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2011/09/05 14:23:38
Subject: Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Fixture of Dakka
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I'm more a brute force player so I'll just roll up with a 'blaster or two and hit the unit he's in with S10 grapeshot. What unit? 
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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2011/09/05 14:30:58
Subject: Re:Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2011/09/05 14:36:12
Subject: Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Skillful Swordsman
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GT, I don't have the OK book, and if it was mentioned earlier in the thread, I missed it, but is this thing a warmachine? 'Cause warmachines can't stand & shoot.
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"What holds the Empire together, lad, is that our mutual dislike of each other is less than our dislike of everyone else."
- A Priest of Sigmar
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2011/09/05 14:39:00
Subject: Re:Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Its a Chariot.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2011/09/05 14:40:11
Subject: Re:Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Skillful Swordsman
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Gotcha 
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"What holds the Empire together, lad, is that our mutual dislike of each other is less than our dislike of everyone else."
- A Priest of Sigmar
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2011/09/05 15:22:07
Subject: Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Fixture of Dakka
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A chariot pulled by a deaf rhinox with one happy Ogre on the back. And to erase all speculation the rules for the Ironblaster even say "Move and Fire". Yeah, stand and shoot would be lovely, then the ogre and rhinox get to kill what's left.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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2011/09/05 16:19:18
Subject: Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Commanding Orc Boss
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You guys know that grapeshot kinda sucks right? If you stand and shoot you get an artillery dice of shots that hits on 5's, or 6's if they are 7" or more away.
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I hate hard counters. In a game of rock, paper, scissors, I hate playing any of the factions because no matter what you choose you might as well not deploy against your hard counter. I want to use a gun. Rock, paper, and scissors could all probably still beat gun, but gun will never feel like a game is a lost cause. |
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2011/09/05 16:20:37
Subject: Re:Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Who cares? its Str10 grapeshot!!!
eat it chaos knights.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2011/09/05 16:52:31
Subject: Re:Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Commanding Orc Boss
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Grey Templar wrote:Who cares? its Str10 grapeshot!!!
eat it chaos knights.
Yes. A S10 grapeshot that, if you are lucky, will kill 1 guy.
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I hate hard counters. In a game of rock, paper, scissors, I hate playing any of the factions because no matter what you choose you might as well not deploy against your hard counter. I want to use a gun. Rock, paper, and scissors could all probably still beat gun, but gun will never feel like a game is a lost cause. |
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2011/09/05 17:46:43
Subject: Re:Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Angry Chaos Agitator
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Grey Templar wrote:TheBloodGod wrote:Tzeentchling9 wrote:TheBloodGod wrote:You've decided you can roll on a Miscast Table without it being a Miscast.
Maybe, I guess I have? What does that change? 
If it is a miscast and it's on Teclis, it's his first miscast that turn. His in that it applies to him. He's making a miscast test.
He didn't make it though.
You're trying to semantics loophole a magic item out of existence. There is no definition of what is and isn't "makes a miscast"
There's not a single sentence in the rulebook that says that a mage walking in range of an anti-mage item is "the item making a miscast and not the mage" or anything of the sort.
As a miscast that's happening oddly, it's up to them to choose. There is NOT just one way to take either Teclis paragraph or the Hellheart's paragraph.
Make
1. to bring into existence
- the miscast wouldn't exist if the mage wasn't there. Both a mage walking into range of the hellheart and hellheart's effect bring about a miscast.
2. to produce; cause to exist or happen; bring about
- again, the miscast is caused by him being within range of an enemy item.
It's a situation with no precedent because there are no rules about "miscast sources" mentioned.
1: that is such an insane stretch of logic. The mage didn't cause the Miscast, the Ogre with the Hellheart made the mage roll on the miscast chart as he is directly responsable. thats like saying I am responsable for the dent that Jerk who backed into my car caused because I parked in that particular parking spot.
2: as above
It's your insane stretch of logic trying to semantics away a special rule allowing complete immunity to the effects of his first miscast per turn. If he's the model suffering the miscast, it's his first miscast and thus he's immune to the effects. Period.
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2011/09/05 18:08:25
Subject: Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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It depends on what 'rolling on the miscast table' is; is it solely representative of a miscast? Or is it just a roll? The item doesn't say "XYZ suffers a miscast" or "rolls on the miscast table as if they had suffered a miscast" it just says that they roll on the miscast table.
It all boils to down to wether or not the action of rolling on the table makes it a miscast, which is why it's best to just discuss it with your opponent until the FAQ.
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2011/09/05 18:25:33
Subject: Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Big Fat Gospel of Menoth
The other side of the internet
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It seems that as written it would step around Teclis and shove it so hard up his tight elven...hat.
