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Well seeing as how you're alone you can't refuse challenges, but yes if in a challenge only the characters involved you fight.
Also if going into a ranked unit alone have a crown of command handy.

For the first question - get a scatter dice and look. Not a rules question

You can ONLY refuse a challenge if you have a non-fighting rank you can be retired to. Given you are by yourself you have no rank that isnt fighting, and so CANNOT refuse a challenge.

Thats pg 102.. "Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide"

nosferatu1001 wrote:For the first question - get a scatter dice and look. Not a rules question

I wouldn't ask if we had a scatter dice or access to one, would I, think before you try to be an jackass next time.
And I figured it isn't a rules question but may aswell go into the thread where I ask dozens of other nooby questions others will be politely answering.

Okay, so I have a bunch of other questions:



I had the chance to charge with my hydra at one of my enemies' flanks. that enemy was already engaged. I didn't because his lord in that unit had heroic killing blow, and even though he wasn't placed in that flank and would not have been in direct combat with my hydra, it is my understanding that when enemies engage, the champion/character can shuffle amongst the unit into a position to make base to base contact with the enemy, is this correct? WHAT IF that unit was already in close combat and that champion was engaged with one of my models, can he choose to just swap out of contact with that one and into contact with my hydra? Mind you these are Bret heavy knights.


Also can characters in units in close combat choose to designate their attacks however they like?
eg we fought two units each with a character in it. nobody declared a challenge, but he directed all his attacks against my character nonetheless even though he was in base contact with the rest of the unit. it is my understanding that this is correct. but I can choose to ignore the champ with mine and target his regular troops.


On the hydra:
When calculating combat resolution, what is my hydra's unit strength? is he immediately outnumbered whenever there are 4 models (more than the hydra and beastmasters?) or no?

Can I buff the Hydra with cauldron?

Is it correct that I can't thunderstomp cavalry?

Can I stand and shoot my hydra's breath weapon? I'm guessing no and that's the way we played it. but then it is a "shooting" attack done in the shooting phase.



There was a funny flee situation in which my unit of warriors broke and fled through my standalone sorceress (not engaged in combat). she passed the panic test and stood ground, and he pursued with the cavalry, and would've succeeded in running down but had to stop to fight the sorceress in the next close combat phase. (did we do this correctly)



Does a trebuchet have line of sight over infantry? what about over cavalry? The LoS rules are a little ambiguous.



Oh and with dark magic, other than the two magic missile spells, the other spells don't have types, so can I cast them whilst in close combat?

Thanks again, much appreciated

Marlo wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:For the first question - get a scatter dice and look. Not a rules question

I wouldn't ask if we had a scatter dice or access to one, would I, think before you try to be an jackass next time.
And I figured it isn't a rules question but may aswell go into the thread where I ask dozens of other nooby questions others will be politely answering.

You will need a scatter dice and a artillery dice if your using a treb. Anyways.. 1 hit, (it does have a arrow), rest with Arrows pointing in the same way.. Art dice is Mis, 2-10 even numbers.

Marlo wrote:

Okay, so I have a bunch of other questions:



I had the chance to charge with my hydra at one of my enemies' flanks. that enemy was already engaged. I didn't because his lord in that unit had heroic killing blow, and even though he wasn't placed in that flank and would not have been in direct combat with my hydra, it is my understanding that when enemies engage, the champion/character can shuffle amongst the unit into a position to make base to base contact with the enemy, is this correct? WHAT IF that unit was already in close combat and that champion was engaged with one of my models, can he choose to just swap out of contact with that one and into contact with my hydra? Mind you these are Bret heavy knights.

Character can not make way if he is already in base to base combat with someone. (pg 100, Make Way)

Marlo wrote:
Also can characters in units in close combat choose to designate their attacks however they like?
eg we fought two units each with a character in it. nobody declared a challenge, but he directed all his attacks against my character nonetheless even though he was in base contact with the rest of the unit. it is my understanding that this is correct. but I can choose to ignore the champ with mine and target his regular troops.

Anyone can designate thier attacks to whom ever they are in base contact with. (pg 48, Diving attacks)

Marlo wrote:

On the hydra:
When calculating combat resolution, what is my hydra's unit strength? is he immediately outnumbered whenever there are 4 models (more than the hydra and beastmasters?) or no?

