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Kanluwen wrote:If they're Berzerkers, then they should be in the colors of the World Eaters.

Berzerkers refer specifically to World Eaters Marines or members of World Eaters splinter warbands.
It's not like Plague Marines or Noise Marines, where they're a generic subtype.
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"Berzerkers" refers to a specific kind, namely members who were part of the World Eaters Legion or splinter warbands associated with them.

Do you have a citation for this very specific assertion, or is it simply your opinion?

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Paint them as Khorne Berserkers... the mainstream red kind that everyone recognizes... I think they look good like that.

scipio.au wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:If they're Berzerkers, then they should be in the colors of the World Eaters.

Berzerkers refer specifically to World Eaters Marines or members of World Eaters splinter warbands.
It's not like Plague Marines or Noise Marines, where they're a generic subtype.

...

"Berzerkers" refers to a specific kind, namely members who were part of the World Eaters Legion or splinter warbands associated with them.

Do you have a citation for this very specific assertion, or is it simply your opinion?

Page 29 of C:CSM 3rd edition.

"Berzerkers are Chaos Space Marines dedicated to the worship of Khorne. They are frightening, unrelenting warriors who fight with a manic frenzy to claim skulls for the Skull Throne of Khorne. Every member of the World Eaters Legion is a Berzerker, although not every Berzerker originates from that Legion. Many Chaos Warriors feel the call of Khorne appealing alternately to their martial pride and their vengeful bloodlust and become Berzerkers as a consequence."

I should also add that most of the Khorne Berzerkers shown in the artwork on p.36 of the new CSM book actually aren't wearing the bunny helmets, and that it talks about how the lobotmisation practices have spread to other Chaos Space Marine forces alongside of the spread of World Eaters Berzerkers and their warbands. The Black Legion has apparently recruited a large number of these "Berzerker-Surgeons" (which brings to mind a ton of hilarious possibilities).

I think we should get back on topic for Brother SRM though.

If you can find a way to make the bunny helmets not look silly, more power to you. They detract from the overall look of an Iron Warriors force, in my opinion, though.




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Actually you know what.

SRM, are you opposed to actually having your own kind of 'warband' of Berzerkers not in the colors of the Iron Warriors?

I am almost positive that I have read that there's actually a warband of Berzerkers with ties to the Iron Warriors, who provide the Iron Warriors with close combat troops for sieges.

Kanluwen wrote:

Page 29 of C:CSM 3rd edition.

"Berzerkers are Chaos Space Marines dedicated to the worship of Khorne. They are frightening, unrelenting warriors who fight with a manic frenzy to claim skulls for the Skull Throne of Khorne. Every member of the World Eaters Legion is a Berzerker, although not every Berzerker originates from that Legion. Many Chaos Warriors feel the call of Khorne appealing alternately to their martial pride and their vengeful bloodlust and become Berzerkers as a consequence."

Um, you just proved my point. Not all Berserkers are World Eaters.

I am almost positive that I have read that there's actually a warband of Berzerkers with ties to the Iron Warriors, who provide the Iron Warriors with close combat troops for sieges.

One of the BL books. Storm of Iron? There are Berserkers within the ranks of the Iron Warriors. They're discussed a number of posts ago.

I used them based on the info from Storm of Iron as well. it is cited in various pieces of fluff that once the siege is over the IW wade into cc and shwow no mercy. it stands to reason that at some point some of them will fall to Khorne. A Warsmith could always see his assault squal going that way and think "might as well make it worthwhile" and hire a berzerker surgoen to operate on these assault guys to turn them into what the other poster would call "proper" berzerkers.

Kanluwen wrote:
Actually you know what.

SRM, are you opposed to actually having your own kind of 'warband' of Berzerkers not in the colors of the Iron Warriors?

I am almost positive that I have read that there's actually a warband of Berzerkers with ties to the Iron Warriors, who provide the Iron Warriors with close combat troops for sieges.

