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The Emperor would kill Sauron, butcher his orcs and then turn and kill Aragorn and Gandalf before crusading through Middle-Earth.

In 50 years they would have space ships.
   
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biccat wrote:Honestly, you're asking this on a 40k-centric forum. Of course most people are going to say "Emprah!"

That's like going to a Blood Angels forum and asking who would win between Horus and Sanguinius (canon notwithstanding).

Sauron is essentially a god, he has the ability to change reality around him at a whim, while the Emperor at least has to manifest psychic powers to do so, yet still has to generally follow the laws of physics.

I don't really think that the Emperor would have a chance. It would be like trying to take on one of the Chaos Gods in the Warp. The Emperor would be so hopelessly outclassed that it wouldn't even be a fight.


Or you know, it could be because Sauron barely has anything resembling "feats" and is by all accounts, a punk bitch.

Magnus the Red had the ability to change reality on a whim, capable of turning the sea to acid, and ripping apart the surface of Prospero while he fought Leman Russ, using his vast psychic powers. The Emperor is even more powerful. Also, "god" is a title, a meaningless one at that. Sauron has on IIRC two separate occasions been laid low by mortals, exceptional mortals perhaps, but mortals nontheless. Oh, and Sauron is more akin to an "angel," a lesser one at that, a Maiar. The Valar, like his former master, Morgoth, are greater angels. Eru Illuvitar is the only god in the Tolkienverse.

Only a lot of evidence points to the Emperor being as powerful as a Chaos God. And Sauron isn't even worth mentioning in the same sentence as any "god" in 40k. Lord of the Rings operates on a much lower scale than 40k does. The Emperor blasts apart Sauron's very existence. Sauron isn't even worth a single Greater Daemon by feats.
   
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Void__Dragon wrote:Or you know, it could be because Sauron barely has anything resembling "feats" and is by all accounts, a punk bitch.

Option 2: Sauron created orcs. An Orc would have pwned the Emperor's b**** a** but for the intervention of Horus.

Sauron wins.

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biccat wrote:Option 2: Sauron created orcs. An Orc would have pwned the Emperor's b**** a** but for the intervention of Horus.

Sauron wins.
Not sure if serious.

You are aware that Orks in 40k are larger, stronger, and much more powerful than Lord of the Rings orcs right?

Orcs in Lord of the Rings are actually much different than the common perception of an orc, they're cunning and intelligent, actually more technologically advanced than the other races. They also are not necessarily physically stronger than humans, not like Uruk-hai are. They're also cowardly, standard orc formations involving the biggest, strongest orcs in the back to prevent the cowardly ones from running away.

Beyond that, the Ork "struggled" to strangle the Emperor, the text didn't imply that it was succeeding.
   
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Void__Dragon wrote:You are aware that Orks in 40k are larger, stronger, and much more powerful than Lord of the Rings orcs right?

Yes, I'm aware that Orks and Orcs are different species.

However, as I said, this thread is going to be overwhelmingly pro-Emperor because it's a 40k forum. Any reasoning is going to include subjective assessments of one or the other's power.

Like every other thread that's "Emperor vs. X", "Primarcy vs. X" or "Space Marines vs. X", it's ultimately a fanboy contest. I simply provided a differing view and some rationale to support it (ok, in my first post, the second was flippant). I did not mean to offend.

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biccat wrote:Yes, I'm aware that Orks and Orcs are different species.

However, as I said, this thread is going to be overwhelmingly pro-Emperor because it's a 40k forum. Any reasoning is going to include subjective assessments of one or the other's power.

Like every other thread that's "Emperor vs. X", "Primarcy vs. X" or "Space Marines vs. X", it's ultimately a fanboy contest. I simply provided a differing view and some rationale to support it (ok, in my first post, the second was flippant). I did not mean to offend.


I was not offended.

Nor am I by any means a fanboy of the Emperor. I think he's kind of a big meaniehead.
   
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biccat wrote:
Void__Dragon wrote:You are aware that Orks in 40k are larger, stronger, and much more powerful than Lord of the Rings orcs right?

Yes, I'm aware that Orks and Orcs are different species.

However, as I said, this thread is going to be overwhelmingly pro-Emperor because it's a 40k forum. Any reasoning is going to include subjective assessments of one or the other's power.

Like every other thread that's "Emperor vs. X", "Primarcy vs. X" or "Space Marines vs. X", it's ultimately a fanboy contest. I simply provided a differing view and some rationale to support it (ok, in my first post, the second was flippant). I did not mean to offend.


i agree with you on part that this is a bit of a fan boy bash, but against souron the Emporer is just so much more superior in almost every way.

now if you asked who would win Emperor Vs jedi

you'll get you fanboys sayng the emporer but in truth we all know the jedi would win

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Void__Dragon wrote:The Emperor simply walks into Mordor. And proceeds to blow it up.