No longer use Unit Strength. (All FAQs). Use Ranks. Since Hydra is only 1 model. (beastmasters do not count), you have a rank of 0. But you will get 1 to combaty Res.

See page 52-53.

Marlo wrote:


Can I buff the Hydra with cauldron?

Yes.

Marlo wrote:


Is it correct that I can't thunderstomp cavalry?

Cant stomp/thunderstomp cavalry, pg 76

Marlo wrote:


Can I stand and shoot my hydra's breath weapon? I'm guessing no and that's the way we played it. but then it is a "shooting" attack done in the shooting phase.

No. But can be used in Close Combat if not already used. (pg 67)

Marlo wrote:


There was a funny flee situation in which my unit of warriors broke and fled through my standalone sorceress (not engaged in combat). she passed the panic test and stood ground, and he pursued with the cavalry, and would've succeeded in running down but had to stop to fight the sorceress in the next close combat phase. (did we do this correctly)

When breaking If the pursuit roll equals or greater then the flee roll, the unit is distroyed. (pg 56)

Marlo wrote:


Does a trebuchet have line of sight over infantry? what about over cavalry? The LoS rules are a little ambiguous.

LOS for the treb is at the Crossbar (pg 109). I think it can see over both.. Look for the crossbar and see if you can see over unit. If its close ask your opponent if it has LOS.. If it doesnt, you can alwasy use indirect fire. (pg 115)

Marlo wrote:

Oh and with dark magic, other than the two magic missile spells, the other spells don't have types, so can I cast them whilst in close combat?

I go by, If it does damage its a direct damage spell, If it buffs or subtract buffs its a Augment/Hex. If its a templete that moves, then tis a vortex.



Do you have a rulebook?

Marlo wrote:I wouldn't ask if we had a scatter dice or access to one, would I, think before you try to be an jackass next time.
And I figured it isn't a rules question but may aswell go into the thread where I ask dozens of other nooby questions others will be politely answering. It has 2 'hit' symbols on it and 4 'scatter' symbols on it

Okay, so I have a bunch of other questions:



I had the chance to charge with my hydra at one of my enemies' flanks. that enemy was already engaged. I didn't because his lord in that unit had heroic killing blow, and even though he wasn't placed in that flank and would not have been in direct combat with my hydra, it is my understanding that when enemies engage, the champion/character can shuffle amongst the unit into a position to make base to base contact with the enemy, is this correct? Yes WHAT IF that unit was already in close combat and that champion was engaged with one of my models, can he choose to just swap out of contact with that one and into contact with my hydra? Mind you these are Bret heavy knights.Yes


Also can characters in units in close combat choose to designate their attacks however they like?
eg we fought two units each with a character in it. nobody declared a challenge, but he directed all his attacks against my character nonetheless even though he was in base contact with the rest of the unit. it is my understanding that this is correct. but I can choose to ignore the champ with mine and target his regular troops.Yes (you guys are getting better at this )


On the hydra:
When calculating combat resolution, what is my hydra's unit strength? is he immediately outnumbered whenever there are 4 models (more than the hydra and beastmasters?) or no? no more unit strength, just ignore that part of the hydra's entry, also you do not have any ranks for the purposes of combat resolution and steadfast (monster cannot have ranks you see)

Can I buff the Hydra with cauldron?Sure can

Is it correct that I can't thunderstomp cavalry? No, they are to big to get stomped on by old many heads

Can I stand and shoot my hydra's breath weapon? I'm guessing no and that's the way we played it. but then it is a "shooting" attack done in the shooting phase. no



There was a funny flee situation in which my unit of warriors broke and fled through my standalone sorceress (not engaged in combat). she passed the panic test and stood ground, and he pursued with the cavalry, and would've succeeded in running down but had to stop to fight the sorceress in the next close combat phase. (did we do this correctly) he just needs to equal or beat your roll, however if he has to pass through your sorceress to move the full distant I am fairly certain that he has to take a dangerous terrain test for everyone that passes through her.



Does a trebuchet have line of sight over infantry? what about over cavalry? The LoS rules are a little ambiguous. Look from the crossbar, if you can see it you can shoot it



Oh and with dark magic, other than the two magic missile spells, the other spells don't have types, so can I cast them whilst in close combat? no, if a spell doesn't have a type than it will specify exactly what it can and cannot do in its entry

Thanks again, much appreciated

Krelinus - no, the pursuing unit does NOT move through the Sorceress, ever. They end up charging her instead. You take dangerous terrain tests when fleeing through enemy models.

