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Clearly cgmckenzie is trying to powergame by painting his models green.

AustonT wrote:You can paint your Sallies how you want I'll use my C:Armageddon since it specifically adressed Sallies and thier fluff rather than as a side note to smurfs.

You mean unlike all their most recent fluff, including BL releases then...?

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Clearly cgmckenzie is trying to powergame by painting his models green.

Exalted and 1 billionz interwebz!

Revenent Reiko wrote:

AustonT wrote:You can paint your Sallies how you want I'll use my C:Armageddon since it specifically adressed Sallies and thier fluff rather than as a side note to smurfs.

You mean unlike all their most recent fluff, including BL releases then...?

What more recent fluff do you mean specifically?
As far as BL releases go: often they are entertaining reads and they enrich the 40k universe as a source for canon there is far too muc artistic licence I.E. James Swallow.

AustonT wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:

AustonT wrote:You can paint your Sallies how you want I'll use my C:Armageddon since it specifically adressed Sallies and thier fluff rather than as a side note to smurfs.

You mean unlike all their most recent fluff, including BL releases then...?

What more recent fluff do you mean specifically?
As far as BL releases go: often they are entertaining reads and they enrich the 40k universe as a source for canon there is far too muc artistic licence I.E. James Swallow.

This one and the rest of the series

The first one (at least) is very good, and totally rekindled my long lost love for the Sallies. Its one of the better ones for Fluff consistency as well, and the Sallies in them are all coal black with red eyes...

And i meant the newest fluff in C:SM as well. Regardless of whether you get bent out of shape because the Salamanders are 'a footnote to the smurfs', it doesnt make it any less relevant and correct.

Theres a reason C:Armageddon isnt legal anymore.

Hmm generally I wouldn't mind and I think I share most of the arguments in favor of this being totally ok. Buuuuuut I must agree that it's a little odd for the Salamanders (who according to fluff IIRC are slow, not so jump-pack based, don't run to many psykers and don't have a lot of fast vehicles, which is basically what Blood Angels stand for) to be represented by the BA codex. But I guess as long as you keep a bit of that in mind you should be ok. Hell even if you don't I guess it's not super fluffy but still ok. Alternativly you could just do a colour scheme close to the Salamanders and say they are a splinter chapter of the Sallies that decides they like to fight differently. I think as long as no one runs a Black Templar list with the Space Wolves codex using 4 psykers the world will survive

I don't have a problem with this. After all my Dark Angels successors use the Space Marine Codex (specifically a bike army).

Blood Angels can field almost any unit that Marines can. You can, for example, field a normal three tactical, one assault, one devastator half company with the only difference being that the assault squad is a troops choice using the BA list.

Blood Angels also get options like taking melta and hammers in assault squads which Marines don't get. Rhino based assault squads work in with some elements of Salamander fluff (reduced reliance on jump packs).

They can also take Land Raider Redeemers as dedicated transports.

As long as I know what I'm playing against, and the list is legal, I don't care how you paint your plastic soldiers.

TBH the fact that BA can get TWO special weapons in a troops choice (2 meltas or 2 flamers) is what salamanders used to be able to get in 3rd edition... so in that way I don't see why not.

However - they don't use FA as extensively (high gravity) and are more stoic than the BA 'banzai' marines.

I don't see that one small detail overshadowing everything else the BA codex does that Salamanders don't do.

However, as I mentioned earlier, people are going to do this. The Blood Angels codex is basically Space Marines+. However, talking from a fluff perspective (which the OP was doing), the Blood Angels codex definitely does not represent Salamanders.

I am totally behind this. I use several Blood Angels models in my Salamanders army. (Although I don't use them as Blood Angels, I like Vulkan too much.) Tycho looks particularly smashing in green, with his PTO mask done up in bronze.

Revenent Reiko wrote:
The first one (at least) is very good, and totally rekindled my long lost love for the Sallies. Its one of the better ones for Fluff consistency as well, and the Sallies in them are all coal black with red eyes...

And i meant the newest fluff in C:SM as well. Regardless of whether you get bent out of shape because the Salamanders are 'a footnote to the smurfs', it doesnt make it any less relevant and correct.

Theres a reason C:Armageddon isnt legal anymore.

