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I'd add to Lynata's answer the simple issue of availability; an inquisitor facing heresy or insurrection of a scale which would justify the deployment of titans and marines probably doesn't have the luxury of waiting for a few months for them to arrive, and will be obliged to rely upon the PDF, the Arbites and his own retinue to get the job done.

Yes, I was in fact arguing for the "has access to" of a Titan to the =I=. I figured the OP was attempting to justify the use of a Titan in an =I= force. There may or may not be =I= titans, but I have no evidence of there existence, so I believe Kanluwen to be correct in that sense. Use and ownership is not an argument for this post.

CpatTom wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
And any of the institutes outside of the Munitorum can make up any number of reasons to suddenly be desperately needed elsewhere.

"Each and every Inquisitor embodies the whole Inquisition and
wields the power of the entire organisation. The word of an
Inquisitor is absolute and beyond reproach - except by other
Inquisitors"
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1320032_Thorian_Sourcebook.pdf

Do they have access to Titans? Yes. Period. When situation warrants, they get what they need. In battles where a Titan would be appropriate, they could requisition them. Tact is always a virtue, but not a necessity. Seeking to divert an Inquisitor's "request" (even if they are less than asking) could begin the fast process to becoming a heretic.

And yet you are missing the main point about the IoM, its basicaly several key organisations all battling to be top dog and most inquisitors don't want to tip the balance. They have the power to access Titans but if doing so would jeprodise the stability of the IoM they wouldn't do it.

Its all well and good saying that the Inquisitor could brand the Mago a heretic, but when that Mago has the support of an entire Titan Legion and probably Mars you will just end up with a dead inquisitor and possible civil war. Inquisitors are as a whole not idiots and they weigh up the pros and cons, that is why you only ever see an inqusitor branding someone a heretic when they know they can get the backing of others

The wise Inquisitor Lord will, in the centuries of his/her career, cultivate a professionally friendly relationship with the AdMech. If your poker-buddy AdMech Magos *also* happens to command a Titan legion... well, that's just a fortunate coincidence, isn't it?

That said... the authority of the Inquisition is absolute. This was written in the Emperor's own hand at the founding of the Inquisition. They answer to him, and to him alone. No Chapter Master, no Planetary Governor, no Warmaster, no High Lord of Terra has authority over the Inquisitorial body.

In theory. There are, of course, situations where the cooperation of the Inquisition is necessary to maintain the forward progress of Imperial endeavors, which is why they have conclaves and Ordos and all sorts of internal politics and feudal obligations, and even though you're =I=, you listen to what Warmaster Poobah over there says, because the Ordo Master of your Ordo is best chums with him.

l0k1 wrote:I'm currently building my grey knights into a large scale apocalypse army and Im curious about the inquisition. Do they use leman russ tanks, and everything the guard has? Do they have Titans?

I am interpreting this to mean, would the =I= have access to all of the resources of the IoM for the course of a battle, not personally own.

BluntmanDC wrote:
And yet you are missing the main point about the IoM, its basicaly several key organisations all battling to be top dog and most inquisitors don't want to tip the balance. They have the power to access Titans but if doing so would jeprodise the stability of the IoM they wouldn't do it.

Its all well and good saying that the Inquisitor could brand the Mago a heretic, but when that Mago has the support of an entire Titan Legion and probably Mars you will just end up with a dead inquisitor and possible civil war. Inquisitors are as a whole not idiots and they weigh up the pros and cons, that is why you only ever see an inqusitor branding someone a heretic when they know they can get the backing of others

So, no the Inquisition never has access to a titan? Or yes, they do?
"The Inquisition serves as the eyes as well as the ears of the High Lords who are notified of actions throughout the galaxy. This allows them to bypass the bureaucracy of the Adeptus Terra should the need arise." Lexicanum

I appreciate your desire to bring up that the IoM is complicated and that situations would dictate what would happen, but it is a yes or no question. Can people travel faster than light in 40k? Can only Space Marines wear power armour? Does the =I= have access to Titans?

Psienesis wrote:That said... the authority of the Inquisition is absolute. This was written in the Emperor's own hand at the founding of the Inquisition. They answer to him, and to him alone. No Chapter Master, no Planetary Governor, no Warmaster, no High Lord of Terra has authority over the Inquisitorial body.

