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What would happen if the GK attack their previous allies but end up killed or taken as prisoners while their ships are shot to pieces or boarded and ceased.

Would the =I= brand the victorious units in question as heretics and traitors and start an larger military campaign or sweep the whole thing under the carpet?

Bahahaha.

Yeah. You're not going to be able to "board" or "seize" a Grey Knight vessel.

You're also not going to be able to take them prisoner.

Have fun trying though. If you weren't going to be killed before, you certainly are after trying.

Well to survive, they'd need to fight back against the Grey Knights attacking them, which the Inquisition wouldn't like.

I think the Inquisition would have a big collective head scratching session, to figure out what they did wrong.

Durza wrote:Well to survive, they'd need to fight back against the Grey Knights attacking them, which the Inquisition wouldn't like.

And which would simply confirm the Inquisition's suspicions as to why the Grey Knights attacked the force to begin with.

The best thing to do when accused of heresy/corruption is simply to do nothing.

As it said on the Daemonhunter's book spine...

"Innocence Proves Nothing".

Kanluwen wrote:Yeah. You're not going to be able to "board" or "seize" a Grey Knight vessel.

Unless the boarding team manages to jam the self destruct system before it is activated.
If an ships armor can be penetrated with weapons it can also be boarded.

Kanluwen wrote:You're also not going to be able to take them prisoner.

The GK commit suicide by holding their breath if captured?

Kanluwen wrote:And which would simply confirm the Inquisition's suspicions as to why the Grey Knights attacked the force to begin with.

The GK kill/brainwash everyone involved policy?

Safor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Yeah. You're not going to be able to "board" or "seize" a Grey Knight vessel.

Unless the boarding team manages to jam the self destruct system before it is activated.
If an ships armor can be penetrated with weapons it can also be boarded.

Kanluwen wrote:You're also not going to be able to take them prisoner.

The GK commit suicide by holding their breath if captured?

Kanluwen wrote:And which would simply confirm the Inquisition's suspicions as to why the Grey Knights attacked the force to begin with.

The GK kill/brainwash everyone involved policy?

I doubt many Imperial forces have that capability.

Safor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:You're also not going to be able to take them prisoner.

The GK commit suicide by holding their breath if captured?

Space Marines consider being captured to be the worst fate they can suffer. Death, even if futile and pointless, is vastly preferred. They'll either die trying to take as many of the enemy with them as possible, or die in an escape attempt.

Safor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:And which would simply confirm the Inquisition's suspicions as to why the Grey Knights attacked the force to begin with.

The GK kill/brainwash everyone involved policy?

The Inquistion mandated that policy. If someone resists, it's them getting the Inquisition set on them.

DarknessEternal wrote:Space Marines consider being captured to be the worst fate they can suffer. Death, even if futile and pointless, is vastly preferred. They'll either die trying to take as many of the enemy with them as possible, or die in an escape attempt.

So captured GK/SM should be reduced to an state where they can't even bite their tongue.

DarknessEternal wrote:The Inquistion mandated that policy. If someone resists, it's them getting the Inquisition set on them.

Ok. So the Inquisition dispatches an larger fleet to deal with the problem.

Safor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Yeah. You're not going to be able to "board" or "seize" a Grey Knight vessel.

Unless the boarding team manages to jam the self destruct system before it is activated.
If an ships armor can be penetrated with weapons it can also be boarded.

And then you're fighting Grey Knights on board their own vessel.

Let's rephrase that.
You will be fighting Astartes in enclosed quarters, on board their own vessel which they can vent the atmosphere in and still survive.
Navy boarding teams have to wear environmental hardsuits, and those can be breached stupidly easily.

Kanluwen wrote:You're also not going to be able to take them prisoner.

The GK commit suicide by holding their breath if captured?

No, they keep fighting until everyone is dead.

It's not going to happen. Period. The Dark Eldar are the only ones who've been able to take a Space Marine prisoner, and that involved such stupidly high amounts of resources to capture one that it's completely unfeasible to believe such a thing will happen.

Kanluwen wrote:And which would simply confirm the Inquisition's suspicions as to why the Grey Knights attacked the force to begin with.

The GK kill/brainwash everyone involved policy?

Yeah...if you're going to cite that, get it right.
The "kill/brainwash everyone involved" policy is mandated because of not the fact that Grey Knights were involved--but because simply knowing about what lurks within the Warp gives it power.

Kanluwen wrote:You will be fighting Astartes in enclosed quarters, on board their own vessel which they can vent the atmosphere in and still survive.
Navy boarding teams have to wear environmental hardsuits, and those can be breached stupidly easily.

