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I started with the SM half of AOBR and built a sizeable force but with my own chapter colors. The models are poorly painted and begging to be redone. I have decided to go with Salamanders but don't really like the SM main book. I am thinking of running them as Blood Angels, purely for the fact that they can get a storm raven. This would mean I loose Vulkan but gain the OP of BA in return. Not really a goal of mine, but an added benefit. Mephiston and other special characters will not be brought unless I really like the models.

So, my question to the internet: would you raise a stink if we were to play each other and my BA were an oddly green hue?

Mind you, I am not a competitive player, merely interested in the really cool models and playing fluffy matches. If I do compete, it is with my WAAAGH!. This list would be for fun matches. If playing Salamanders as BA would be unfun to the other half of my game, I will gladly not pursue this and pray that they make the rules for SR in the vanilla book.

-cgmckenzie

I would question why you would use BA codex and not paint them BA, but I wouldn't throw a piss fit over it.

No one is going to really give a crap, since everyone does it anyway.

I will say though, Salamanders play nothing like Blood Angels. Salamanders are about short ranged firefights, preferably with fire, very little assaulting and almost no fast attack. It's going to seem really strange having Salamanders raoring around in fast vehicles and assaulting the gak out of everything.

General questioning I can handle. The people who get all upset because they are a different color are a different story.

I would be painting them as Salamanders because I love their fluff and paint scheme but really dislike the vanilla marine codex.

The way I see it, paint shouldn't matter but some people see otherwise. To me, power armor is power armor and as long as any special characters or unique wargear is modeled, I can field it as whatever codex I choose.

Again, only my opinion.

-cgmckenzie

EDIT-Play style between them is something of a discrepancy, but I figure I could write it off as the assault company or something. I really don't plan on using the BA codex to the fullest, just getting a few choice models and leaving the special stuff on the shelf. The sanguinor and such will have no place there. Saguinary guard, however, might end up with dragon wings on their jump packs...

I disagree with Loki about play style, but I'll circle back to that.

I normally sit in front of my computer (or iPhone) and grumble things like "get your own codex" to myself. In this case I feel you have a good fit.
Sallies like to burn things, that's weird so do BA. Although rarely emphasized in the fluff or by players BA have an awful lot of burny hurt to bring to the table. Baals have always had Flamer sponsons and look a Redeemer now too. What part of that doesn't scream Sallie. Most BA mech and jump lists include a Melta or Flamer in every squad, who else likes meltas and flamers? Oh yes...Sallies. So you lose MC on the burny stuff, you can take a burny Pred, Burny LRs, and Burny ASM with TLHF on top...
I say Green BA are a go!
PS as I have said elsewhere on these boards Sallies aren't coal black, stop the madness. Brown skin, Blonde hair.

It's weird that you want to jump to BA when Salamanders are actually one of the chapters catered by C:SM the best. Having Vulkan in an army actually makes you build a force centred around melta, flamer and t. hammers just like, y'know, a Salamanders force is generally perceived in the fluff.

If you're codex-hopping just under the impression that it's a more competitive book I might have an issue with you not having a single BA model in the army. You'd need to have a pretty solid reason behind 'why' before I'd stop looking at you like this: o_O. Also, wasn't there a plethora of rumours that SM would get access to the Stormraven? Did that ever happen?

L. Wrex

L. Wrex

I think it's a dumb idea. What in the Blood Angels codex reflects the fluff of the Salamanders? Overpriced melta pistols? Just go with the Space Marine codex, and if you're playing a casual game ask if you can use a Stormraven. Most people should be okay with you taking a big, fragile, easy to shoot skimmer.

Gonna disagree with SRM. The color you paint your guys doesn't force any particular codex.

AustonT wrote:Sallies like to burn things, that's weird so do BA. Although rarely emphasized in the fluff or by players BA have an awful lot of burny hurt to bring to the table. Baals have always had Flamer sponsons and look a Redeemer now too. What part of that doesn't scream Sallie. Most BA mech and jump lists include a Melta or Flamer in every squad, who else likes meltas and flamers? Oh yes...Sallies. So you lose MC on the burny stuff, you can take a burny Pred, Burny LRs, and Burny ASM with TLHF on top...

What doesn't scream Salamanders? Baal predators for one. They don't have them. Assault Marines, secondly. They make very little use of them. Fast assault based armies thirdly. Salamanders are notoriously slower than normal Space Marines, and definitely slower than space vampires. Land Raider Redeemers? I haven't read the SM codex in a while. Remind me if they're in there.

This really feels like going to Blood Angels for competitive advantage rather than using the book because it fits the fluff better. As said, using Vulkan makes a Space Marine force scream Salamanders - master crafted heat weaponry and thunder hammers.

