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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 06:19:30
Subject: Re:Mexicans blame drug users
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Fixture of Dakka
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schadenfreude wrote: Pot users on the other hand tend to be reasonable people, but on this 1 issue they are usually total hypocrites. Most of them either don't care where their weed comes from, or chose to be willfully ignorant much like the prohibitionists. The worst part is many pot smokers tend to be very socially conscious and have high ideals that they completely ignore when they go out and buy a product from the same black market that is causing all the violence in Mexico. The conversation will usually end with the pot smokers choosing to remain willfully ignorant.
That's a fair statement. There a large numbers of pot users and those who indulge in other drugs that are huge gun control advocates, yet don't think twice about putting their money into cartel hands.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 06:38:35
Subject: Re:Mexicans blame drug users
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Amaya wrote:Please explain in detail how the need to sell their product necessitates cold blooded massacres?
Seriously? Okay.
This is a picture of Carlos Brito;
Apart from looking weirdly like the Doctor from Star Trek Voyager, he's also CEO of Anheuser Busch InBev, who make Budweiser and Bud Lite, the two biggest selling beers in the US. He has never killed a person in his life, hired anyone to kill anyone, assaulted anyone, or hired anyone to assault anyone. Because he's a businessman in a lawful industry, and the way to resolve competition was to engage in price wars and battle out disputes in courts of law.
This is a picture of Al Capone;
Apart from looking nothing like Robert de Niro, he was a notorious Chicago criminal who controlled much of the bootlegging that went . He rose to power through numerous assaults and likely several murders, and his efforts to maintain power culminated in the St Valentine's Day Massacre.
Both men just sold booze. Except Brito does it while it is legal, and subsequently the legal, social and economic circumstances around it demand legal, non-violent solutions. Capone did it while it was illegal, and subsequently the solutions are typically violent, because very obviously you can't take another drug dealer to court for illegally enforcing a monopoly on heroin sales on a certain block.
Blaming people that end up being exploited and abused as well is pointless. Focus on the killers not the junkies.
Which one are you more likely to be or have as a friend? An American drug user or a Mexican gang member?
It's all good and well to blame people living far away for their problems, but it doesn't really do any good. Recognising the part of the issue caused by actions at home might be more constructive. Automatically Appended Next Post: schadenfreude wrote:The users that make everything so profitable for the drug cartels. Hard drug only have 1 priority in life, and that is to get a fix. What can you possible tell someone who is injecting dope into their veins knowing it was smuggled into the country via balloons someone else swallowed and pooped out. Pot users on the other hand tend to be reasonable people, but on this 1 issue they are usually total hypocrites. Most of them either don't care where their weed comes from, or chose to be willfully ignorant much like the prohibitionists. The worst part is many pot smokers tend to be very socially conscious and have high ideals that they completely ignore when they go out and buy a product from the same black market that is causing all the violence in Mexico. The conversation will usually end with the pot smokers choosing to remain willfully ignorant.
Yes, absolutely this. Automatically Appended Next Post: Amaya wrote:Short of a police state (or some freaking utopia where everyone is smart enough to not do drugs) there will always be drug users of some kind. No matter how well the country polices. No matter how well they educate on the dangers of drugs. Everyone knows smoking is bad, but people still do it.
Sure, and when people do, we should get them to recognise they are contributing to the problem in Mexico.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 13:36:49
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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Every drug user supports the organized crime, the horrific bloody crimes in countries like Columbia or Mexiko are paid with ,,white" peoples money.
Its so cool when you smoke something, its not your problem you support corruption, death and suffering there.
There was a good article in a newspaper here. Example: Policemen that are honest but wont stop criminals because the ,,family" would kill them as revange. What would you do?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 14:03:33
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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Fixture of Dakka
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Pretty close to the mark, Scipio. The thing to remember here is that it's not just white people putting money towards the cartels.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 14:10:35
Subject: Re:Mexicans blame drug users
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No, it's obviously always a white person's fault. White people are just the scum of the Earth and they run everything for everyone else. We're just complete jerks.
@Scipio, Frank Serpico.
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Read my story at:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 17:54:11
Subject: Re:Mexicans can thank the drug users
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sebster wrote:The same is true for drugs and Mexico. While the drug barons and their henchmen deserve plenty of criticism
Sure, here's my criticism. As an aside, most pot users I know would try to grow it themselves if it wasn't illegal...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 18:01:07
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Er...your criticism consists of a toy flintlock?
