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Odd. I was expecting complaints about finecast quality, bubbles, miscasts etc.

Far from me to stand in the way of a perfectly good rant against GW, but it does come accross as if your wife is confused about something.

If she wants to complain then by all means complain about the cost of Failcast, the lack of quality control of Failcast, the excessive flash or any other valid reason. But the molds on the Harlequins are the exact same ones that where used to cast the models when they where metal, so that really isn't a valid reason to complain...

heh, the current title of this thread is Epic.

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DarthSpader wrote:Please peruse our online catalogue and check out our harlequin related products like land raiders and space marine captains"

You made me laugh, you really did.

Jollydevil wrote:First off, its an obvious over exageration on the op. She obviously doesnt eat instant ramen every meal for every day, its just an example and usually the go to food when saying youve got no money.
Second, i think youre overexagerating.

At least one person gets it.

She has had to sit through the complaining I've done about finecast costing more and being cheaper to produce. She safely assumes that a finecast kit is going to cost more than a metal one. I honestly feel deeply hurt and ashamed that I didn't very carefully explain everything the email itself was supposed to suggest. Instead of nitpicking about "finecast models are the same as metal ones but in finecast, hurf a durf".
So other than her misunderstanding about the finecast molds being the exact same as the metal ones (op has long since been changed to reflect this) which was apparently an oversight on my part, there is nothing inherently bizarre, wrong, or stupid about the email.
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DarthSpader wrote: it's easy to see how she would look at something she has no exp with except for what she's observed over the OP shoulder (which of course makes her immediate expert) and a brief visit to a store and looking at one box. And her description of that box is not even accurate, since I believe harlequins are multiple part models. (separate arms etc).

It's nothing she can really help, and in her mind she's not wrong, she's championing a cause she thinks is valid and trying to get interested in time hobby.....

I was wrong- TWO people get it.

Apparently it was after looking at the DE Lhaemean and the Death Jester blisters, both of which were single models. I was there making a purchase of my own, and with her being in the planning stages of her army and what not didn't feel the need to hand hold on this bunker trip. She goes "So where is the harlequin box?" and I go, I think they're switching to finecast. She had already seen the other two and drew her own conclusions from there.
You are 99% accurate, and I salute you. I don't know that she thinks she's an expert, per se. She has been asking me plenty of questions lately. Even though she wants to model and paint and not play she still didn't want to make the jump to buying an army that was going to eventually sit on the shelf and collect dust. She was planning her purchases based on things she wants to buy/ i want to run and trying to find a balance between those. I've answered more questions about the FoC in the past week than a redshirt answers in a month (this statement is an exaggeration).
She got hung up on the harlequin thing tho and once it looked like that was out of the question the whole thing became a no go.

Sharkvictim wrote:

Jollydevil wrote:First off, its an obvious over exageration on the op. She obviously doesnt eat instant ramen every meal for every day, its just an example and usually the go to food when saying youve got no money.
Second, i think youre overexagerating.

ONE PERSON GETS IT.

Then maybe she(and by extension, you who apparently planned to post it on Dakka) should have written a better email and made better examples rather than playing a round of "Jump to Conclusion!".

She has had to sit through the complaining I've done about finecast costing more and being cheaper to produce. She safely assumes that a finecast kit is going to cost more than a metal one. I honestly feel deeply hurt and ashamed that I didn't very carefully explain everything the email itself was supposed to suggest. Instead of nitpicking about "finecast models are the same as metal ones but in finecast, hurf a durf".
So other than her misunderstanding about the finecast molds being the exact same as the metal ones (op has long since been changed to reflect this) which was apparently an oversight on my part, there is nothing inherently bizarre, wrong, or stupid about the email.

No, plenty of people understand that Finecast costing more is not reflective of the actual intent behind them swapping from metal to resin. Right now, GW can effectively say that "it's start-up costs, and we'll do price reviews later"(which isn't entirely untrue--even if all they do is raise the prices. They reviewed 'em, felt they were too low! ). Plenty of people also understand that GW's stuff is extortionately expensive.