Mario - you're really going to need a scatter dice if you want to keep playing, lots of places will ship them to you and GW sell them in the dice blocks. Not being "an" jackass, but unless you're going to make your own it would be useful to grab one. You can "make" an artillery dice however - double the D6 result, "6" being a misfire - this gives you a range of 2 - 10 + misfire, same as an artillery dice. Useful when you inievitably misplace them.

LOS is "TRUE" los - so look from the cross bar of the treb, and if you can see the enemy you can shoot them directly. If you cant shoot them directly, you always have indirect fire on a treb

You mentioned being outnumbered because the hydra is one model, yes you will be, but that makes absolutely no difference in game. If it did then brets wouldn't have to ignore one of their virtues

nosferatu1001 wrote:Krelinus - no, the pursuing unit does NOT move through the Sorceress, ever. They end up charging her instead. You take dangerous terrain tests when fleeing through enemy models.

Dang, i didn't think so, it must have been the fleeing through enemy models that I was thinking of, oh well, thanks for clearing that up just the same (really got to remember that one).

Do harpies get inspiring presence? (i know they don't make other elves panic as they aren't elves, but it doesn't say anything about general's LD)

Can black horror be cast (not to target the centre of) to touch enemy units in close combat. the rules don't state otherwise like other direct damage templates (because it is a 7th ed book and they don't give spell types). But i said no because I thought that would be super cheep lawyer'ing.


The 12" range of ring of hotek includes the caster him/herself and also the targets of spells, correct? (eg it still works if.

If I have a focus familiar, and I am casting through it. can I use it's position to resolve things such as misfiring the purple sun, and also the miscast result that does the template damage?

What happens if I have a horde 10 wide, and there are 2 enemy units that are in line (same distance) and parallel to me so that I could make base to base with them). Is it possible for me to charge both? I can't find the rules for charging more than one unit (it says pg 18 in the index but that's in relation to overruns)

If no, can I march into them (close combat) if I pass the leadership save? and simply give up the bonuses for charging? It doesn't say anywhere in the rules about marching that I can't march into close combat.

It says swords are hand weapons. so does that mean I can use a magic sword without a shield and have an extra attack as it will be like an "additional hand weapon" or no. Either way it says I can't use it 2 hand weapons whilst mounted right? :/

Marlo wrote:Do harpies get inspiring presence? (i know they don't make other elves panic as they aren't elves, but it doesn't say anything about general's LD)

Yes,

Marlo wrote:

If I have a focus familiar, and I am casting through it. can I use it's position to resolve things such as misfiring the purple sun, and also the miscast result that does the template damage?

Its only used for the spot the spell is from. The wizard is miscasting, it will be from her.

Marlo wrote:


What happens if I have a horde 10 wide, and there are 2 enemy units that are in line (same distance) and parallel to me so that I could make base to base with them). Is it possible for me to charge both? I can't find the rules for charging more than one unit (it says pg 18 in the index but that's in relation to overruns)

page 18 is for charging. If you cant avoid contact with the other unit you will have to declare charge on both.

Marlo wrote:

If no, can I march into them (close combat) if I pass the leadership save? and simply give up the bonuses for charging? It doesn't say anywhere in the rules about marching that I can't march into close combat.

No.. only way to get into combat is to charge. You need to stay 1" away from other units. (other then random movement units)

Marlo wrote:

It says swords are hand weapons. so does that mean I can use a magic sword without a shield and have an extra attack as it will be like an "additional hand weapon" or no. Either way it says I can't use it 2 hand weapons whilst mounted right? :/

No. Magic weapons can not be used with a hand weapon to gain a extra attack or used with a shield to get a parry save. See the rules in the Magic Weapons area.

Marlo wrote:Do harpies get inspiring presence? (i know they don't make other elves panic as they aren't elves, but it doesn't say anything about general's LD)

The 12" range of ring of hotek includes the caster him/herself and also the targets of spells, correct? (eg it still works if.

If I have a focus familiar, and I am casting through it. can I use it's position to resolve things such as misfiring the purple sun, and also the miscast result that does the template damage?

