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Depends on the game. This isn't an attempt to bash one game or another, but generally, people my friends and I meet on Halo are silent or alright. There are some, but they're few and far between. Then we have Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. Generally, we meet a group of asses in every single game. Now, the fact that it requires you to be in game-chat to play most of the modes, and we almost always play Search and Destroy, which is the mode exclusively for self-confessed pros, probably has something to do with it. To be perfectly honest, S&D is a mode we enjoy because of people we meet. Having arguments with random Liverpudlians is absolutely hilarious when backed up by five like-minded associates. We're generally light-hearted about things like being called milfs, but some others are memorable for their temperament. I think we like to regard ourselves as somewhat experts at antagonizing anonymous Americans. Changing our clan-tags to match their does the trick. For example, there was the defy clan. We then became the defi clan. They were furious, and I was called a 'broomstick'. It helps when you win most games too.

Karon wrote:LoL isn't marketed to the competitive crowd

Personally, I'm not really bothered by that. Most of the tiime the competitive crowd sucks ass anyway.

I mean the most well known symbol of a game that's marketed for and supposedly balanced for the competitive crowd is starcraft, and there's very few RTS games that are actually worse than starcraft-- it's just so bland and mediocre, which is often what most competitive players seem to want. See "Fox Only No Items Final Destination" for the perfect example-- and this kind of thing even rears its ugly head in FPS games (see the aformentioned TF2 example for another).

Melissia wrote:TF2's players are typically better with the NON-competitive crowd, I think. Competitive players always want to restrict what you use and what maps you play and what modes you play and etc... "omg you can't use the cow mangler!" "but it's fun and hilarious..." "use liberty launcher or gtfo" "liberty launcher is boring" "gtfo *****" (for reference, the liberty launcher has a faster rocket but less ammo, while the cow mangler is a laser weapon which has a charge-up-- the latter is generally considered weaker than the former aside from it having infinite ammo)

Part of that is that most games will have imbalances. Like any competition, rules appear that restrict player behavior in the spirit of fairness. That said, sometimes the rules are just petty. For example, the MP5 was considered by most CoD4 players as a noobish weapon, as was the M4. The stated reason being that neither weapon had considerable recoil and were easy to use. Of course, the hypocrites just used mountains of Ak47's and 74's, also weapons with little recoil and much more damage per shot. Apparently a gun animation is enough to qualify as recoil to them there pros. Not that all pros were bad. I enjoyed some of them, but many just have that egotistical streak and desire to put down anyone who doesn't meet their stringent and sometimes silly standards.

Karon: Last Stand in DoW2 was several thousand times better than dota, and it's been put in the same rough category of ARTS (a different style of it, but definitely better). *shrug*

They're really not comparable. The game style and objectives are completely different. The only similarity is the top down camera and RTS controls. EDIT: Really, if someone comes to me and says they're looking for something like DOTA, Last Stand isn't going to satisfy them. It's a very different experience.

Honestly, I just don't get your DOTA hate mel I can understand the BF hate, I disagree but I can understand it. But what has DOTA ever done to you

I find most online gamers to be silent and very few are actually bad people who should feel bad.

I play Halo quite a bit, and its usually pretty quiet, but then you get 'that guy' everyone once in a while.

I think most people are pretty decent, at least not annoying.

Every game I play, I mute everyone I meet unless I know the person speaking (which has almost never happened, since I've only ever played with 1 friend on Steam, and I have no friends on PSN... ). Except one time on BO, where the person with the mike sounded exactly, and I mean exactly, like Justin Bieber. I'm not joking, it has to have been him or a really good impersonater. And he was a terrible player too, which made it funny when he criticized everyone for being a noob and stuff like that. It was hilarious.

LordofHats wrote:

Melissia wrote:TF2's players are typically better with the NON-competitive crowd, I think. Competitive players always want to restrict what you use and what maps you play and what modes you play and etc... "omg you can't use the cow mangler!" "but it's fun and hilarious..." "use liberty launcher or gtfo" "liberty launcher is boring" "gtfo *****" (for reference, the liberty launcher has a faster rocket but less ammo, while the cow mangler is a laser weapon which has a charge-up-- the latter is generally considered weaker than the former aside from it having infinite ammo)

Part of that is that most games will have imbalances. Like any competition, rules appear that restrict player behavior in the spirit of fairness. That said, sometimes the rules are just petty. For example, the MP5 was considered by most CoD4 players as a noobish weapon, as was the M4. The stated reason being that neither weapon had considerable recoil and were easy to use. Of course, the hypocrites just used mountains of Ak47's and 74's, also weapons with little recoil and much more damage per shot. Apparently a gun animation is enough to qualify as recoil to them there pros. Not that all pros were bad. I enjoyed some of them, but many just have that egotistical streak and desire to put down anyone who doesn't meet their stringent and sometimes silly standards.