Because of GWs web design GENIUS your link sent me to the main page but I thought I glimpsed "Salamander" form the books section so I'll assume you mean that one. I'll have to pick it up and see what I think, even if its the best written book from BL; they still aren't canon.
Im pretty sure Sallies are described on exactly 3 pages of C:SM none of which actually say anything about their appearance. Which in fact I could be mistaken about, I leave that door open. It's probably even wise to admit that there is no description of the appearance of Sallies in their own IA or Armageddon. The studio artists have pretty frequently misunderstood fluff and painted things the wrong color, but the illustrations in WD and reprinted in the IA, C:A, and other publications show Tu'shan looking not even vaguely jet black, (granted its black and white, but he is decidedly on the white side of grey) and several marines that have some pretty distinctively dark, but not black, skin color and what one might consider "African" features. I tend to think that Caucasians are not the only ones that went to the stars. Aside from that, Jet black makes them look unfinished and ridiculous. I'll simply say I am unswayed by the current re-retcon.

As a side note C:Armageddon's main content is to tell a story, it's fluff remains relevant and if you really felt the need you could play from it. GW has addressed the idea of using older codexes before.

You'll also note that in the 5E C:SM a Sallie Librarian and Land Speeder appear in the painted section, both noted in this thread as being units generally not in Sallie armies...just food for thought.

Haha, sorry about the link, i cant fix it from work, but yes i meant 'Salamander' and that series. I really think you will enjoy them, they are bloody good (even though one of them is an audio book which i still cba to pick up).

BL books are canon btw, how reliable they are depends on the author, and Nick Kyme seems pretty up on his stuff fluff-wise. Throughout those books, the Sallies are coal black with red eyes (damn i am getting bored of typing that ). It is a very recent change though i have to say, so of course older books still have them as 'Africano-Marines'. Since it is a genetic defect (/change?) then i think the jet black is meant to be disturbingly different to actual skin tones, its kind of the point (like you dont find absolutely white people with jet black hair ie Raven Guard, at least, not very often).

Yes the fluff remains relevent from C:Armageddon, that wasnt the word i meant, sorry. Just...well, retconned tbh.

One of the main characters in the book is a Sallie Librarian, its never been my personal standpoint that they wouldnt have many of those...And the Sallies do use LS's, just not regularly.

Don't sweat it on the link, I figured it out

Even BL's boss doesnt consider them to be canon George Mann (bolded emphasis mine)

In further conversation, George emphasized that Black Library’s main objective was to “tell good stories”. He agreed that some points in certain novels could, perhaps, have benefited from the editor’s red pen (a certain multilaser was mentioned) but was at pains to explain that, just as each hobbyist tends to interpret the background and facts of the Warhammer and 40k worlds differently, so does each author. In essence, each author represents an “alternative” version of the respective worlds. After pressing him further, he explained that only the Studio material (rulebooks, codexes, army books and suchlike) was canonical in that is HAD to be adhered-to in the plots and background of the novels. There was no obligation on authors to adhere to facts and events as spelled out in Black Library work

Ripped straight from another Dakka post but also from a public meeting in 2008.

Aside from that; a separate and easily debatable topic. You are right Libbys and LS are used by the Sallies, on a limited basis. Its just the constant undertone of "Sallies don't use..." that prickles me. As you quite rightly pointed out the rules in C:A are no longer used, and since then no mention of the slow speed or lack of assault troops has been mentioned. And even if it was, mechanizing fully answers this fluff issue.

AustonT wrote:Don't sweat it on the link, I figured it out

Even BL's boss doesnt consider them to be canon George Mann (bolded emphasis mine)

In further conversation, George emphasized that Black Library’s main objective was to “tell good stories”. He agreed that some points in certain novels could, perhaps, have benefited from the editor’s red pen (a certain multilaser was mentioned) but was at pains to explain that, just as each hobbyist tends to interpret the background and facts of the Warhammer and 40k worlds differently, so does each author. In essence, each author represents an “alternative” version of the respective worlds. After pressing him further, he explained that only the Studio material (rulebooks, codexes, army books and suchlike) was canonical in that is HAD to be adhered-to in the plots and background of the novels. There was no obligation on authors to adhere to facts and events as spelled out in Black Library work

Ripped straight from another Dakka post but also from a public meeting in 2008.

Bolded mine, just because the BL books dont have to adhere to the current fluff, many of the best ones do (Dan Abnett being another perfect example).

Aside from that; a separate and easily debatable topic. You are right Libbys and LS are used by the Sallies, on a limited basis. Its just the constant undertone of "Sallies don't use..." that prickles me. As you quite rightly pointed out the rules in C:A are no longer used, and since then no mention of the slow speed or lack of assault troops has been mentioned. And even if it was, mechanizing fully answers this fluff issue.

I;ve never understood that either. Reduced numbers =/= none.