What is being "nitpicked" about is the fact that this email is reflective of the kneejerk attitude that comes every time a company does something its customers do not like. Whether it be AT&T "locking" iPhones to their carrier so you can't swap or EA and Ubisoft introducing a "brand new DRM!" to combat piracy--there is inevitably people complaining without having a clue of what they're talking about.

No. I honestly didn't write it.
No. I honestly didn't expect this insane amount of blowback, either. Especially from a post that I don't think was remotely incendiary.
It still makes me feel ridiculous, so there you go.
Wow.

What did you expect?

People to applaud her for standing up to GW for a perceived slight which does not exist?

ph34r wrote:So, because GW is switching them to a higher quality material, just like with all of their metal models, you would cancel buying an entire army.

Are you somehow under the impression that the metal harlequins required more assembly to the finecast?
Is your attention span so short that you cannot suffer a few weeks delay on one unit out of an entire army?


I honestly 100% don't get it.

The reason you dont get it is because you think GW is switching toa higher quality material. Fine cast is NOT a higher quaility material.

carmachu wrote:
The reason you dont get it is because you think GW is switching to a higher quality material. Fine cast is NOT a higher quaility material.

Higher quality in what sense?

The material is fine, the casting quality so far has been less than fine--but is getting better.
The detail is a bit better on some models but it is not noticeable on every single model.

A perceived slight? Dude, the stuff is overpriced and currently not available. Perceived, understood, and noted.

Hey OP,


I hope you and your lady get things sorted. My wife and I had a lot of fun doing Dreadfleet together, to the point I think I might one day convince her to actually collect an army of her own.


Off topic: Is your avatar pic from Rocknrolla?

Sharkvictim wrote:A perceived slight? Dude, the stuff is overpriced and currently not available. Perceived, understood, and noted.

Actually GW's prices on resin are about the average for huminoid resin sculpts.

@ IdentifyZero. Yeah. I have people to play with, but it's been nice painting together. If she wanted to start playing I'm cool with that too.

It's from Fight Club. Still haven't seen Rocknrolla. It's been sitting here for months...


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Catyrpelius wrote:

Sharkvictim wrote:A perceived slight? Dude, the stuff is overpriced and currently not available. Perceived, understood, and noted.

Actually GW's prices on resin are about the average for huminoid resin sculpts.

Actually still expensive.

carmachu wrote:

ph34r wrote:So, because GW is switching them to a higher quality material, just like with all of their metal models, you would cancel buying an entire army.

Are you somehow under the impression that the metal harlequins required more assembly to the finecast?
Is your attention span so short that you cannot suffer a few weeks delay on one unit out of an entire army?


I honestly 100% don't get it.

The reason you dont get it is because you think GW is switching toa higher quality material. Fine cast is NOT a higher quaility material.

And that is entirely your opinion. I enjoy working with Finecast far more than metal, so I think it's a better quality material. Just because you think something does not make it fact.

As for the OP, I am sad people are still complaining about this. If you don't like it, go seek out the metal models, they're still out there.

As for the metal and resin models being the "same mold", they are not. They may use the same masters to make the molds, but the molds are very different.

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I am not getting all the hate here. Someone decided to write a letter because they are unhappy with something. True, some of the information in the letter might be off the mark, but I fail to see how that should result in so much nastiness. Isn't rule 1 or 2 here "be polite?"

ph34r wrote:So, because GW is switching them to a higher quality material, just like with all of their metal models, you would cancel buying an entire army.

Are you somehow under the impression that the metal harlequins required more assembly to the finecast?
Is your attention span so short that you cannot suffer a few weeks delay on one unit out of an entire army?


I honestly 100% don't get it.


EDIT: And you do know that you can still buy metal harlequins at retail prices on eBay... right?

Higher quality is highly suspect. 50% more costly for problems like bubbles or misformed molds or like my nephew, who bought the finecast orc shaman on a boar. Much to his dismay he is finding the weight of the model -with the boar on two legs - started to bend and wilt. Cool- I enjoy paying 30 bucks for a 20 dollar model in metal that has the durability of a cardboard box in a rain storm...

I would also agree, I will no longer make purchases of anything "Finecast" as I find the quality and durability questionable. Especially so when I think of a 50% markup.