Seriously, the Emperor could crush Sauron and his forces by himself. I literally doubt any of their weapons could so much as penetrate his skin.

40k operates on a much greater scale than Lord of the Rings.




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Revenent Reiko wrote:7 years before 40k, i checked on Wikipedia just after i posted (thought i should cover my bases in case someone disagreed... not that you are of course, just saying )

This is also the point where we start listing everywhere GW stole their ideas from....ill start, Power Armour from Starship Troopers....

EDIT: ahh Spelling, my old enemy *shakes fist*


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NEW TOPIC: LotR Orcs v. Space Orks.

Who win?

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KilroyKiljoy wrote:NEW TOPIC: LotR Orcs v. Space Orks.

Who win?


Space Orks

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The emperor of course is going to win. Sauron doesn't stand a chance.
   
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JamesMclaren123 wrote:you'll get you fanboys sayng the emporer but in truth we all know the jedi would win
They certainly wouldn't.
   
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TechMarine1 wrote:
Revenent Reiko wrote:7 years before 40k, i checked on Wikipedia just after i posted (thought i should cover my bases in case someone disagreed... not that you are of course, just saying )

This is also the point where we start listing everywhere GW stole their ideas from....ill start, Power Armour from Starship Troopers....

EDIT: ahh Spelling, my old enemy *shakes fist*


Genestealers from Alien. Necrons from Terminator (that's why they'll be back).


This is sort of an unfair assumption. When it comes to works of science fiction, fiction, and heck everything else, it is always influenced by something already existing. The Horus Hersey is heavily influenced by religious texts we find in our world, and most religious texts have parallels from ancient religions that have been recycled and refined over tens of thousands of years.

There is literally no new idea under the sun, period.

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Crom wrote:
TechMarine1 wrote:
Revenent Reiko wrote:7 years before 40k, i checked on Wikipedia just after i posted (thought i should cover my bases in case someone disagreed... not that you are of course, just saying )

This is also the point where we start listing everywhere GW stole their ideas from....ill start, Power Armour from Starship Troopers....

EDIT: ahh Spelling, my old enemy *shakes fist*


Genestealers from Alien. Necrons from Terminator (that's why they'll be back).


This is sort of an unfair assumption. When it comes to works of science fiction, fiction, and heck everything else, it is always influenced by something already existing. The Horus Hersey is heavily influenced by religious texts we find in our world, and most religious texts have parallels from ancient religions that have been recycled and refined over tens of thousands of years.

There is literally no new idea under the sun, period.
This. And its not like they really stole the ideas anyways. Just because the starship troopers wore powered armor doesnt mean power armor and powered armor are the same. And then when they do "steal" the ideas, theyre blatently obvious and often times hint to the subjects that theyve used the ideas from (i.e well be back).

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Ok, so mostly it's agreed that the emprah would destroy sauron without much effort. How about sauron vs horus (loyal preheresy horus)?

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Silly, the Emperah is Sauron

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The Emperor would win, but I think you're underestimating Sauron. I mean, the only reason he got beaten so "easy" the first time, it's because the guy was wielding a magical elven sword. Think of it as a master-crafted force relic blade. With a name. Also,his ring gives him super-strenght, mind-and-soul-raping powers, immunity to mind-rape, super resileance, magical armor and, if they fight with armies, hordes and hordes of orcs and uruk-hai; also Nazgul and those weird drake things. Also, I know it wouldn't make a change in an actual fight, but Toklien can curb-stomp every single author that has ever worked for Games Workshop, in the literary way, of course.

So, the Emperor would win, but Sauron would put up a good fight.

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Belexar wrote:The Emperor would win, but I think you're underestimating Sauron. I mean, the only reason he got beaten so "easy" the first time, it's because the guy was wielding a magical elven sword. Think of it as a master-crafted force relic blade. With a name. Also,his ring gives him super-strenght, mind-and-soul-raping powers, immunity to mind-rape, super resileance, magical armor and, if they fight with armies, hordes and hordes of orcs and uruk-hai; also Nazgul and those weird drake things. Also, I know it wouldn't make a change in an actual fight, but Toklien can curb-stomp every single author that has ever worked for Games Workshop, in the literary way, of course.

So, the Emperor would win, but Sauron would put up a good fight.