I'd like to keep things inclusive. If I recall correctly, in Storm of Iron they are members of the legion itself. I'll see how I can do shaving the bunny ears off. Red helmets and shoulderpads (plus the sundry markings to Khorne) should signify them as berserkers pretty well.

Shaving off the bunny ears can look good too. I did that when i made my raptor conversions a while back.

It's not great but this is the only pic i seem to have for some reason...

As others pointed out, not all Berzerkers are WE's, and some Berzerker-Surgeons make their services available to other Legions.

as for paintschemes/visuals for Berzerkers in in IW force, as others have stated, for colors just use normal IW colors with maybe Red colored heads and/or shoulderpads and some khornate iconography.

In terms of helmets, I personally don't mind the bunny helmets but feel they are very World Eaters specific, I'd try to go with some of the IW specific helmets from the upgrade kit or the bull-horn helmets and angry mouthgrills from the plastic kit instead.

What about painting a 'rusted iron' color? I think that might look pretty nice.

Basically Gory Red with a thinned layer of Parasite Brown and a thin layer of whatever metallic you use (Gunmetal) (note that those are the Vallejo colors).

Also, I think Reaper still makes a red metallic paint.

Still waiting on my 4 mail-orders that will give me the last of my IW bits for the forseeable future.

I think I'll go for a mix with mine. Probably a couple of Berserker helms, for table identification purposes if nothing else. Along with that some of the larger-horned helmets, some fur, and maybe a deep crimson base to the shoulderpads with gold/brass IW and Khorne iconography instead of silver/iron. I'll keep the helmets silver, though as I feel that red helms will make them look a bit odd - for me anyway.

They could just be berserk cyborgs...

Phototoxin wrote:They could just be berserk cyborgs...

But then you're buying expensive cyborg bits, and buying bits packs was something I was hoping to avoid with this - just painting!
Besides, I'm saving the cyborg mutants for when I eventually do lesser daemon thralls

bit of a TLDR, but my 5 cents are to grab a red pen, unless youre handy with a teensy brush, and add blood color onto the model such that it creates blasted symbols on the armor. either the skull of khorne over the helmet, or a palm print, or the blasted star... Other alternatives include gorifying the models, paying particular attention to adding extra around the face, even IF they have a helmet on, to make it look like in the mad lust they forgot they were wearing a helmet and couldnt enjoy a nice cup of hot blood.

Depending on your willingness..... you could even just take their bolters, cut out the grip, add a chain-blade, and have the hand gripping the attachment to make them look melee-oriented. Lastly, it could be as simple as adding fetishes to the models, skulls, hooks, and of course, other stuff too..... hands, ears (if youre skilled) or..... feet for humor.

I think they should be completely covered head-to-toe in hazard stripes. Afterall, the purpose of hazard stripes is to identify things that are hazardous - and what could be more hazardous than a Khorne berzerker? This would tie their color scheme in with the rest of the legion, and would alert their non-berzerker brethren to give them a wide berth.

"Warning - Armour May Contain Khorne Berzerker"

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:I think they should be completely covered head-to-toe in hazard stripes. Afterall, the purpose of hazard stripes is to identify things that are hazardous - and what could be more hazardous than a Khorne berzerker? This would tie their color scheme in with the rest of the legion, and would alert their non-berzerker brethren to give them a wide berth.

"Warning - Armour May Contain Khorne Berzerker"

The thought of painting all that yellow is going to get me put into a home! I'll probably do caution stripes on their greaves or somewhere not on their shoulderpads to identify them as Iron Warriors.

I'm going to do a few berzerkers in the Red Corsairs scheme. How I plan do paint them is the entire power armour in WE colours but the right shoulder pad in that of the RCs.

Aren't red corsairs red anyway?

Yes.
But the WE have a blood red colour to them whereas my Corsairs have a darker red to them so they aren't confused with a Khorne legion.
Also the RCs have a blck trim so there is a noticeable difference