Uh...ok...er...what?
On the positive. Poor Mexico, so far from God, so close to the United States.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 18:02:29
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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lol, no, it's a shotgun, just grabbed a random image off google.
Shotgun to the face seems like a very good criticism of drug barons right now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 18:10:09
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Melissia wrote:lol, no, it's a shotgun, just grabbed a random image off google.
Shotgun to the face seems like a very good criticism of drug barons right now.
Mmm gotcha, although JDAMs might be more appropriate. This is gone beyond ScarFace.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 18:14:07
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Eh, too expensive. The shotgun is more personal anyway, taht way I can yell "YO CHINGA SU MADRE!" (I ****ed your mother) as I pull the trigger.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 18:15:16
Subject: Re:Mexicans blame drug users
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The guy you're shooting would probably be confused for the moment he lives.
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Prestor Jon wrote:Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 18:16:42
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Nah, I doubt it. I gak on/I gak in/I fethed/a dog fethed/etc your mother is pretty common down there.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 18:16:57
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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Melissia wrote:Eh, too expensive. The shotgun is more personal anyway, taht way I can yell "YO CHINGA SU MADRE!" (I ****ed your mother) as I pull the trigger.
"Run for it amigos, eet ees the lesbian avenger!"
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 18:17:53
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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mattyrm wrote: "Run for it amigos, eet ees the lesbian avenger!"
Matty got what I aimed for.
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Prestor Jon wrote:Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 18:26:15
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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As much as it pains me to say this while a shotgun to the face would be both fun and amusing violence won't solve this problem. It only reinforces the Darwinian nature of narcotics trafficking. Only the most fit survive, and in narcotics trafficking fit=Cunning + ruthless. Gun 1 cartel leader down and there are dozens of underlings willing and able to replace him plus hundreds of Mexicans living in soul crushing poverty willing to become an underling.
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Chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but refuse. They cling to the realm, or love, or the gods…illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is, but they’ll never know this. Not until it’s too late.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 18:28:25
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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schadenfreude wrote:As much as it pains me to say this while a shotgun to the face would be both fun and amusing violence won't solve this problem. It only reinforces the Darwinian nature of narcotics trafficking. Only the most fit survive, and in narcotics trafficking fit=Cunning + ruthless. Gun 1 cartel leader down and there are dozens of underlings willing and able to replace him plus hundreds of Mexicans living in soul crushing poverty willing to become an underling.
Yeah, it'd have to coincide with other actions. But shotgun to the face shouldn't be neglected as a punishment option for these not-humans.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 18:30:43
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Melissia wrote:Yeah, it'd have to coincide with other actions. But shotgun to the face shouldn't be neglected as a punishment option for these not-humans.
 Purge the xenos!
Alternatively, if you want someone to behave like a respectable human being, treating them like one helps. Not that I think that'll actually work for a mid-age drug trafficer. That's the kind of thing that you need to teach in childhood
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 18:33:51
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Melissia wrote:Eh, too expensive. The shotgun is more personal anyway, taht way I can yell "YO CHINGA SU MADRE!" (I ****ed your mother) as I pull the trigger.
You would be dead before you were within miles of a higher up. This is a civil war occurring down there.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 19:11:44
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Frazzled wrote:Melissia wrote:Eh, too expensive. The shotgun is more personal anyway, taht way I can yell "YO CHINGA SU MADRE!" (I ****ed your mother) as I pull the trigger.
You would be dead before you were within miles of a higher up. This is a civil war occurring down there.
I know it is. But in my dreams, there are brainless (in a literal, brains blown out of skulls) drug barons. Allow me my dreams.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 15:16:18
Subject: Re:Mexicans blame drug users
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Fixture of Dakka
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MrDwhitey wrote:The guy you're shooting would probably be confused for the moment he lives.
The quickest way to piss of a Latino is to say you did anything to his female relatives.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 15:50:56
Subject: Re:Mexicans blame drug users
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Relapse wrote:MrDwhitey wrote:The guy you're shooting would probably be confused for the moment he lives.
The quickest way to piss of a Latino is to say you did anything to his female relatives.