This is true, however you will note that the Adeptus Mechanicus isn't part of the Imperium of Man, but rather its own seperate entity.

the two are seperate empires so intertwined and codependent that any division between them would most certaintly cause the extenction of the other.


So Inquisitors most certaintly don't have any more authority to requisition a Titan Legion then he would have to requisition an Eldar Craftworld.


The Fabricator General has the honor of usually being one of the High Lords, but this is mearely a representation of the long standing alliance. Forge Worlds are, technically speaking, the sovreign territory of the Adeptus Mechanicus and are simply allies of the Imperium.

... and because this alliance is deemed necessary by both sides, the Mechanicus would not risk it by turning down a reasonable request. Unlike with the Marine Chapters, where indeed one Chapter Master decides everything for the lot of them, the vast Mechanicus is far more likely to take such matters into their own hands and deal with any dissent internally (just like the aforementioned IG Lieutenant would find himself quickly arrested by his own troops and/or the regiment's Commissar). If there's a "broken cog" within the system, the AdMech will fix it before the entire apparatus breaks down. Of course, the same can be said about the Inquisition and operatives who are abusing or wasting their authority.

Anyhow, whilst the domains of the Cult Mechanicus are indeed a sort of semi-independent client state, it is still part of the Imperium (even shows up on its flag) and the AdMech does recognize the Emperor as the Master of Mankind ... and the Inquisition takes its authority directly from Him on Earth. It's as simple as that.

Lynata wrote:... and because this alliance is deemed necessary by both sides, the Mechanicus would not risk it by turning down a reasonable request.

If it gets to the point where an Inquisitor is requesting a Titan--something's gone wrong.
If an Inquisitor asks for a Titan and it's not part of a greater war effort, like a Crusade, there is something wrong and there is no way in hell it's a "reasonable request".
If Titans are being requested for war effort, it's quite likely the Mechanicus would have been supplying the things anyways.

Unlike with the Marine Chapters, where indeed one Chapter Master decides everything for the lot of them, the vast Mechanicus is far more likely to take such matters into their own hands and deal with any dissent internally

What "dissent"?

If an Inquisitor is begging for a Titan, and a Princeps says no--that's that. He can justify it however he wants, by saying that it's not in the best interests of the Imperium or whatever. Contrary to popular belief you can say no to an Inquisitor. You won't tell them to bugger off or whatever, but if you present a rational and logical argument the more intelligent Inquisitors will understand.

The frothing at the mouth zealots who have no grasp of military tactics or anything of that nature, they might have a problem with you saying no though.
Thankfully, those guys tend to end up dead from their own stupidity.

just like the aforementioned IG Lieutenant would find himself quickly arrested by his own troops and/or the regiment's Commissar.

If an IG Lieutenant is the one having requests made of him by an Inquisitor, then the regimental chain of command is so fethed that it's absurd and quite likely the Commissars are dead.
Inquisitors will go to the Regimental HQ first, Company second, and Platoon/Squad last.
There might be special circumstances like if the Inquisitor already has a working relationship with a certain unit, they might request the unit be permanently seconded to their authority

If there's a "broken cog" within the system, the AdMech will fix it before the entire apparatus breaks down.

Only if it's actually hindering their apparatus.

Of course, the same can be said about the Inquisition and operatives who are abusing or wasting their authority.

Not really. The Inquisition, simply due to its nature, has very little in the way of self-censure. Inquisitors constantly are watching one and another, and the whole organization has essentially stagnated to the point where the vast diversity of the organization is working against itself.

Anyhow, whilst the domains of the Cult Mechanicus are indeed a sort of semi-independent client state, it is still part of the Imperium (even shows up on its flag) and the AdMech does recognize the Emperor as the Master of Mankind ... and the Inquisition takes its authority directly from Him on Earth. It's as simple as that.

The Inquisition represents the authority of the Emperor, but what you forget is that their first role is supposed to be as the Protectors of Humanity.

The Astartes and Mechanicum won't get involved in scuffles between Inquisitors or when an Inquisitor wants their own gain in influence.