Karon: Last Stand in DoW2 was several thousand times better than dota, and it's been put in the same rough category of ARTS (a different style of it, but definitely better). *shrug*

They're really not comparable. The game style and objectives are completely different. The only similarity is the top down camera and RTS controls. EDIT: Really, if someone comes to me and says they're looking for something like DOTA, Last Stand isn't going to satisfy them. It's a very different experience.

Honestly, I just don't get your DOTA hate mel I can understand the BF hate, I disagree but I can understand it. But what has DOTA ever done to you

Nothing?

Lol, Dark Spore was enjoyable, it's probably closer to DotA style.

No, those aren't similar either. You are listing games that have a top-down view known in RTS games, that is all.

Err, what? DarkSpore isn't an RTS.

Darkspore is essentially a player vs environment version of the dota style of game. If you refuse to call it a dota-style game for whatever weird reason, then it'd be called an "action rpg" by its developers...

Melissia wrote:TF2's players are typically better with the NON-competitive crowd, I think. Competitive players always want to restrict what you use and what maps you play and what modes you play and etc... "omg you can't use the cow mangler!" "but it's fun and hilarious..." "use liberty launcher or gtfo" "liberty launcher is boring" "gtfo *****" (for reference, the liberty launcher has a faster rocket but less ammo, while the cow mangler is a laser weapon which has a charge-up-- the latter is generally considered weaker than the former aside from it having infinite ammo)

Then again, that's my experience with most competitive players online anyway so...



Karon: Last Stand in DoW2 was several thousand times better than dota, and it's been put in the same rough category of ARTS (a different style of it, but definitely better). *shrug*

I bloody hate that Cow Mangler, solely because it disables sentries. That's just kicking the poor spy while he's down....

Slarg232 wrote:

Melissia wrote:TF2's players are typically better with the NON-competitive crowd, I think. Competitive players always want to restrict what you use and what maps you play and what modes you play and etc... "omg you can't use the cow mangler!" "but it's fun and hilarious..." "use liberty launcher or gtfo" "liberty launcher is boring" "gtfo *****" (for reference, the liberty launcher has a faster rocket but less ammo, while the cow mangler is a laser weapon which has a charge-up-- the latter is generally considered weaker than the former aside from it having infinite ammo)

Then again, that's my experience with most competitive players online anyway so...



Karon: Last Stand in DoW2 was several thousand times better than dota, and it's been put in the same rough category of ARTS (a different style of it, but definitely better). *shrug*

I bloody hate that Cow Mangler, solely because it disables sentries. That's just kicking the poor spy while he's down....

Real spies kill everything, including sentries, using the Enforcer. From the other side of the map. So there!

MrDwhitey wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Melissia wrote:TF2's players are typically better with the NON-competitive crowd, I think. Competitive players always want to restrict what you use and what maps you play and what modes you play and etc... "omg you can't use the cow mangler!" "but it's fun and hilarious..." "use liberty launcher or gtfo" "liberty launcher is boring" "gtfo *****" (for reference, the liberty launcher has a faster rocket but less ammo, while the cow mangler is a laser weapon which has a charge-up-- the latter is generally considered weaker than the former aside from it having infinite ammo)

Then again, that's my experience with most competitive players online anyway so...



Karon: Last Stand in DoW2 was several thousand times better than dota, and it's been put in the same rough category of ARTS (a different style of it, but definitely better). *shrug*

I bloody hate that Cow Mangler, solely because it disables sentries. That's just kicking the poor spy while he's down....

Real spies kill everything, including sentries, using the Enforcer. From the other side of the map. So there!

Real spies use any set-up that isn't the Dead Ringer, Enforcer, and Knife.

My personal favorite was the (N00B13, I'm told) Ambassador (named Inara ), Cloak and Dagger, and Knife.


Also, I rather enjoy LoL, but I have to agree with Mel, at least in spirit; "MOBA" games would be so much better with a set up like DoW II, Last Stand. Pick Character X, which is an assassin type character. Equip Cloak of Stabby Stabbyness, gain +10% Crit Chance and Talon's Noxian Deplomacy (Teleport behind the oppenent, silence them, and deal bleed damage over time). Or you could equip the Sneaky Suit of Shadowtheiving, granting a 5% dodge chance, and Evelin's Stealth (A second after using the ability, you disappear into the shadows, remained unseeable for 50 seconds until you attack).

I don't understand why no one seems to want to make a game do this....

Slarg232 wrote:Real spies use any set-up that isn't the Dead Ringer, Enforcer, and Knife.

I'm a real spy at least then. Gods I hate the Dead Ringer.

MrDwhitey wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Real spies use any set-up that isn't the Dead Ringer, Enforcer, and Knife.

I'm a real spy at least then. Gods I hate the Dead Ringer.

I just wish I was Spy enough to use the Kunai, that would make me happy.