Yes, we know, but that's usually when a man says it, right? Having a woman come up to you and scream "I fethed your mother!" would probably cause some confusion at least. And then maybe requests.
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Prestor Jon wrote:Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 20:28:48
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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Assuming you lived through the shotgun-to-the-face, anyway.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 20:57:14
Subject: Re:Mexicans blame drug users
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Oberleutnant
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Amaya wrote:No, it's obviously always a white person's fault. White people are just the scum of the Earth and they run everything for everyone else. We're just complete jerks.
@Scipio, Frank Serpico.
When I said white I just meant ,,citizen of a first world country that uses drugs and is leiving a good life compared to the rest of the world". White was just shorter and I thought everybody would get it.
Did you just compared a fight of a NY Cop against corruption with the fight of a Mexican Cop in a fight against the cartels?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 21:32:14
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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People are not going to stop doing drugs. It has become many people's way of coping with...well...everything. The effort to educate people against drugs doesn't work, because most people willing to do drugs don't give a feth about the negative effects of said drugs. By the time they learn of the atrocities committed by drug cartels and gang members, they're already knee-deep in their addictions.
Gangs are not going to stop committing atrocities to stay on top of the drug game (in fact, it's going to keep getting worse). This particular market can only be controlled by the most ruthless, sociopathic group of people. If you show any sign of weakness whatsoever, you lose your power and your life in an instant. That's just the way the drug trade works, and it gets exponentially worse as new groups try to seize power.
The only solution is the legalization and control of these illicit substances. Nothing else will stem this flow of violence. Asking all drug addicts to give up their vice is almost hilariously desperate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 21:33:33
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Or just seal the border. I guarantee one dirty bomb or heaven forbid a real nuke makes it across and makes NY radioactive we'll suddenly be able to completely control the border.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 21:37:18
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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Frazzled wrote:Or just seal the border.
You mean seal all borders?
Yeah, that's a great solution. Make us more inbred, ignorant and xenophobic than we already are.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 21:54:17
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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I dunno, Japan has pretty tight borders (being an island with rather strict immigration and resident alien laws) and they're not particularly inbred or ignorant. Now, Xenophobic... that's a different matter. Granted, they're still not sealed borders.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/27 22:05:18
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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Chrysaor686 wrote:Yeah, that's a great solution. Make us more inbred, ignorant and xenophobic than we already are.
I agree. Next we must develop Titans and Adeptus Astartes to fight for us and with that we shall begin to:
Yes. Yes!
Realistically speaking though the US Border is not likely to be 'sealed.' Its too large and there are too many ways to get into the United States without the government knowing. Illegal immigration is something we have to live with until practical solutions become available. I don't follow the debate closely myself, but I haven't seen one.
The best is Colbert's plan to build a 3000 mile porch and man it with the elderly
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/28 00:24:50
Subject: Mexicans blame drug users
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Frazzled wrote:Or just seal the border. I guarantee one dirty bomb or heaven forbid a real nuke makes it across and makes NY radioactive we'll suddenly be able to completely control the border.
No, even at the height of terrorist panic, no-one was pretending you could completely seal the US. If nothing else, just go look at images of shipping container graveyards for some idea of the scale of stuff that gets brought into the US every year - you can't check every crate completely. Nor can you completely and utterly seal the border to Mexico.
Instead you're going to have to get smart about your answers to keeping youselves safe, and accept that whatever you do try won't be perfect. Automatically Appended Next Post: Amaya wrote:@Scipio, Frank Serpico.
I don't think you really understand the scale of the problem.
Meanwhile, you didn't comment on my reply to you about why drug violence is the product of the nature of the market, illustrated with the difference between beer sellers in legal and illegal markets.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/28 00:37:29
Subject: Re:Mexicans blame drug users
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No, even at the height of terrorist panic, no-one was pretending you could completely seal the US.
Who were you talking to late September 2001? I met a whole lot of people with their head so far up their-- I mean in the sand that this was the most reasonable of their assertions at that point in time.
Meanwhile, you didn't comment on my reply to you about why drug violence is the product of the nature of the market, illustrated with the difference between beer sellers in legal and illegal markets.
I fully agree with your point here, though. I'd say legalizing some of the currently illicit drugs (Namely, MJ.) would cause some new issues...but I think it would solve bigger ones in the process.
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