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By most you mean "the most technologically advanced" and by "it just does" you mean "it just does because we don't understand why, not necessarily because it shouldn't work", right? Because that I would agree with.

They can make massive warmachines, starships, void shields, and a ork portable device capable of creating a semi-stable path through the warp. Also not all of their stuff is "It works because i think it should" some of the stuff actually works, but it works better in ork hands.
They can also figure out tactics advanced enough to give SM trouble.
That sounds fairly advanced to me...

Anything ork built won't work for non orks. Also according to the fluff (sigh) is that the mek is more surprised then other orks when something he's made works.

that last bit if i remember was in the 2nd edition book aswell as the current.

Melissia wrote:By most you mean "the most technologically advanced" and by "it just does" you mean "it just does because we don't understand why, not necessarily because it shouldn't work", right? Because that I would agree with.

yes thats what i meant

The orks only have their technology because its imprinted in their DNA by the Old Ones. Every Big Mek knows how to build the technology he does, he may not understand why it works. He just knows how to do it.

Technological Advancement may be unfitting for the exact situation.

yes that lol

Grey Templar wrote:The orks only have their technology because its imprinted in their DNA by the Old Ones.

No they don't. They have an instinctual understanding of mechanics, chemistry ,physics, electricity, etc, then experiment to find out how best to use this. Otherwise all Ork vehicles would look the same (hint: they don't)..

they say your never more then fifty feet away from a rat in a city. i reckon something like that could be said about orks. the only reason orks are not in charge is because of their nature to fight. if there is no humans, eldar, chaos boyz, tyranids or tau in reach they'll fight eachother

GentlemanGuy wrote:they say your never more then fifty feet away from a rat in a city. i reckon something like that could be said about orks. the only reason orks are not in charge is because of their nature to fight. if there is no humans, eldar, chaos boyz, tyranids or tau in reach they'll fight eachother

What they actually say is "In any modern city you are never more than 4 feet away from a Man U supporter" and in fairness, when there aren't any other enemies around humanity can fight just as many intercine wars as the Orks can and probably for stupider reasons as well.

Right, at least Orks know they're just doing it for fun.

Fun and for science... which tends to be the same thing for orks...

Lol a bunch of bored Orks do sound like bored Man U supporters in liverpool

Basically orks don't make sense, they're a paradox of sorts.

It isn't possible to logically combine the threat they supposedly pose with how stupid and wacky GW likes them to be. It doesn't combine with their ability to traverse space and it doesn't combine with their military capability or exploits. GW really wants it to though, because I guess it appeals to kids? or hooligans or whatever? Maybe they're just stubborn. So they make up stuff like latent psychic powers and reproduction through spores, which is crap and is also why we have to deal with people who talk like orks in real life.

As they are now, orks are just ridiculous, and not in a fun way. At least in RT they made sense, sort of.

Melissia wrote:Right, at least Orks know they're just doing it for fun.

Maybe thats the problem with our society. lets all start clobbering each other for laughs.


Fighting for fun was popular during the Roman Empire and later during the middle ages. The world could use more blood sports.

Almarine wrote:So they make up stuff like latent psychic powers and reproduction through spores

... no, Orks do NOT have latent psychic powers. The gestalt psychic field they produce is quite well defined, actually. It primarily affects (and is affected by) Ork psychology, making them more confident the more Orks there are, as well as enforcing Orky behavior. There are other very, very minor effects (the color system for example), but they're not as strong as people like to make them out to be.

The reproduction through spores actually makes some sense, as it allows them to reproduce without thinking and thus devote ALL of their life to war.

Orks were pretty much stated on being the most populous race in the Galaxy in both the 5th Ed rulebook and 4th Ed Ork Codex. It's canon basically.

Not only that, they probably outnumber all the other races combined if you exclude extragalactic groups like the Tyranids.

Ork worlds/empires are pretty common, keep in mind while the Imperium is spread over most of the Galaxy it by no means controls even 1% of the Milky Way. Not even 1% of 1%. A million worlds is nothing for the Galaxy, which contains hundreds of billions of stars. The Orks dwell in the massive amount of non-Imperial space, along with many undiscovered civilizations as a whole.