Not directly, no, though a couple of devious Inquisitors could cook up some pretty elaborate plots to get such august bodies involved in their squabbles. I mean, look what the AdMech did to the poor Soul-Drinkers...

That said, it's not impossible for an Inquisitor to request Titan support for a military matter. The AdMech may refuse or decline it of course... but, on the other hand, they might not. Depends on the Inquisitor in question and the nature of the Princeps of the Titan Legio, and the nature of the mission/task at hand. It may be the sort of thing that the Inquisitor Lord may have recently uncovered some sort of lore that might tell of some STC relics in a given sector of space not well or frequently explored. If the Inquisitor is willing to trade for some support, well, you can bet the Fabricator General is going to be on the horn telling the Princeps to get his ass in gear and get to steppin' to this Inquisitor's warzone.

Kanluwen wrote:If Titans are being requested for war effort, it's quite likely the Mechanicus would have been supplying the things anyways.

You'd be surprised. But see below.

Kanluwen wrote:Contrary to popular belief you can say no to an Inquisitor.

Of course you can say "no" to an Inquisitor, that's what my first post in this thread was about. "Contrary to popular belief", however, saying no to an Inquisitor may often evoke unpleasent consequences. And no, not even the Space Marines or the AdMech are completely safe from those.

Kanluwen wrote:If an IG Lieutenant is the one having requests made of him by an Inquisitor, then the regimental chain of command is so fethed that it's absurd and quite likely the Commissars are dead.

First off, the rank was a random example deliberately picked from the lower ranks to show that Inquisitors do not always have to deal with the top brass. If an Inquisitor damn well wants, he can go to an individual beat cop and requisition his service.

Secondly, IG regiments are not always operating in their entirety on a single place, and if the Inquisitor in question needs a couple soldiers "right now" he won't waste time by caring about the ordinary chain of command, he will simply tell whoever is in charge that he and his boys have just been selected for a special task. Alternatively, maybe the regiment's command itself has been called into question for some heretical business, and the Inquisitor is now recruiting a couple troops from further down the chain as backup to detain the lead officers for further questioning. It's pretty easy to come up with scenarios where an Inquisitor would work with a Lieutenant, actually... not that this was the point I was trying to make.

Kanluwen wrote:Only if it's actually hindering their apparatus.

Which it would when it leads to the AdMech making itself an enemy in the Inquisition simply because there is a general tendency within its ranks to not give a ratling's ass about inquisitorial requests. And it would even more if the failure to comply with such requests leads to the Imperium as a whole losing something important. That was what I was trying to express in the previous post. It is in the Mechanicus' own interest to "keep a clean house" by not having some of its people categorically deny stuff just because they can.

Kanluwen wrote:The Inquisition, simply due to its nature, has very little in the way of self-censure. Inquisitors constantly are watching one and another [...]

Those two things don't quite add up. The second is the correct statement, and an Inquisitor stepping over the line will invite consequences simply because he is providing scheming opponents with political ammunition to use against him or his benefactors. This is a form of self-censure as well. Just one without written rules.

Kanluwen wrote:The Inquisition represents the authority of the Emperor, but what you forget is that their first role is supposed to be as the Protectors of Humanity. The Astartes and Mechanicum won't get involved in scuffles between Inquisitors or when an Inquisitor wants their own gain in influence.

I'm quite sure we were assuming the usage of Titans against clear and obvious enemies of the Imperium (xenos, cultists, daemons), not intra-faction bickering. That being said, even if it were not so ... I wouldn't be so sure if the Marines or the AdMech have such a good knowledge of what is truly going on within the ranks of the Inquisition that they could realize what they are being used for. I doubt anyone outside the Inquisition has. And even within a lot of members will be told lies.

And on your initial remark - guess what Inquisitor Lord Scallen requested and received for his "Battle Group Purgator" for the so-called Therrix Suppression in 085.M41?

That's right, two Warhound Titans from the Legio Ignatum. They served the Inquisitor well in shooting down a couple fleeing transports.

Source is the Codex Apocalypse, by the way. The same book also clarifies that "an Inquisitor is able and willing to order the destruction of an entire world if it will save a sector, and he can requisition any and all resource in the whole Imperium in the pursuit of his righteous mission."