Magical elven sword wouldn't even be as potent as the Emperor's bare hands, let alone the sword he wielded that's name I forgot. Also, Master-Crafted Force Relic Blade? Narsil, assuming that is indeed the sword of which you speak, would only MAYBE be as potent as a generic power sword. Also, Narsil was crafted by the Dwarves. Sauron's ring didn't grant him any of those abilities. The One Ring's powers were more subtle, it granted dominion over other beings wielding Rings of Power, as well as domination of lesser minds. It to an extent enhances any inherent abilities the wielder possesses. Galadriel suggests that it could allow one to read minds, eventually. It can also project a sort of aura of fear, as Samwise Gamgee demonstrated, appearing much larger and more intimidating to the Orcs of Cirith Ungol. It also allowed him to conjure greater armies of orcs as well, as you said, or something, it's pretty vague on what that means.

Sorry to nitpick, but I don't think Sauron has a chance in hell.
   
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Okay, it's been eight whole years since I've read LOTR, so give me a break on the details, okay?

Anyways, I'm not saying he'd have a chance, but he wouldn't get totally curbstomped either. Also, I'm not saying Auron's ring granted him super strenght and stuff. He had all those things already. Technically, all the ring did was to supercharge the powers he already had, isnce when he forged the ring he put his own escence into it. So, he's wearing a ring that gives him the same powers he already has, therefore he just gets even stronger.

Also, ten people voted for Sauron?

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Neither would win. The Emperor would probably defeat Sauron. But he couldn't know to destroy the Ring, so Sauron would just draw on its power over the course of years to rebuild his form.

Then he'd get his ass kicked again.

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The Witch King, duh. Unless the Emperor had the SoB fight in his stead

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the main problem with this argument is that the emperor is more advanced in every way

armour
weapons etc etc

in addition he would not have to destroy the ring. when he killed horus the Emporer destroyed his entire essense in the warp. as i understand it when souron created the ring he poured the most potent part of his soul into the ring using clever magic to amplify this part of his soul (which if we are merging both universes to have this fight then that would have a pressence in the warp) so the emperor could detroy the essence of the ring with his psykic might without having to throw it in mount doom.

what would be a fairer fight would be souron fighting a WHFB charater

Son you can insult me, you can ambush me, you can even take away my weapons. But if you think im going to step one single pinky toe inside blue base with out my SHOTGUN... you must not know who you dealing with.
I said move...
and i said SHOTGUN...
yes I have your shotgun
no.. i mean SHOT...-GUN
what is this... you think im going to give you your shotgun back because you asked???
i said SHOTGUN.... SHOTGUN DAMMIT!!!
oh yeah shotgun... thats my que.  
   
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The emprah, no doubt about it. Sauron was a wimp


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Jollydevil wrote:
Crom wrote:
TechMarine1 wrote:
Revenent Reiko wrote:7 years before 40k, i checked on Wikipedia just after i posted (thought i should cover my bases in case someone disagreed... not that you are of course, just saying )

This is also the point where we start listing everywhere GW stole their ideas from....ill start, Power Armour from Starship Troopers....

EDIT: ahh Spelling, my old enemy *shakes fist*


Genestealers from Alien. Necrons from Terminator (that's why they'll be back).


This is sort of an unfair assumption. When it comes to works of science fiction, fiction, and heck everything else, it is always influenced by something already existing. The Horus Hersey is heavily influenced by religious texts we find in our world, and most religious texts have parallels from ancient religions that have been recycled and refined over tens of thousands of years.

There is literally no new idea under the sun, period.
This. And its not like they really stole the ideas anyways. Just because the starship troopers wore powered armor doesnt mean power armor and powered armor are the same. And then when they do "steal" the ideas, theyre blatently obvious and often times hint to the subjects that theyve used the ideas from (i.e well be back).


We all draw ideas from everything around us. In fact some people use this to argue against free will, that free will is more of an illusion because you are influenced to make all your decisions based on your experiences and environment. Just like ideas, they never go away, but they can change, be borrowed, transformed, amalgamated with other ideas, etc.

I love to write and most of my writing is fiction/science fiction and I draw ideas from everything I have ever read, movie I have watched, video game I have played, etc. It is impossible to be 100% original.

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Uhlan wrote:Well, looking at it from a certain perspective it wouldn't be much of a fight.

Sauron yelling obscenities trapped in the infinite void and the Emperor trapped in a corpse on his golden throne...

Sauron: You suck

Emperor: no, YOU suck..

Sauron: You're a freakin' corpse!

Emperor: at least I have a body.

Something like that. It'd get boring really fast.


This.....actually made sense!