I AM Pyro enough to use a Backburner, though

I'm not arguing the Dota thing anymore - nobody even knows what I'm talking about.

Karon wrote:I'm not arguing the Dota thing anymore - nobody even knows what I'm talking about.

If I had to guess, he thnks a pvp aspect needs to be in for it to be in the ARTS genre (which dota popularized despite being crap). Which is a silly point of view, but eh.

Slarg232 wrote:I bloody hate that Cow Mangler, solely because it disables sentries. That's just kicking the poor spy while he's down....

Ironically, the best use for it is actually just spamming regular shots, as you have infinite ammo and +1 shot for a full reload, so you don't have to worry about shot placement as much. The charged shot just leaves the soldier far too open in most cases.

MrDwhitey wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Real spies use any set-up that isn't the Dead Ringer, Enforcer, and Knife.

I'm a real spy at least then. Gods I hate the Dead Ringer.

Here's a real spy for you-- use dead ringer, the knife that steals disguises, and any non-enforcer gun.

You damned well better be good with that dead ringer or you're deader than dead.

LOL What games are you guys playing? That many people are unpleasant? Actually, it seems there are more unpleasant people on Consoles than there are on PC games. (I like both equally, not trying to make any sort of point here). Also why does EVERYONE say the Left 4 Dead 2 community sucks? I have only once been majorly annoyed by someone who insisted on playing rap music through the speakers, and sometimes you get the douche who tries to kill you, but other than that, I'd say Left 4 Dead 2 has one of the best online communities I have come across.

daedalus-templarius wrote:I play Halo quite a bit, and its usually pretty quiet, but then you get 'that guy' everyone once in a while.

I think most people are pretty decent, at least not annoying.

It used to be Halo with the crappy comunity and annoying peope but now it's CoD...
CoD has some real arseholes on it.

The problem is that DOTA denotes a very select genre that only a few games fit. Action RTS is a little more encompassing of a broader set of games in its usage.

To reuse the classic phrase, DOTA games are Action RTS's, Action RTS's are not DOTA games.

I prefer the ARTS definition myself, in no small part due to the fact that dota is such crap. But also because overly specific definitions are useless.

Like those [edit: illogical people] that say "if it isn't a starcraft clone it isn't RTS".

Melissia wrote:I prefer the ARTS definition myself, in no small part due to the fact that dota is such crap. But also because overly specific definitions are useless.

Like those [edit: illogical people] that say "if it isn't a starcraft clone it isn't RTS".

People say that?

And these people are allowed outside?

MrDwhitey wrote:

Melissia wrote:I prefer the ARTS definition myself, in no small part due to the fact that dota is such crap. But also because overly specific definitions are useless.

Like those [edit: illogical people] that say "if it isn't a starcraft clone it isn't RTS".

People say that?

And these people are allowed outside?

Of course not, which is why they sit at their computers 24/7 and spout nothing but SC fanboi crap.

On XBL, you can mostly tell if somebody's a jerk or not. Silent or not. You can recognize them by the excessive t-bagging (which I hate) and the dead body melee's. Many others I have played with are respectable people who are coordinating their team to win the game. Others are... well... UNPLEASANT, and annoying.

Pricks, 99% of them.

susejo239 wrote:On XBL, you can mostly tell if somebody's a jerk or not. Silent or not. You can recognize them by the excessive t-bagging (which I hate) and the dead body melee's. Many others I have played with are respectable people who are coordinating their team to win the game. Others are... well... UNPLEASANT, and annoying.

Ugh, tea-bagging. That happened an unexpected amount of time when playing BFBC2 or CoD. Almost never when playing homefront or MoH...

susejo239 wrote:On XBL, you can mostly tell if somebody's a jerk or not. Silent or not. You can recognize them by the excessive t-bagging (which I hate) and the dead body melee's. Many others I have played with are respectable people who are coordinating their team to win the game. Others are... well... UNPLEASANT, and annoying.

Don't use Armor-lock and I won't melee your dead body multiple times (time permitting) after killing you.

LordofHats wrote:Most online gamers are fine. I think the problem is that so many never say anything, so we only remember that one douche who shows up in a game and ruins all the fun.

This is pretty much it. And WoW players seem to be quite the similar mix to the rest - plenty of douchebags there as well. Doesn't mean that they all are...

While not technically video games, I thought I'd point out that I prefer to play MTG online so I don't have to deal with magic players in person.

In fact, if I could play good replicas of my miniature games online, I probably would for the same reason.

On the video game front, I primarily play Eve, in which idiots don't tend to stick around for very long....

Other: Half and half

No matter what game I've played online its been a mixed bag. Halo 2, Unreal Championship, Perfect Dark Zero, WoW, TF2, CoD: BO, BF2, LoL, DoW, Settlers of Catan, MTG:O, others... I'd say I've gotten the same amount of pleasant and unpleasant folks when playing games.