People tend to forget that their super awesome Space Marines are not really loved by everyone. Half of them betrayed the Emperor and followed Horus. Thousands, perhaps even millions, have fallen to Chaos over the last 10,000 years. If anything, Inquisitors should be more distrusting of Space Marines than any other internal faction. Ten Space Marines falling to Chaos is probably worth an entire Imperial Guard regiment.

Lynata wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:If Titans are being requested for war effort, it's quite likely the Mechanicus would have been supplying the things anyways.

You'd be surprised. But see below.

Not really. The Mechanicus is involved in every major campaign the Imperium undertakes.

Kanluwen wrote:Contrary to popular belief you can say no to an Inquisitor.

Of course you can say "no" to an Inquisitor, that's what my first post in this thread was about. "Contrary to popular belief", however, saying no to an Inquisitor may often evoke unpleasent consequences. And no, not even the Space Marines or the AdMech are completely safe from those.

Yeah, they are. Inquisitors who make asinine demands of the Astartes or the Adeptus Mechanicus have a tendency to find themselves not getting aid from those entities in the future.

Kanluwen wrote:If an IG Lieutenant is the one having requests made of him by an Inquisitor, then the regimental chain of command is so fethed that it's absurd and quite likely the Commissars are dead.

First off, the rank was a random example deliberately picked from the lower ranks to show that Inquisitors do not always have to deal with the top brass.

If they're smart they do.

If an Inquisitor damn well wants, he can go to an individual beat cop and requisition his service.

And then he has to show why he did it. Inquisitors abusing their authority don't tend to keep their authority.

Secondly, IG regiments are not always operating in their entirety on a single place, and if the Inquisitor in question needs a couple soldiers "right now" he won't waste time by caring about the ordinary chain of command, he will simply tell whoever is in charge that he and his boys have just been selected for a special task.

And that's called "seconding". What's your point?

Alternatively, maybe the regiment's command itself has been called into question for some heretical business, and the Inquisitor is now recruiting a couple troops from further down the chain as backup to detain the lead officers for further questioning.

If "the regiment's command itself has been called into question for some heretical business", then the Commissariat is going to be busy and the Inquisition won't be involved. The Inquisition has far more important things to do than worrying about the Boys from Backworld D deciding they're tired of the Imperium.

It's pretty easy to come up with scenarios where an Inquisitor would work with a Lieutenant, actually... not that this was the point I was trying to make.

And almost all of them involve the command of the regiment being involved. Inquisitors aren't stupid, for the most part. If the higher-ups of a regiment are involved in "something heretical", chances are they'll have dragged their troops into it with them and they can't be trusted.

Kanluwen wrote:Only if it's actually hindering their apparatus.

Which it would when it leads to the AdMech making itself an enemy in the Inquisition simply because there is a general tendency within its ranks to not give a ratling's ass about inquisitorial requests.

The Inquisition already regards the Adeptus Mechanicus as an "enemy", just as much as the Ecclesiarchy considers the AM the same way.

And it would even more if the failure to comply with such requests leads to the Imperium as a whole losing something important. That was what I was trying to express in the previous post. It is in the Mechanicus' own interest to "keep a clean house" by not having some of its people categorically deny stuff just because they can.

And the point you seemed to miss was that it's not "categorically denying stuff just because they can" if they tell an Inquisitor that there is no reason to deploy a Titan.

Kanluwen wrote:The Inquisition, simply due to its nature, has very little in the way of self-censure. Inquisitors constantly are watching one and another [...]

Those two things don't quite add up.

Yes, they do actually.
There is no real body within the Inquisition that says "Hey. Hey. Guys, don't poke the bears.", there's just a general consensus of "Hey, let's not poke those big furred deathmachines".

The second is the correct statement, and an Inquisitor stepping over the line will invite consequences simply because he is providing scheming opponents with political ammunition to use against him or his benefactors. This is a form of self-censure as well. Just one without written rules.

Inquisitors "stepping over the line" are categorically ignored provided they bring results and don't actively cavort with Daemons.

I also won't go into the stupidity inherent in a system where you have people with relatively unchecked power who operate under the same general behavior guidelines as kindergarten.

