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DE Witch Cult with some Haemie and Wrack/Grot back-up. Followed up with some Talos Pain Engines can be a terror to any CC army. Especially with All the poison you can through ou tthere. Who cares abou tyou rtoughness when everything wounds on a 4+ or better.

Witches can hold up and even destroy the most terrible Dreadnaughts with Shardnets limiting the Dread or special characters, or even MC to one attack.

Da Piper wrote:DE Witch Cult with some Haemie and Wrack/Grot back-up. Followed up with some Talos Pain Engines can be a terror to any CC army. Especially with All the poison you can through ou tthere. Who cares abou tyou rtoughness when everything wounds on a 4+ or better.

Witches can hold up and even destroy the most terrible Dreadnaughts with Shardnets limiting the Dread or special characters, or even MC to one attack.

Bloodbrides can also be nasty with the haywire grenades.

Araenion wrote:I just wanted to add something to the GKs vs Orks discussion. Assuming that you're going with the elite Paladin/Purifier setup, Orks have an edge over you in CC due to S9 Powerklaws present in every Ork mob. I recently witnessed a 1750 match between these two armies consisting of the aforementioned Paladin/Purifier GKs supported by 2 Psyrifleman dreads vs a wagon spam with 2 mobs of Ork boyz and 1 squad of FNP diversified Nobz supported by 2 squads of Lootas.

In this case, the Ork player had each squad perfectly suited to each task. Purifiers can't do squat against 2 wound Nobz and Paladins fold like regular marines against a blob powerklaw. That 2+ save, FNP and 2 wounds mean absolutely nothing against a S9 save and FNP ignoring, insant-death attack.

GKs are a great army with lots of neat tricks, but against Orks I don't see how they can compete in CC.

I have 3 different armies I have been playing regularly , GK is one of them.

I run 40 purifiers with Crowe and 4 dreads , I equip my units with max psy cannons and 5 halberds each . With hammer hand I will be hitting at initiative 6 strength 5 all power weapons . As far as orks , I got charged last weekend by 30 orks against 6 purifiers ( 5 halberds in unit) , I hit them with cleansing flame and rolled above average , I rolled 4 ups on 20 of the 30, he missed 17 saves, I then attacked first and took out another 5, he ended up with 7 orks who took out 3 purifiers , he was then annihilated upon losing combat . That was just basically 3 purifiers clearing out 30 orks. Now before anyone says over powered , GK is a low model count army and does indeed lose plenty of games but a purifier spam list is pure annihilation for hordes.

Not if the orks shoot you. I run shooty orks and they can out match Purifiers shooting I think anyways.

I still think orks would win and I have always felt Orks are the best CC army as a whole. Nids a close second until the last 2 dex's. Big models are more important to there build now. Which is not what nids are about. Mass troops is what they should be about.

I honestly think the OP would have fun with Orks. They can be a really easy army to win with and an easy army to lose with. But you will have fun none the less. Not to mention the options and list builds that can be done with Orks. There are so many, kan wall, speed freek, BW rush just to name a few. All of which can be based around CC.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:Not if the orks shoot you. I run shooty orks and they can out match Purifiers shooting I think anyways.

I still think orks would win and I have always felt Orks are the best CC army as a whole. Nids a close second until the last 2 dex's. Big models are more important to there build now. Which is not what nids are about. Mass troops is what they should be about.

I honestly think the OP would have fun with Orks. They can be a really easy army to win with and an easy army to lose with. But you will have fun none the less. Not to mention the options and list builds that can be done with Orks. There are so many, kan wall, speed freek, BW rush just to name a few. All of which can be based around CC.

Yeah but we are talking CC in this thread!

I have never ever ever had a close game aginst nids with my orks, i continually slaughter them senseless. The answe to this question is GK, hands down. Orks come in second.

I know, But it doesn't change my point of view.

As you will notice I continued with how I felt Orks are the best in CC. I also explained why I think the OP might like Orks. So I did not stir away from the threads topic. (at least for long)

Edit: GK's really shouldn't be a CC army though. They are a more close quarters fire support army. The only real reason most people fight in CC is the whole army having force weapons and they dont want to get shot up. They don't have the numbers to do a shoot out with most armies.

But yes they are as writtin a very good CC army.

DE, wychs are downright deadly and with open top fast skimmers they can get into CC very fast. Not to mention incubi, beastmaster and wrecks are all really good too.

iBambam wrote:Go the DE route, but think about Wracks and Grotesques. They are nasty now, not a lot of people consider them, but used correctly they will be devastating, mark my words.

I've run into some VERY nasty builds that use Grotesques.

They make a simply amazing meatwall that can clog up TWC or chew through most assaulty type troops.