I do understand wanting to use a Stormraven, but not using the SM codex because it doesn't 'represent' the Salamanders is rubbish - it represents them perfectly fine.

So don't call them Baal preds, just look at the flamers. You can call it a promethian pred if it makes it work for you.
Redeemers are in the SM codex, that's where they debuted.
I know the IA and the Chapter Approved had Sallies as being slower than other marines. First of all the CA list is gone, second if you really want to play that way you are welcome to tell all your opponents that your Sallies are I3 including your named special character who is I5 and carries a spear.

My salamanders are black gold and silver, so in my opinion the color of your marine does not have to represent which codex you use. Just tell your opponents it's a count as Blood Angel army with a twist.

-Loki- wrote:

AustonT wrote:Sallies like to burn things, that's weird so do BA. Although rarely emphasized in the fluff or by players BA have an awful lot of burny hurt to bring to the table. Baals have always had Flamer sponsons and look a Redeemer now too. What part of that doesn't scream Sallie. Most BA mech and jump lists include a Melta or Flamer in every squad, who else likes meltas and flamers? Oh yes...Sallies. So you lose MC on the burny stuff, you can take a burny Pred, Burny LRs, and Burny ASM with TLHF on top...

What doesn't scream Salamanders? Baal predators for one. They don't have them. Assault Marines, secondly. They make very little use of them. Fast assault based armies thirdly. Salamanders are notoriously slower than normal Space Marines, and definitely slower than space vampires. Land Raider Redeemers? I haven't read the SM codex in a while. Remind me if they're in there.

This really feels like going to Blood Angels for competitive advantage rather than using the book because it fits the fluff better. As said, using Vulkan makes a Space Marine force scream Salamanders - master crafted heat weaponry and thunder hammers.

I do understand wanting to use a Stormraven, but not using the SM codex because it doesn't 'represent' the Salamanders is rubbish - it represents them perfectly fine.

Im going to have to agree with Loki on all counts im afraid cgmckenzie, sorry.

Sallies are nothing like BA and are perfectly covered by C:SM.

As I said before, I don't like C:SM for a few reasons, lack of storm ravens being one. A while back, I had thought about getting into BA because I like zooming around and killing things with my speed freek orks and figured that BA are the power armored version, but I do not like BA fluff or colors.

I am by no means claiming that the BA book represents Salamanders better the C:SM or that I want to make a true to fluff salamanders list. I literally just want to repaint my marines their colors(jet black skin and red eyes ) and see it as an opportunity to try a different codex as well.

-cgmckenzie

cgmckenzie wrote:As I said before, I don't like C:SM for a few reasons, lack of storm ravens being one. A while back, I had thought about getting into BA because I like zooming around and killing things with my speed freek orks and figured that BA are the power armored version, but I do not like BA fluff or colors.

I am by no means claiming that the BA book represents Salamanders better the C:SM or that I want to make a true to fluff salamanders list. I literally just want to repaint my marines their colors(jet black skin and red eyes ) and see it as an opportunity to try a different codex as well.

-cgmckenzie

Get yer own codex then

I do own all my codexes. And the current official fluff about them is jet black skin with red eyes in the current codex. Not really sure what that comment was trying to convey.

-cgmckenzie

I think he meant make up your own codex.

cgmckenzie wrote:I do own all my codexes.
-cgmckenzie

And that's what you got out of it?

What was the point of that statement then, Auston? You say 'get yer own' and I tell you I already own them.

If it is your little crusade about the skin color of the salamanders, you don't have a leg to stand on. They are jet black with red eyes in the current codex fluff, so that is the current canon.

-cgmckenzie

cgmckenzie wrote:As I said before, I don't like C:SM for a few reasons, lack of storm ravens being one. A while back, I had thought about getting into BA because I like zooming around and killing things with my speed freek orks and figured that BA are the power armored version, but I do not like BA fluff or colors.

Then do as said before, get a StormRaven and sak if it would be OK to use it with S:SM.

I am by no means claiming that the BA book represents Salamanders better the C:SM or that I want to make a true to fluff salamanders list. I literally just want to repaint my marines their colors(jet black skin and red eyes ) and see it as an opportunity to try a different codex as well.

-cgmckenzie

This contradicts you:

cgmckenzie wrote:Mind you, I am not a competitive player, merely interested in the really cool models and playing fluffy matches.

It wont be fluffy if your Sallies are are speeding around in the FA section, using Preds they dont have and units they dont have....

I do understand that all you want to do is use a StormRaven, but again, just ask to use one, i wouldnt mind, im sure a lot of other people wouldnt either.

@Auston:
They have coal black skin and red eyes now, it was retconned, get over it.