Kanluwen wrote:The Inquisition represents the authority of the Emperor, but what you forget is that their first role is supposed to be as the Protectors of Humanity. The Astartes and Mechanicum won't get involved in scuffles between Inquisitors or when an Inquisitor wants their own gain in influence.

I'm quite sure we were assuming the usage of Titans against clear and obvious enemies of the Imperium (xenos, cultists, daemons), not intra-faction bickering.

All it takes is one Inquisitor going rogue and dragging an armored regiment or five with him, and you can guarantee that someone will decide that he's a big enough threat to whine that he needs a Titan Legio deployed for his aid.

That being said, even if it were not so ... I wouldn't be so sure if the Marines or the AdMech have such a good knowledge of what is truly going on within the ranks of the Inquisition that they could realize what they are being used for.

You don't need to "truly know what is going on within the ranks of the Inquisition that they could realize what they are being used for". Contrary to what you seem to think, the Astartes are not big dumb brutes.

I doubt anyone outside the Inquisition has.

You'd be surprised.

And even within a lot of members will be told lies.

By other members, mostly, who are trying to protect their power base.

And on your initial remark - guess what Inquisitor Lord Scallen requested and received for his "Battle Group Purgator" for the so-called Therrix Suppression in 085.M41?

That's right, two Warhound Titans from the Legio Ignatum. They served the Inquisitor well in shooting down a couple fleeing transports.

Really? You're going to cite an instance involving entire Hive Cities revolting, where a full-scale Daemonic incursion was feared to happen as some kind of definitive proof that it will always happen?

That's absurd in the highest degree.

Source is the Codex Apocalypse, by the way. The same book also clarifies that "an Inquisitor is able and willing to order the destruction of an entire world if it will save a sector, and he can requisition any and all resource in the whole Imperium in the pursuit of his righteous mission."

"He can requisition any and all resource in the whole Imperium in the pursuit of his righteous mission" is nowhere near the same thing as "He will always get what he wants".

Lynata wrote:... and because this alliance is deemed necessary by both sides, the Mechanicus would not risk it by turning down a reasonable request.

And as stated before the other side of the coin holds true, the inquisitor or the Inquisition at large is not going to make unreasonable requests to a Titan legion. Titan legions only really stay out of use when being repaired or in transport, Titans are used in the big wars and are of very little use in nearly any other situation, so it would be very hard to justify getting a Titan other than:

Inquisitor ''hey we're both on Armegedon, why don't your titans aim at the big things for us''
Princep ''what do you think we were gonna do''

Lynata wrote:Unlike with the Marine Chapters, where indeed one Chapter Master decides everything for the lot of them, the vast Mechanicus is far more likely to take such matters into their own hands and deal with any dissent internally.

Apart from fluff saying that chapters police themselves and on many occasions chapters (especially first founding) have called the actions of other chapters into question.

Something else to remember is Legios don't represent Mars or really the Mechanicum - they represent their Legio and Forge. They are as much warriors of the Mechanicus as Space Marines are warriors of the Imperium. The BL novels Mechanicum and Titanicus are good views into the Mechanicus hierarchy.

purplefood wrote:

tilarium wrote:Inquisitors generally have access to the any thing they want. Want a whole IG company, it's yours. Want that gun? Here you go! Want a Titan... well, do you have a good reason? Yes? Well then, here you go!

Only thing a Inquisitor can't requisition, I'd imagine, are SMs.

In theory they can requisition them...
It's mainly a question of "If you ask we will turn up but if you order we might not..."

If =I= was an Inquisitor (get it? =I= ) Anyway, if I was one and asked for a Titan and someone told me no.... "He's possesed by Chaos! KILL HIM! And then take the Titan

tilarium wrote:

purplefood wrote:

tilarium wrote:Inquisitors generally have access to the any thing they want. Want a whole IG company, it's yours. Want that gun? Here you go! Want a Titan... well, do you have a good reason? Yes? Well then, here you go!

Only thing a Inquisitor can't requisition, I'd imagine, are SMs.

In theory they can requisition them...
It's mainly a question of "If you ask we will turn up but if you order we might not..."