The actual "space" of a map of the Imperium is not that important, the "Imperial Domanitus" maps are mostly just propaganda. Between Imperial worlds/systems there is massive space where there's no Imperial presence in the least. The only thing that connects all these little dots of Imperial civilization together is Warp Travel.

Hrmm... so the only real true threat to orcs would be tyranids? Dince all their spores would just get turned into more genestealers?

sudojoe wrote:Hrmm... so the only real true threat to orcs would be tyranids? Dince all their spores would just get turned into more genestealers?

Oddly enough, gene-stealers have a very, VERY hard time surviving in Ork society because of their gestalt psychic field. Any ork infected is un-Orky and killed off, then burned. "Gene-sneakers" are far less of a problem for Orks than humans.

And AFAIK, the genestealer infection doesn't actually effect their spores much. They must individually infect other Orks.

sudojoe wrote:Hrmm... so the only real true threat to orcs would be tyranids? Dince all their spores would just get turned into more genestealers?

Tyranids are a threat to the whole universe. They are the strongest race in the galaxy.

There used to be rules for ork-stealer hybrids, alas long since OOP.

The Stealer implant makes you want to breed to birth hybrids, working toawrds 4th generation stelaer hybrids (IIRC) that will be purestrain stealers born of human looking hybrid parents (3rd generation hybrids).

Orks dont breed, these days, so that doesnt work, and hybrids are too purplish to look properly green and orky.

Melissia wrote:

Almarine wrote:So they make up stuff like latent psychic powers and reproduction through spores

... no, Orks do NOT have latent psychic powers. The gestalt psychic field they produce is quite well defined, actually. It primarily affects (and is affected by) Ork psychology, making them more confident the more Orks there are, as well as enforcing Orky behavior. There are other very, very minor effects (the color system for example), but they're not as strong as people like to make them out to be.

It is argued how strong the psychic field is. The only reason that orks don't have psychic energy coming out of their ears is that they don't think they have psychic energy coming out of their ears. Of course psychology gets a lot from WAAAGH! energy, but I believe that WAAAGH! energy has a lot to play in ork technology. I seem to remember a case in which a techmarine splits open a slugga and finds iron shavings and nothing else.

I don't see any cannon saying what you say is so.

Ascalam wrote:There used to be rules for ork-stealer hybrids, alas long since OOP.

The Stealer implant makes you want to breed to birth hybrids, working toawrds 4th generation stelaer hybrids (IIRC) that will be purestrain stealers born of human looking hybrid parents (3rd generation hybrids).

Orks dont breed, these days, so that doesnt work, and hybrids are too purplish to look properly green and orky.

Nonetheless, Genestealers appear perfectly capable of infecting Ork society in sufficient numbers to attract a Hive Fleet.

Evidence: The Ork Empire of Octavius/Octarius (GW seems to alternate spellings but it's clear they are referring to the same) that Kryptman seeded with captured Genestealers. In the 4th ed. Tyranid Codex, it says that the original infestation was wiped out but by then it had already spread across the Ork empire, and drew Hive Fleet Leviathan.

Nor are Ork spores and the Ork ecosystem a definitive defense against Tyranids. In Planetstrke, it describes the initial attacks of Hive Fleet Leviathan and how the Ork world of Orrok is overcome and stripped bare, and in the 5th ed. Tyranid Codex it specifically mentions how after Orrok fell, the Ork world of Ghorala was eventually overcome by the Tyranids.

Thus though the Ork reproductive system gives it advantages over humans, and an Ork likely matures into a battle ready warrior more quickly than a human, the Orks are still under threat from the unified forces of the Tyranids. Orks, by their fractitious nature, are spread across the galaxy in their own little empires. These empires are susceptible to being picked off individually.