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Crom wrote:
Jollydevil wrote:
Crom wrote:
TechMarine1 wrote:
Revenent Reiko wrote:7 years before 40k, i checked on Wikipedia just after i posted (thought i should cover my bases in case someone disagreed... not that you are of course, just saying )

This is also the point where we start listing everywhere GW stole their ideas from....ill start, Power Armour from Starship Troopers....

EDIT: ahh Spelling, my old enemy *shakes fist*


Genestealers from Alien. Necrons from Terminator (that's why they'll be back).


This is sort of an unfair assumption. When it comes to works of science fiction, fiction, and heck everything else, it is always influenced by something already existing. The Horus Hersey is heavily influenced by religious texts we find in our world, and most religious texts have parallels from ancient religions that have been recycled and refined over tens of thousands of years.

There is literally no new idea under the sun, period.
This. And its not like they really stole the ideas anyways. Just because the starship troopers wore powered armor doesnt mean power armor and powered armor are the same. And then when they do "steal" the ideas, theyre blatently obvious and often times hint to the subjects that theyve used the ideas from (i.e well be back).


We all draw ideas from everything around us. In fact some people use this to argue against free will, that free will is more of an illusion because you are influenced to make all your decisions based on your experiences and environment. Just like ideas, they never go away, but they can change, be borrowed, transformed, amalgamated with other ideas, etc.

I love to write and most of my writing is fiction/science fiction and I draw ideas from everything I have ever read, movie I have watched, video game I have played, etc. It is impossible to be 100% original.


Yes we do, however GW has a long and turgid history of not only drawing ideas from all over Science Fiction and Mythology, but also of (almost) directly copying all those ideas, claiming them for their own and then vigorously defending said copied material as if it were their own.

If you came up with an idea now based upon almost any kind of powered exoskeleton armour and tried to claim it was 'original' (or even marginally based off the same idea as Starship troopers), you would be bombarded with C&D letters and then taken to court.

Also This:
And then when they do "steal" the ideas, theyre blatently obvious and often times hint to the subjects that theyve used the ideas from (i.e well be back)

making it obvious and blatant does not make it OK, its still stealing...and please find me someone who used powered armour in the same way as Starshi[ troopers before starship troopers...

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Belexar wrote:The Emperor would win, but I think you're underestimating Sauron. I mean, the only reason he got beaten so "easy" the first time, it's because the guy was wielding a magical elven sword. Think of it as a master-crafted force relic blade. With a name. Also,his ring gives him super-strenght, mind-and-soul-raping powers, immunity to mind-rape, super resileance, magical armor and, if they fight with armies, hordes and hordes of orcs and uruk-hai; also Nazgul and those weird drake things. Also, I know it wouldn't make a change in an actual fight, but Toklien can curb-stomp every single author that has ever worked for Games Workshop, in the literary way, of course.

So, the Emperor would win, but Sauron would put up a good fight.


Nah dawg, I put Lord of the Rings down after ten minutes... I haven't done that with any of GW's easy-read trash fiction.

Mostly because they don't tend to start with 'Marneus Calgar knew his way to the reliquary much like you know your way to your local post office'... or, just before gloriously detailing the destruction of Istvaan, boring me to death with the planet's entire history since the first amoeba appeared.

   
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Henners91 wrote:
Belexar wrote:The Emperor would win, but I think you're underestimating Sauron. I mean, the only reason he got beaten so "easy" the first time, it's because the guy was wielding a magical elven sword. Think of it as a master-crafted force relic blade. With a name. Also,his ring gives him super-strenght, mind-and-soul-raping powers, immunity to mind-rape, super resileance, magical armor and, if they fight with armies, hordes and hordes of orcs and uruk-hai; also Nazgul and those weird drake things. Also, I know it wouldn't make a change in an actual fight, but Toklien can curb-stomp every single author that has ever worked for Games Workshop, in the literary way, of course.

So, the Emperor would win, but Sauron would put up a good fight.


Nah dawg, I put Lord of the Rings down after ten minutes... I haven't done that with any of GW's easy-read trash fiction.

Mostly because they don't tend to start with 'Marneus Calgar knew his way to the reliquary much like you know your way to your local post office'... or, just before gloriously detailing the destruction of Istvaan, boring me to death with the planet's entire history since the first amoeba appeared.


Sure I can agree with all of what you said, though copyright and IP law are seriously ridiculous. Apple suing Amazon over the word "App Store," seriously? There will be a huge IP/Copyright law reform coming up, there will have to be, otherwise everything ever thought of will have a copyright on it.

I mean GW cannot possibly rip off more than most media companies, movie makers, hollywood, writers, and even religions have when it comes to original content.

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