I hope it stays that way.
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2011/09/05 19:30:55
Subject: Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Fateweaver's reroll has nothing to do specifically with miscasts, he can reroll ANY dice.
I'm a bit torn, actually. On one hand Teclis didn't cause the miscast, obviously. He can only cause a miscast by casting spells and it happens before spells are cast. But it also says,
"special rules or magic items that affect a normal miscast roll can be used against miscasts caused by the hellheart."
But then again, there are rules/items that modify the ROLL of the miscast (WoC Infernal Puppet, Book of Secrets) and rules/items that modify the EXISTENCE of the miscast (Teclis, Cupped Hands).
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2011/09/06 04:56:01
Subject: Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
HIDING IN THE METAL BAWKSES!!
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I think the hell heart would follow the same trend as that one scenario back in this year's ardboyz. (2nd round I believe it is)
Which means it could bypass both Teclis and Cupped Hands.
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2011/09/06 07:27:19
Subject: Re:Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Shrieking Guardian Jetbiker
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Man that wizard hunting is awesome! Makes me want to start playing ogres, not to mention all the other new rules and models
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2011/09/06 07:47:40
Subject: Re:Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
HIDING IN THE METAL BAWKSES!!
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Flank charged, Sucker!
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2011/09/06 13:37:29
Subject: Re:Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Fixture of Dakka
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Jackster wrote:
Flank charged, Sucker!
By what? I already plan to flank my 'blasters with units of gnobblar trappers. Cavalry takes dangerous terrain test, gets shot up by gnobblar thrown weapons, kills the gnobblars then takes S10 grapeshot or countercharged by the 'blaster.
After looking through the new book, I've been thinking about all the tactics now open to Ogre players that didn't exist before. Exciting.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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2011/09/06 14:19:52
Subject: Re:Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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agnosto wrote:Jackster wrote:
Flank charged, Sucker!
By what? I already plan to flank my 'blasters with units of gnobblar trappers. Cavalry takes dangerous terrain test, gets shot up by gnobblar thrown weapons, kills the gnobblars then takes S10 grapeshot or countercharged by the 'blaster.
After looking through the new book, I've been thinking about all the tactics now open to Ogre players that didn't exist before. Exciting.
an Ancient Steg that rolled really well on the charge.
the Ironblaster had turned to face another ancient that had managed to break through my lines.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2011/09/06 14:23:35
Subject: Re:Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Fixture of Dakka
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Grey Templar wrote:agnosto wrote:Jackster wrote:
Flank charged, Sucker!
By what? I already plan to flank my 'blasters with units of gnobblar trappers. Cavalry takes dangerous terrain test, gets shot up by gnobblar thrown weapons, kills the gnobblars then takes S10 grapeshot or countercharged by the 'blaster.
After looking through the new book, I've been thinking about all the tactics now open to Ogre players that didn't exist before. Exciting.
an Ancient Steg that rolled really well on the charge.
the Ironblaster had turned to face another ancient that had managed to break through my lines.
That's why you need two of them!
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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2011/09/06 14:23:59
Subject: Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
Dumbarton, Scotland
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As an aside, the title of this thread.
I'm sure the wizard haters are too busy stroking their magnificent beards behind a runelord with Master Rune of Spellbinding.
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2011/09/06 14:24:34
Subject: Re:Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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I did, the other was already turned at pointblank for some lovely Grapeshot action(and then I rolled a 2  )
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2011/09/06 16:19:04
Subject: Re:Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
HIDING IN THE METAL BAWKSES!!
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Grey Templar wrote:agnosto wrote:Jackster wrote:
Flank charged, Sucker!
By what? I already plan to flank my 'blasters with units of gnobblar trappers. Cavalry takes dangerous terrain test, gets shot up by gnobblar thrown weapons, kills the gnobblars then takes S10 grapeshot or countercharged by the 'blaster.
After looking through the new book, I've been thinking about all the tactics now open to Ogre players that didn't exist before. Exciting.
an Ancient Steg that rolled really well on the charge.
the Ironblaster had turned to face another ancient that had managed to break through my lines.
It was the only one that did lol, my Carnosaur and the Steg with Engine both rolled like crap.
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2011/09/16 16:31:35
Subject: Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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Member of the Malleus
Boston, MA
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To me, the big thing with the hell heart is that it will Poof! your power dice. Yes, miscasts dmg wizards, but most of them also say remove "d3 power dice" or whatever. It actually shuts down the magic phase much more effectively than the old one did, even you catch like half the wizards.
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2011/09/16 18:22:44
Subject: Re:Hate Wizards? Play Ogres
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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In addition to possably killing Wizards and giving you more dispell dice.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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