If =I= was an Inquisitor (get it? =I= ) Anyway, if I was one and asked for a Titan and someone told me no.... "He's possesed by Chaos! KILL HIM! And then take the Titan

Except the only people who are trained to operate the titan are friends of the guy you just killed who incidentally you don't have any authority over...

purplefood wrote:

tilarium wrote:

purplefood wrote:

tilarium wrote:Inquisitors generally have access to the any thing they want. Want a whole IG company, it's yours. Want that gun? Here you go! Want a Titan... well, do you have a good reason? Yes? Well then, here you go!

Only thing a Inquisitor can't requisition, I'd imagine, are SMs.

In theory they can requisition them...
It's mainly a question of "If you ask we will turn up but if you order we might not..."

If =I= was an Inquisitor (get it? =I= ) Anyway, if I was one and asked for a Titan and someone told me no.... "He's possesed by Chaos! KILL HIM! And then take the Titan

Except the only people who are trained to operate the titan are friends of the guy you just killed who incidentally you don't have any authority over...

Not to mention a Legios Executor (who you'd be adressing when requesting the Legios assistance) and his bodyguard are combat-augmented to the point where you'd need at least a squad of astarted backing you up if you decided to 'force' their cooperation. Just because they're not in Titans, doesn't mean they aren't packing serious combat ability.

If an Inquisitor damn well wants, he can go to an individual beat cop and requisition his service.

And then he has to show why he did it. Inquisitors abusing their authority don't tend to keep their authority.

No, he doesn't. The Conclave does not give two gaks why a given Field Inquisitor commandeers the service (or life) of some random beat cop or Arbite in the course of his job. It could be one Arbite. Or a hundred. Not. One. Feth. is given by the Conclave of what happens to these people.

A thousand? Two thousand? Now, that is a lot of Arbites for a general area, and if they all vanished, then the Conclave might be interested in knowing why. If the Inquisitor on the ground has a full report, or at least a convincing story, no one is going to question him without *a lot* of evidence to disprove the original claim. For an Inquisitor to accuse another, and fail, is to forfeit his life.

Ten thousand Frateris Militia are killed when Ultra-Inquisitor Preachicus Maximallius begins his one-ship crusade against the Heretics of Planet Idaho? They're the Frateris Militia... the Conclave doesn't care. It's likely that half of them died from dysentery and a quarter of the rest died from self-inflicted wounds while trying to operate their scavenged chainswords. The rest are actual combat casualties. The Inquisition doesn't care, and the Ecclesiarchy can claim these fallen as martyrs in the Emperor's name.

The second is the correct statement, and an Inquisitor stepping over the line will invite consequences simply because he is providing scheming opponents with political ammunition to use against him or his benefactors. This is a form of self-censure as well. Just one without written rules.

Inquisitors "stepping over the line" are categorically ignored provided they bring results and don't actively cavort with Daemons.

Yes, this is accurate. A field Inquisitor is expected to "check in" with their field office from time to time... but, other than that, their authority is all but absolute. Sure, the Conclave may frown on an Inquisitor taking a Naval battleship off for a tour around the Tannhauser Gate... but the people aboard that ship have zero authority to refuse the "request", and does not have the authority to "check in" with the Conclave office on another planet. Astropathic messages don't work that quickly... and if the Navy is wasting this Inquisitor's time while mucking about with red tape, and his "request" is approved by the Conclave? He'll have the entire crew put to death, as is well within his right and authority. The Imperial Navy has no options in such a situation, their authority does not exceed that of the Inquisition.

Kanluwen wrote:stuff

Let's just stop here, alright? You keep distracting from the original issue, you keep contradicting yourself ("the Inquisition has little in the way of self-censure", "Inquisitors abusing their authority don't get to keep it"), you keep mis-reading my posts (or is it intentional that you're attempting to dismiss my arguments by actually backing up what I said earlier?) and you keep pulling stuff out of thin air simply because you are too damn proud admitting even a single time that maybe your opinion doesn't quite mesh with what GW has been churning out. But hey, at least this time you didn't insult me, so I guess that's something.

I have provided a clear example from GW Codex material where an Inquisitor has requisitioned Titans. Nothing more, nothing less. One should assume that, given the original question and what all my previous posts in this thread were about, this would be akin to "/thread", but obviously this is something you just cannot let stand.