What happens if I have a horde 10 wide, and there are 2 enemy units that are in line (same distance) and parallel to me so that I could make base to base with them). Is it possible for me to charge both? I can't find the rules for charging more than one unit (it says pg 18 in the index but that's in relation to overruns)

If no, can I march into them (close combat) if I pass the leadership save? and simply give up the bonuses for charging? It doesn't say anywhere in the rules about marching that I can't march into close combat.

It says swords are hand weapons. so does that mean I can use a magic sword without a shield and have an extra attack as it will be like an "additional hand weapon" or no. Either way it says I can't use it 2 hand weapons whilst mounted right? :/

hotek has been faqed so get the faq from the website
no because focus familiar is only to determine range and los.
i would have to double check but i'm not sure you can double charge, i believe this would result in a failed charge
you can only enter close combat using a charge, you can not march into close combat.
no a magic sword can not be used with a normal weapon, thefencers swords are magic weapons that are "paired", and hellebron has a special rule. unless there is a special rule stating otherwise magic weapons are one handed and can not be combined.

Can you march with the hydra and use it's breath weapon????

I thought you can't march and shoot but I read somewhere that the hydra can use it's breath weapon

Marlo wrote:Can you march with the hydra and use it's breath weapon????

I thought you can't march and shoot but I read somewhere that the hydra can use it's breath weapon

There's an exception for breath weapons. Under the rules for Breath Weapons on page 67, it says that "A Breath Weapon shooting attack can be made even if the model marched or reformed during the same turn." I don't think hydras has any rule that changes that.

Thanks.

When I have the ASF and Hydra banner on a unit of CoK, do the cold ones themselves get it also?
Same goes for cauldron +1 attack blessing on CoK

I played it as no, they don't. My opponent was on the side of trying to help me saying "why wouldn't they, they are part of the unit and model"

I've noticed a bit of a double standard on other forums in regards to which things affect the rider's mount and which don't. a lot of people claim all the models in unit get it, and that a mount is part of the "model". other people say no, the mount is no longer part of the model. then there is a whole Rules as Written intepretation argument and it's all very messy.

The whole argument is actually based on the "i don't like it so it can't be true" mentality of some people.

Tomb King Chariots gain four attacks (two crew, two horses) when Birona's Timewarp or the Tomb Kings' own augment is cast on them. I would think the same holds true in other cases as well, if the buff/debuff doesn't specify otherwise.

okay so hydra banner gives it to mounts (specifically says so)
and cauldron doesn't (specifically says so)

but with the ASF banner. it does or doesn't?
I've heard yes, as it is for the unit and they are part of the unit.

so do Cold ones get the LD as Str if I use mindrazor on the unit? Do the cold one's attacks also get armour piercing if I take that banner?

Marlo wrote:so do Cold ones get the LD as Str if I use mindrazor on the unit? Do the cold one's attacks also get armour piercing if I take that banner?

Yes.

Can a hydra move through a forest?

In terrain descriptions for forests it doesn't say anything for monsters.
Does that mean they can't pass through it at all. or that they can trample puny trees.

(we went with the former)


With the Bret BSB. It says in it's description that it can't take any additional equipment. (it only comes with hand weapon and heavy armour). Does this include lance and shield purchases. and is this only applicable if it takes a magic banner (it is written in a separate paragraph so I assumed it meant magic banner or not)

just wanna clear it up

Marlo wrote:Can a hydra move through a forest?

In terrain descriptions for forests it doesn't say anything for monsters.
Does that mean they can't pass through it at all. or that they can trample puny trees.

Anything can pass trough, but anything that's ridden takes dangerous terrain tests.
So hydra can pass, and a stegadon can but he takes a test.

Marlo wrote:With the Bret BSB. It says in it's description that it can't take any additional equipment. (it only comes with hand weapon and heavy armour). Does this include lance and shield purchases. and is this only applicable if it takes a magic banner (it is written in a separate paragraph so I assumed it meant magic banner or not)

Bret BSB's have the unfortune to be in an old book and thus have a limit on the kind of equipment they can take regardless of what kind of baner they carry.
So a magic banner BSB gets to not have magic gear and not have shield or lance.
With regular banner its magic gear but no shields or lances from either selection.