wrote:The assault cannon didn't seem any more imposing looking than the standard version so I'm a bit surprised its heavy 6 instead of 4. I'd have predicted it (and the Cyclone) would have the same stats as their terminator equivalents but now I'm not so sure. Also, the experimental rules don't yet support the dakka-dread contemptor (two assault cannons, cyclone missle launcher) as you don't yet have the option of changing out the starting DCCW to a gun.

Is it that profile because it is really two guns firing together?

Do you have to have both weapon arms wielding assault cannons?

kitch102 wrote:That looks fantastic, I can't believe I've missed it - I check the site pretty regularly, unless they have different content on different versions of the site for each country...
So what are we thinking then... is that the Dais of Destruction? Not seeing any DL's... any theories?

These are the pics shown on the GD USA presentation, uploaded on the website (can't find a path to it right now).

It is larger than a Dais of Destruction (which is just a special Raider), kind of a Dark Eldar super heavy platform, with rules rumoured to be in IA 12, dedicated to Dark Eldar/Corsairs.

I want breaching shields. Honestly, A would throw 1-2 shields in each of my squads for breaching buildings, and because I LOVE RIOT SHIELDS!


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Also, this song went through my head when I saw those riot shields.

I don't mind the Conversion Beamer to be honest. I think it's nice to see a different take on one (compared to the original versions which were more heavy-weapon-ish and not back-pack-ish). And Conversion Beamers have always had a 'ray gun' look to them with a spiky front end. These new versions are no different. The Contemptor weapons are nice (and why do I keep wanting to call it a Contemplator?).

And I love the boarding Marines. They're fantastic. And I think they have little cameras up top, allowing the Marines to see.

Worglock wrote:You do realize that if it wasn't for those 2-D marines, Dakka wouldn't have a GW to fixate all of their internet hate and anguish at right?

Oh go away you waste of bandwidth.

You want to call it a Contemplator because it's Contemplating kicking the buttocks of any heretics in its way.

Re: seeing past the boarding shields - Marines can access the sights on their guns through their helmet's internal HUD.

The boarding marines do look pretty awesome- I don't by FW often but these could tempt me.
I like the conversion beamer, just not the model it's mounted on...

I'm REALLY loving those marine boarding shields. Like, a super lot.

EDIT: But over $5 per marine for that upgrade pack? That makes DKOK seem reasonable

Contemptor looks awesome. Techmarine is pretty weak, shields are pretty uninspiring.

Love that Contemptor though.

Contemptor always sounds like a Chaos thing to me. Contemplator is much more Imperium.

Anvildude wrote:Contemptor always sounds like a Chaos thing to me. Contemplator is much more Imperium.

The Imperium rarely contemplates anything. They stubbonly do things based upon superstition, dogmatic tradition and oft-illogical ritual, even when another course of action would be better advised.

In fact they have contempt for contemplation alot of the time...

Ouze wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Graviton guns non-lethal? Are these guys supposed to go in ahead of a squad of regular Tacs?

They can still wound models, they just have a funky mechanic.

I actually like the Conversion Beam, fits the Pre/Heresy era style of the model.

Good looking boarding shields, the contemptor arms are good and bad, I like the beamer, for the same reason as blood reaper, the assault cannon and plasma gun are great! However, the heavy bolters and missile launcer look odd, still, 3/5 is a pass

The MotF is perhaps the first FW model that I do not like, the whips, backpack and upper torso really let him down.