I like the idea of having a full codex army so that I can take it official events if I chose to. If I want to have a SR, I need to run either BA or GK, and I am going nowhere near the GK.

As for the contradiction, I should have said scenario games with story and stuff that we do a lot of in my FLGS. So if the fluff salamanders don't mesh exactly with my tabletop salamanders, I won't have a problem with that. I just really like their paint and color scheme.

-cgmckezie

AustonT wrote:

I normally sit in front of my computer (or iPhone) and grumble things like "get your own codex" to myself. In this case I feel you have a good fit.
PS as I have said elsewhere on these boards Sallies aren't coal black, stop the madness. Brown skin, Blonde hair.

cgmckenzie wrote:What was the point of that statement then, Auston? You say 'get yer own' and I tell you I already own them.

If it is your little crusade about the skin color of the salamanders, you don't have a leg to stand on. They are jet black with red eyes in the current codex fluff, so that is the current canon.

-cgmckenzie

I'll let you figure it out on your own.

Revenent Reiko wrote:

It wont be fluffy if your Sallies are are speeding around in the FA section, using Preds they dont have and units they dont have....

I do understand that all you want to do is use a StormRaven, but again, just ask to use one, i wouldnt mind, im sure a lot of other people wouldnt either.

@Auston:
They have coal black skin and red eyes now, it was retconned, get over it.

It's funny you want to use old fluff, but tell me to "get over" everything else that is retconned. Sallies are no longer slower than other marines, thats why they are in C:SM with I4 otherwise Vulkan's chapter tactics would also include an entry to the tune of "when Vulkan is chosen all salamnders marines count as I3" and would impose a 0-1 limit on ASM and Bikes. Since the fluff says that the reason for thier not using either squad is the high gravity environment, ASM in Rhinos is not just fluffy, it's the logical answer.

People play counts as armies get over it.

I wouldn't even care a little bit.

Auston, they are now jet black with red eyes. Trying to argue otherwise is just wrong. Years ago, they had a yellow and black color scheme but that changed, too. Get over the change. Saying to stop the madness of something in the fluff that the company who owns the fluff wants there is silly. When they change it to something else, that will be the official colors but until then, it is jet black and red eyes.

-cgmckenzie

If you want to do this, just make sure you've actually painted your figs, and you've done the necessary assemblies/conversions they are strictly WYSIWYG.

If you fulfill that, you'll be pretty armored against the accusation that you're just codex hopping. As has been said, lots of folks do it, and some folks don't like it, but as long as it's clear what everything is, you shouldn't have any major issues.

Color? By all means paint them green, black and gold and use any marine dex you have.

I'd be happy to play against you simply because they:

1. Had more than just primer
2. Had ANY paint at all.

[quote=AustonT

Revenent Reiko wrote:

It wont be fluffy if your Sallies are are speeding around in the FA section, using Preds they dont have and units they dont have....

I do understand that all you want to do is use a StormRaven, but again, just ask to use one, i wouldnt mind, im sure a lot of other people wouldnt either.

@Auston:
They have coal black skin and red eyes now, it was retconned, get over it.

It's funny you want to use old fluff, but tell me to "get over" everything else that is retconned. Sallies are no longer slower than other marines, thats why they are in C:SM with I4 otherwise Vulkan's chapter tactics would also include an entry to the tune of "when Vulkan is chosen all salamnders marines count as I3" and would impose a 0-1 limit on ASM and Bikes. Since the fluff says that the reason for thier not using either squad is the high gravity environment, ASM in Rhinos is not just fluffy, it's the logical answer.

People play counts as armies get over it.

Sallie fluff is easy demonstrated in HF RBs ASM with meltas or flamers. Baals with redeemer mainguns and flamers. Justifying fast is pretty easy, when you use short range weapons you have to get close.
You can paint your Sallies how you want I'll use my C:Armageddon since it specifically adressed Sallies and thier fluff rather than as a side note to smurfs.

I honestly don't care what color your blood angels are, but I would point out that they are just green blood angels.

Chlorophyll Angels.

Who cares about paint scheme?

Just be wysiwyg. I could care less if they are painted bubble gum pink and safety green.

It's your paint scheme. I also enjoy kit bashing and counts as. If you want to say all your grenade launchers in your IG army are firing melta grenades and therefore are melta guns, go for it.

But paint scheme? That's all yours. Just be wysiwyg and consistent to a fault on your 'counts as'.

IMHO, anyone else is just trying to be tfg in a different way.

IMO if you can give me a good back story to it all I don't care how they are painted. Just as in any game you will always have those that beat the rule book as the be all and end all of the game. They are the ones who are never fun to play as they tend to have no imagination what-so-ever....