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Sir_Prometheus wrote:I don't think you do get cover from a vehicle explosion, in fact.

You are still incorrect.

Perils and dangerous terrain specify no cover saves, because otherwise they would be allowed. Which is why I mentioned them.

Vehicle rules disagree with your quote, check page 67.

TftD is another fun example, as is the Doom of Malan'tai's non-shooting attack that happens every shooting phase.
Cover saves are allowed despite not being shooting.

Sir_Prometheus wrote:I feel like you are committed to arguing about not very much.

I am committed to pointing out errors that are presented as truths.
If that is not much, then I agree.

kirsanth wrote:

Sir_Prometheus wrote:if it occurs in the assault phase, it's a close combat attack

Still not true. Dangerous terrain, vehicle explosions, Perils, etc. are all examples to prove that wrong.

iirc there are close combat attacks that do NOT occur in the assault phase.

...?
Number of dubious examples without the reason ...
Dangerous Terrain takes a wound with no armour or cover saves.
Perils of the warp takes a wound with no armour or cover saves and must re-roll successful invulnerable saves
Vehicle explosions are in fact the only one that you can take a cover save against ...
... and the reason being that you can always take a cover save unless you've been told you can't.

Clear cut? Well yes and no. Even though the Flechette doesn't say you can't take a cover save the rules for close combat do.

"Cover dies not provide protection in close combat as it does against shooting. This means that models do not get cover saves against wounds suffered in close combat and for obvious reason cannot go to ground"

I'd say that If you attacking a model in close combat phase and it hurts you (it explodes, wargear or other rule) then you don't get a cover save as you don't get save in close combat.


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Ah you've elaborated since I started typing ... well point still stands

I was also posting examples that call out the fact that they do not allow cover saves as well, Tri.

They are as informative to me as most anything else.


Editing to add:
I have generally read that DoM's power allows cover saves.
If the units affected are in CC, they still can take (applicable) cover saves from that power.

Am I mis-reading that?
It has been a while since it came up.

kirsanth wrote:I was also posting examples that call out the fact that they do not allow cover saves as well, Tri.

They are as informative to me as most anything else.


Editing to add:
I have generally read that DoM's power allows cover saves.
If the units affected are in CC, they still can take (applicable) cover saves from that power.

Am I mis-reading that?
It has been a while since it came up.

Yep did spot you'd explained things since posting ... DoM's power happens outside the Assault phase and doesn't say it ignore cover so you get a cover save. You can take a cover save against everything unless it says so (or happens in close combat) ... which was my point.

Tri wrote:Yep did spot you'd explained things since posting ... DoM's power happens outside the Assault phase and doesn't say it ignore cover so you get a cover save. You can take a cover save against everything unless it says so (or happens in close combat) ... which was my point.

I agree!

I just use odd examples sometimes, especially when distracted.

^^

rigeld - fine, i'll put the boarding plank on the other side of the model and put the nob there. You still cannot draw LOS to it.

You are assaulting "as if" you had gotten out. You HAVENT actually gotten out, so no TLOS. You also have no permission to place the model on the trukk, as the rules for embarking tell you to remove them from the table. So, thats two reasons why you dont get to see the guy...