If your motivation was to drive me out of this thread, you win. I give up. It's just no use trying to discuss fluff on such basis, and I'm going to assume/hope that interested readers will be able to make up their own mind on what information has been posted so far.

I lost this thread too. When evidence is ignored or dismissed and replaced with opinions, I find it time to move on.

The correct answer to the thread is Yes, though. An Apoc =I= force with anything used by any allied force of the IoM, including Titans, would not violate the fluff.

I think the huge misunderstanding when people argue they can order Titan Legions and Astartes chapters around because they can order Imperial forces around stems from a misunderstanding of the Astartes and Mechanicum in the Imperium. They aren't the Imperium. They're separate.

An inquisitor telling a Chapter Master what to do can end up on the wrong end of a bolter. There's a reson Inquisitors request the help of a Chapter or Legio.

I think it boils down to the fact that Inquisitors, dispite having the ability to order Titan Legions and Astartes chapters around, do not have complete control in this situation. It is most likely that the Marines and Titans would follow his requests, but they could refuse and there wouldn't be much the Inquisitor could do about it. You can't go to your superiors and say this Marine chapter or Titan Legion is heretical unless you have a darn sight more proof then "They wouldn't help me on Praxis IV when I needed to clean out this chaos cult"


Frankly, Titan legions and Astartes have better things to do then help an inquisitor root out some random cult. Unless its a full blown uprising with the entire planet or even a subsector falling you generally won't get Titans and Astartes involved.

Inquisitors have years of training and experience, but much of it is spy work and other specialized skills instead of straight-up military command. A smart inquisitor wouldn't just march in and demand, he'd ask the local Imperial Commander what forces he'd use in the situation. Then he'll ask for those forces to be made available, or as close as can be arranged without losing something else. If the titan in question is already stuck holding back enemy superheavies it's got to be a pretty large danger to the Empire before an inquisitor tries to have it reassigned.

Pretty much, yes. The only time an Inquisitor is really going to be in command, tactically, of a ground operation is going to be when it's just him and retinue... and even then, this is assuming the Inquisitor is formerly IG or another militant lifestyle that allows him some skill and study of tactical doctrines. Otherwise? That's why you, as an Inquisitor, make IG Veterans part of your retinue. You let them plan and direct the battles.

For a fluff perspective... at several points in Eisenhorn's career, IG and Naval elements, as well as members of the White Scars Space Marine Chapter, became involved in his retinue, often at the request of Eisenhorn.

Did he charge up to the Lord Militant's door and demand a regiment? No.

He laid out his case, presented his evidence, and then presented his plan, detailing why their support and assistance were necessary. He always got it.

To be fair, Eisenhorn also noted not all Inquisitors did this.

Voke for instance is mentioned as a less flexible Inquisitor who basically flashes his Rosette at any situation and strong-arms others into doing his will with his authority. He lived a long life serving the Inquisition, and IIRC was pretty well-regarded as well.

Yes indeed... but notice something about Inquisitor Commodus Voke?

He always got his way. He flashed his rosette, and Lord Generals hopped up to answer his summons.

One does not feth with the authority of the Inquisition.

But Voke also had his reputation as an Inquisitor. He was good, if he was requesting something you knew it was important.

If it was Inquisitor Joe Blow you can bet the support wouldn't be as forthcoming.

Psienesis wrote:Yes indeed... but notice something about Inquisitor Commodus Voke?

He always got his way. He flashed his rosette, and Lord Generals hopped up to answer his summons.

One does not feth with the authority of the Inquisition.

True enough.

Of course, being a pretty powerful Psyker who seems to specialise in Telepathy may help with that.

Psienesis wrote:Yes indeed... but notice something about Inquisitor Commodus Voke?

He always got his way. He flashed his rosette, and Lord Generals hopped up to answer his summons.

One does not feth with the authority of the Inquisition.

The inquisition is made of a massive array of different inquisitors, ones like Voke or Coteaz are truelly powerful because they earned it.

However the codexs clearly say that most inquisitors are careful in how they approach organisations such as space marine chapters for help and will not demand it.

Y'all have convinced me. No Inquisitor, except those mentioned here, ever get any assistance from anyone.