Now I will give you a GW marketing ploy - Model X in finecast for $20 or model X in metal for $30. Let the customer chose. If they like the finer detail and the supposedly more cost efficient finecast go with it but for the old fashioned luddite who likes the durability of metal, then you pay a premium.

Here is hoping that with the next release of eldar that all the aspects will become plastic and all the wracks will become plastic. Here is hoping for plaguebearers in plastic kits instead of "finecast."

DAaddict wrote:Higher quality is highly suspect. 50% more costly for problems like bubbles or misformed molds or like my nephew, who bought the finecast orc shaman on a boar. Much to his dismay he is finding the weight of the model -with the boar on two legs - started to bend and wilt. Cool- I enjoy paying 30 bucks for a 20 dollar model in metal that has the durability of a cardboard box in a rain storm...

I would also agree, I will no longer make purchases of anything "Finecast" as I find the quality and durability questionable. Especially so when I think of a 50% markup.

Now I will give you a GW marketing ploy - Model X in finecast for $20 or model X in metal for $30. Let the customer chose. If they like the finer detail and the supposedly more cost efficient finecast go with it but for the old fashioned luddite who likes the durability of metal, then you pay a premium.

Here is hoping that with the next release of eldar that all the aspects will become plastic and all the wracks will become plastic. Here is hoping for plaguebearers in plastic kits instead of "finecast."

I'll make no excuses for finecast wilting in hot temperatures.

If you want to buy the oldschool metal ones, I'm sure eBay can hook you up for likely less than 50% more.

ph34r wrote:

DAaddict wrote:Higher quality is highly suspect. 50% more costly for problems like bubbles or misformed molds or like my nephew, who bought the finecast orc shaman on a boar. Much to his dismay he is finding the weight of the model -with the boar on two legs - started to bend and wilt. Cool- I enjoy paying 30 bucks for a 20 dollar model in metal that has the durability of a cardboard box in a rain storm...

I would also agree, I will no longer make purchases of anything "Finecast" as I find the quality and durability questionable. Especially so when I think of a 50% markup.

Now I will give you a GW marketing ploy - Model X in finecast for $20 or model X in metal for $30. Let the customer chose. If they like the finer detail and the supposedly more cost efficient finecast go with it but for the old fashioned luddite who likes the durability of metal, then you pay a premium.

Here is hoping that with the next release of eldar that all the aspects will become plastic and all the wracks will become plastic. Here is hoping for plaguebearers in plastic kits instead of "finecast."

I'll make no excuses for finecast wilting in hot temperatures.

If you want to buy the oldschool metal ones, I'm sure eBay can hook you up for likely less than 50% more.



I agree Ebay for the next year or two but after that, so sorry. As an example I am kind of intrugued by the new Necrons but I am hesitating due to the HQ figs being in finecast. They look nice to be sure but I don't want to spend 20 to 30 bucks on a "wilter" so I will have to see if an old school necron lord will look okay next to the new models. If not, my choice might be to say too bad, so sad but no Necrons for me.

DAaddict wrote:I agree Ebay for the next year or two but after that, so sorry. As an example I am kind of intrugued by the new Necrons but I am hesitating due to the HQ figs being in finecast. They look nice to be sure but I don't want to spend 20 to 30 bucks on a "wilter" so I will have to see if an old school necron lord will look okay next to the new models. If not, my choice might be to say too bad, so sad but no Necrons for me.

I must admit I live in a fairly hot environment much of the time, it gets well over 100 here in the summer, but do your models actually wilt when not exposed to direct sunlight? I had a Lelith in my car's trunk for more than a month during the summer and that model seems to have survived.

Nono , see the minis in the GW foam carrier. It wouldnt fit 100% unless its designed like BattleFoam.

So there are odds and ends that easily pokes out.
When that is stacked + hot day, it WILL bend or snap.

Please cease and desist in these egregious violations of our Rule Number One immediately. Go outside for some fresh air, get a little perspective about debating on the internet, and come back fresh and ready to address actual points related to miniatures wargaming rather than posting personal attacks. First and final warning for this thread. Thanks!

The letter seems a bit confused to me, and for that reason it'll be ignored by GW. That's really all I can say, the name calling going on since in the thread... oh well.