Good question. none knows.
Since no one has ever conduct a survey on populations of the two races.
AFAIK
- Orks were created by another sentient race (Old Ones? or Slann?), the creator is a same race that creates Eldar
I'm not sure if this race was designed to fight Necrons by using the concepts of 'Numerous life VS a handful hard undread race)
- Ork diasprosa happens before Eldar empire was found. (or at least before Eldar mastered the utilization of Webway ... which someone else made before them)
I don't think Ork knows how to use one. someone else must have seeded them every corner in the Milky way)
- Orks have a fungial reproduction system. while Eldars are more like human, genital.
Thus any world populated by Orks will remain populated until the Inquisition declares Exterminatus In Extremis on a planet. I'm not sure if any Imperial forces can completely wiped out a whole race of Orks on any imperial planet? or if there's any less catastrophic means to get rid of them and no local orks will rise again?
- Not all human populated world belongs to the Imperium. the farthest reach the Imperium extend was either as far as Ultima Macharia (Macharius crusade) or Interex (Pre HH).. Noted that Interex was never conquered (and too bad Horus himself led a failed attempt to subdue them). I don't know where Interex exactly is but the only reference to this 'human nation' is from the time of the great crusade. just before HH. that could mean that Interex is more or less beyond the reach of Astronomicon, no further Imperial expeditions attempts on Interex was made afterwards.
I'm not sure if there's any other Human nations other than the Imperium of Man, and the ever-independent Interex? except that other nations are either belongs to Chaos, or Tau Empire.

I gotta give it to the Orks they are the most happy race in 40k. They always know what they are suppose to do, their place in society and are immune to over-indulgence and the desire for pleasure. There are no women, really no men. Imagine all the stupid thing you guys do out there for women, they don't have to impess anyone. They are not built with an anthropologic need to mate, to produce offspring which drives most of what we do. Even if the IOM wins it will be doomed to the fate of the Eldar. Like the empires before it Roman, British, United States all empires fall rapidly after they hit their peak 18th century historian Alexander Tytler outlined the fall of empires as:
“From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”

I think it can be agreed by most the galaxy will close with the final war between Orks and Tyranids. Who wins that is not really known, Ork players say Orks, Tyranid players say Tyranids. Neighter will surrender or back down and both can produce like no ones business and neither one would want to see it end, ever.

zilegil wrote:The only reason that orks don't have psychic energy coming out of their ears is that they don't think they have psychic energy coming out of their ears.

No.

That is NOT the case. The reason Orks don't have psychic energy coming out of their ears is because they're not psykers. Weirdboyz are psykers. Other Boyz are not.

^ more reasons.

Orks value 'Might' .. not 'Magic', as they were originally created for war by an ancient sentient race.

Melissia wrote:

zilegil wrote:The only reason that orks don't have psychic energy coming out of their ears is that they don't think they have psychic energy coming out of their ears.

No.

That is NOT the case. The reason Orks don't have psychic energy coming out of their ears is because they're not psykers. Weirdboyz are psykers. Other Boyz are not.

Then what makes the orks slugga work?

"Many captured ork weapons and items of equipment do not work unless wielded by an ork. I theorize that many ork inventions work because the orks themselves think they should work - the strong telekinetic abilities of the ork subconscious somehow ensure they function as desired."
A quote from the current orks codex. Page ten.

The only reason that weirdboyz have psychic energy coming out there ears is that they are nutcases. They actually believe that warp energy is coming out there ears.

zilegil wrote:Then what makes the orks slugga work?

Well, probably various mechanisms that propel a projectile at high velocity down the length of the barrel. Seriously, they don't get to just decide what happens. It has to be grounded in real technology. That Tech-Priest also didn't specify which of the "many" weapons he was referring to - as an example, Orkish teleportation technology is beyond that of the Imperium's, so the Tech-Priest may well assume that it is Psychically rather than technically based as he simply can't understand it properly.

Remember, that's an in-universe source, not an omniscient narrator point of view. It's likely to have some merit, but it's from the viewpoint of an Imperial for a reason.

Not all ork weapons work using the latent Psychic energy of the Orks themselves.

Ork shootas and Trukks can be operated by anyone. a Shock Attack Gun or KMB would not.

Though slugga's/shootas are more prone to jamming in other hands.

WE'Z DA ORKZ CUZ WE WINZ


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Hargus56 wrote:I gotta give it to the Orks they are the most happy race in 40k.

Lies and slander. Second happiest race. The happiest are the space weeaboos.