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Even if you could push enemy vehicles around that would be great. Imagine pushing an enemy rhino with troops off an objective.

tedurur wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

tedurur wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Tyranids? Tyranids. wrote:Imo the Sigeg Shield could confer some bonus to a ram. Being ramed by something that drives through fortifications without much of a problem should cause more damage than a rhino...it would also make the Vindicator less useless when/if the cannon gets blown off...

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The thing is, it doesn't damage structures because it rams them hard, it's because it builds up enough pressure to raze the static walls. If you try doing the same to a vehicle, it'll just push it around.

Oh I see, didnt realize that Vindicators of the 40th millenium was the same as them Bulldozers we have now...I think its fairly well established that the Vindicators can simply drive through a wall thanks to its large momentum, it does not need to use hyraulics to build up pressure until the fortification collapses and as such it would be better att ramming tanks as well.

You missed the point. Buildings are anchored to the ground, vehicles are not. Thus, you'd simply shunt the vehicle out of the way.

Aah, I see. Just like a car gets shunt out of the way when it collides with a train or lorry/truck
The Vindicator has a higher momentum/speed. As such it will be able to exert a higher stress on the materials in the object it is colliding with. Collisions between real worlds objects are not elastic...

The point I'm trying to make is that just because you can smash through an armoured wall it doesn't mean that you can smash through armoured vehicles. Why would a Vindicator deal more damage to a vehicle just because it's got a glorified bulldozer blade attatched? If anything, it should deal less damage because it spreads the ramming power of a Rhino over a larger surface area. In return, it should move the victim further away while suffering less stress to it's own hull. The thing is just that if you move parts of a building somewhere else, it's quite likely to come crashing down...

The Vindicator is heavier than the Rhino (and probably also heavier than the Pred). The surface area of the Vindicators blade is larger, but that is not important. The important part is how much of that area that comes in contact with the other object. The shape of blade makes it very plausible that the area of interaction is vastly smaller than that of a Rhino.

Its also a valid assumption that the blade is made out of harder materials. As such, less energy will be lost due to deformation of the blade than in the case of a rhino.

If what you are saying was true then why would Vindicators and not Preds be used to drive trough walls? The larger the area of contact the more force would be needed to collapse a wall...

Anyway, not gonna argue physics anymore...

tedurur wrote:
If what you are saying was true then why would Vindicators and not Preds be used to drive trough walls? The larger the area of contact the more force would be needed to collapse a wall...

Because the Siege Shield protects the vulnerable top of the Vindicator from falling debris and because the force would spread out over a larger area of the tank as well, meaning that you wouldn't bust your front every time you drove through a bunker. Add to that that a Demolisher Cannon is way more suited for anti-building tasks than the weaponry of a Predator and it's not that strange IMO.

To be fair I think the storm shield should give the vindicator more protection but cost the same.

Siege Shield: (20 pts)
Automatically Pass any Dangerous Terrain Test.
Give -2 Ld Check for Tank Shock Attacks
Give +2 Str for Ramming Attacks
Have Ceramite Shielding on Front Armour Only

Don't know much about siege shields but I know about knocking down buildings with dozers.

It has less to do with the blade and the speed and more to do with the weight of the machine, engine power and traction.

You can get up to full speed and smash into something - once.

You can drive up to something raise the blade up and push into the object.
Weight of the machine gives more ground pressure which gives more traction.

I can see how a machine designed to push over buildings wouldn't necessarily be good for ramming.

It would be good for pushing things around the board though and if it was to crush another vehicle between the blade and a building it would be very bad news for the other vehicle.

It could also give a cover save (4+ or 5+) for the Vindicator (only against attacks in the front arc), as it covers everything except the gun and the lights. It would need to go up in price, but would fit the unstoppable tank charging at fortifications theme.