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KingmanHighborn wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's not going to happen. Period. The Dark Eldar are the only ones who've been able to take a Space Marine prisoner, and that involved such stupidly high amounts of resources to capture one that it's completely unfeasible to believe such a thing will happen.

The Dark Eldar cap Space Marines all the dang time, even capped a Salamanders barge once. (though that was a expenditure of resources but still.) Still the only thing that keeps the Dark Eldar from capping a Grey Knight is the "no psykers allowed" rule in Commoragh. If it wasn't for that rule they'd get them, and have em' on a haemonculus slab in nothing flat.

Just saying, capturing (Please don't say capping) that Salamander's battle barge not only cost them dearly simply to try and board it, it also cost them dearly when their friends arrived.
Hardly a fair trade.
Though they did manage to grab that Sable Swords captain...

KingmanHighborn wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's not going to happen. Period. The Dark Eldar are the only ones who've been able to take a Space Marine prisoner, and that involved such stupidly high amounts of resources to capture one that it's completely unfeasible to believe such a thing will happen.

The Dark Eldar cap Space Marines all the dang time, even capped a Salamanders barge once. (though that was a expenditure of resources but still.)

No, they really don't "cap Space Marines all the dang time".

There's a reason that Space Marines are "valued" as prisoners in Dark Eldar society. Because the risk versus reward is not a high enough payout for anything but the most affluent members of Commoragh's society.

Still the only thing that keeps the Dark Eldar from capping a Grey Knight is the "no psykers allowed" rule in Commoragh. If it wasn't for that rule they'd get them, and have em' on a haemonculus slab in nothing flat.

You keep right on believing that.

No I don't think they do. How many examples can you find of Dark Eldar capturing Astartes? Not many, if any at all.
I think there's a little bit more than that. You know, since Grey Knights are this super-secretive organisation that aren't even known by most members of the Inquisition.

In blood gorgons a CSM get's captured by DE, pretty much ends up lobotomised. Said CSM's buddy then busts in, finds his friend in a state he doesn't like and goes flying rodent gak crazy.

Resulting explosion of RAGE leaves the entire complex in shambles and not a single soul left alive.

look hammer of daemons...
2 grey knights are captured by a chaos lord/champion(i dont remember which one it was) because they were paralysed so bad by pyshcic powers that they couldnt do anything.

And this is why Ben Counter should be ashamed of himself.

Nah, he put a GK in the warp's version of the coliseum. It was awesome. Especialy with Orkz in there.

If you think GK are over powered on the table top, you will be screaming CHEEEEESE!!! ate the fluff...

The GK would slaughter anything that tried to one of them "prisoner"

as far as them being "unconscious" if something could actually make a GK pass out, it sure as hell won't be fear or exhaustion...so it must be a battle wound or something...
as for that, his buddies would kill maim and burn anything that tried to touch him, so much so, it would make Kharn jealous...

as for boarding a GK vessel......good luck with that.......

The capturing a GK part is answered in the grey knight omnibus (if that is canon).A GK justicar is captured and a collar of Khrone is bolted around his neck to surpress his psychic capabilities.He still managed to resist the temptations of a seriously strong daemon and plunged the chaos world on which he was captive before escaping.So yes you can capture a GK, if you have a chaos horde,you are a chaos lord,chosen of abbadon himself and are fighting a few terrified guardsmen and some grey knights.Even then the GK will wreck your

Ben Counter is a horrible author when it comes to sticking to "established" guidelines of the 40k universe, on par with C.S. Goto.

His stuff can be considered, if you want it to be, canon but it's best to pretend it never happened because he has no fething clue what he's talking about.

It's a miserable shame that Counter was allowed to write that tripe, because it's led to nothing but annoyance for me since then. He felt he had to "humanize" Space Marines because otherwise people won't sympathize with them, and he also was a very big reason this ridiculous idea of "Grey Knights are Super Nice Guys" has spread.

If you get "Grey Knights are Super Nice Guys" from the omnibus you have to read that book again, this time with a clear head. There are half a dozen examples of GK s killing loyalist forces or leaving civilians to their doom.


and you think counter is humanizing space marines?? have you even read the space wolves omnibuses or the blood angels one, where the wolves one are just bros before foes thing going on and the blood angels one is simply about a jealous brother.

Altough i think william king is an awesome writer, i still believe some of the stuff in the book would have been better for regular guardsmen instead of space marines.

And i though it was a well known fact bliack library stuff is never canon , only codices are.

Everything is canon, and nothing is canon.

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this is a canon

Using William King as an excuse for Ben Counter's shenanigans is ridiculous.

King was writing before much of the current stuff was really 'set in stone'.

pizzaguardian wrote:http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSP8dcuHzRD7qbFoQXB5zhqXxvl11mKJ0WkWxqPs1fWWFtAAiFx

this is a canon

Good one.

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this is a canon

How punny

The 40K expanded universe fiction exists in a quantum superposition of canon, not canon and all possible points on the line between canon and not canon.

Only when it is observed does it collapse to a single state. Even then the act of observation (and the state of the observer) alters that state.

We all just have to deal with it.

Depending on how canon you consider the BL novels - at least one Grey Knight has been taken captive adn forced to fight (as usual ) by his chaos captives.

There is nothing in the OP that says its Imperial Guard as former allies - it could be other Astartes, Eldar, Tau, other xenos etc - all of whom may be able to capture a GK reletively intact - how long the GK would last intact depends on what they do with him.

The next bit about the Inquisiton branding them heretics - likely unless they have their own "plot defence" or similar - like say Space Wolves, Gaunts Ghosts or Cain

gpfunk wrote:What an odd thread. Point stands, you can't capture a Grey Knight. They'll blow their own brains out with their latent psychic energy if they have to.

The Grey Knight Omnibus confirms that the average GK battle-brother is precisely this single-minded.

The more exceptional ones, however, such as Justicar Alaric, get captured but bring the whole thing down from the inside (even if they have to wear a collar of khorne and go on a mindless berserker rampage to do it).

purplefood wrote:

KingmanHighborn wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's not going to happen. Period. The Dark Eldar are the only ones who've been able to take a Space Marine prisoner, and that involved such stupidly high amounts of resources to capture one that it's completely unfeasible to believe such a thing will happen.

The Dark Eldar cap Space Marines all the dang time, even capped a Salamanders barge once. (though that was a expenditure of resources but still.) Still the only thing that keeps the Dark Eldar from capping a Grey Knight is the "no psykers allowed" rule in Commoragh. If it wasn't for that rule they'd get them, and have em' on a haemonculus slab in nothing flat.

Just saying, capturing (Please don't say capping) that Salamander's battle barge not only cost them dearly simply to try and board it, it also cost them dearly when their friends arrived.
Hardly a fair trade.
Though they did manage to grab that Sable Swords captain...

To be fair - the whole incident with the Salamanders was orchastrated by Vect to get rid of the ruling Archons and set up his own power base. The Strike cruiser initially ensnared would have fallen eventually - and some of the crew may have been captured. The other marines were only able to enter and more importantly leave the Dark Eldar realm through Vects schemes.

Marines are captured now and again by the DE - same as any other formidable warrior - genestealers, Ork bosess, Tryanids etc etc. They love those boys in the arena . marines are difficult to capture - not impossible - and that part of the thrill of the hunt.

Nice piece in the last codex with Urien having a Marine hung up on the wall merely to experiment with....

Grey Knights are psykers which is an issue but then so are tryanids and genestealers (in a way) - they would be very very difficult - probably almost impossible to subdue and capture but the rewards for a DE that achieved it would be very great (even if it got him or her killed as death is often tempoary state for them)