Who said anything about regular troops? Would regular troops suppress successfully an daemonic incursion first and still be capable of defeating Grey Knight units.
Maybe the opposing force has an radical ordo Xenos Inquisitor?

Kanluwen wrote:No, they keep fighting until everyone is dead.

It's not going to happen. Period. The Dark Eldar are the only ones who've been able to take a Space Marine prisoner, and that involved such stupidly high amounts of resources to capture one that it's completely unfeasible to believe such a thing will happen.

Do they have an build in self destruct system that is triggered if someone approaches their paralyzed bodies or how do they avoid getting captured after they become unconscious/lose the ability to use their arms and legs.

Safor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:You will be fighting Astartes in enclosed quarters, on board their own vessel which they can vent the atmosphere in and still survive.
Navy boarding teams have to wear environmental hardsuits, and those can be breached stupidly easily.

Who said anything about regular troops? Would regular troops suppress successfully an daemonic incursion first and still be capable of defeating Grey Knight units.
Maybe the opposing force has an radical ordo Xenos Inquisitor?

Kanluwen wrote:No, they keep fighting until everyone is dead.

It's not going to happen. Period. The Dark Eldar are the only ones who've been able to take a Space Marine prisoner, and that involved such stupidly high amounts of resources to capture one that it's completely unfeasible to believe such a thing will happen.

Do they have an build in self destruct system that is triggered if someone approaches their paralyzed bodies or how do they avoid getting captured after they become unconscious/lose the ability to use their arms and legs.

They don't. They likely have the ability to commit suicide using their own powers... they are psykers and all.
You are talking about Imperial forces that manage to surpress a daemonic invasion. They will be tired, demoralised and facing far surperior troops. If they manage to board a GK ship they would likely be killed in fairly short order since boarding actions are bloodbaths anyway.

Safor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:You will be fighting Astartes in enclosed quarters, on board their own vessel which they can vent the atmosphere in and still survive.
Navy boarding teams have to wear environmental hardsuits, and those can be breached stupidly easily.

Who said anything about regular troops? Would regular troops suppress successfully an daemonic incursion first and still be capable of defeating Grey Knight units.

There's no regular troops that are able to "successfully suppress a Daemonic incursion".
It's why the Grey Knights exist.

Maybe the opposing force has an radical ordo Xenos Inquisitor?

Why the hell is an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor at a Daemonic incursion, first off?

And why would an Inquisitor be fighting against the Grey Knights...unless he's done something wrong.

Kanluwen wrote:No, they keep fighting until everyone is dead.

It's not going to happen. Period. The Dark Eldar are the only ones who've been able to take a Space Marine prisoner, and that involved such stupidly high amounts of resources to capture one that it's completely unfeasible to believe such a thing will happen.

Do they have an built in self destruct system that is triggered if someone approaches their paralyzed bodies or how do they avoid getting captured after they become unconscious/lose the ability to use their arms and legs.

They do not need one.

Safor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:No, they keep fighting until everyone is dead.

It's not going to happen. Period. The Dark Eldar are the only ones who've been able to take a Space Marine prisoner, and that involved such stupidly high amounts of resources to capture one that it's completely unfeasible to believe such a thing will happen.

Do they have an build in self destruct system that is triggered if someone approaches their paralyzed bodies or how do they avoid getting captured after they become unconscious/lose the ability to use their arms and legs.

We might end up in a black knight deal. Though isn't there a story where some GKs get captured?

nomotog wrote:

Safor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:No, they keep fighting until everyone is dead.

It's not going to happen. Period. The Dark Eldar are the only ones who've been able to take a Space Marine prisoner, and that involved such stupidly high amounts of resources to capture one that it's completely unfeasible to believe such a thing will happen.

Do they have an build in self destruct system that is triggered if someone approaches their paralyzed bodies or how do they avoid getting captured after they become unconscious/lose the ability to use their arms and legs.

We might end up in a black knight deal. Though isn't there a story where some GKs get captured?

Yeah.
1 dies and the other busts out after killing a great deal of people...

Kanluwen wrote:Why the hell is an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor at a Daemonic incursion, first off?

Bad luck.

Kanluwen wrote:And why would an Inquisitor be fighting against the Grey Knights...unless he's done something wrong.

Maybe he/she has direct orders that are at conflict with the orders of the odro malleus Inquisitor.
Xenos: The research facility must be protected at all costs. You have permission to use sanctioned Xeno weapons and WMD:s if necessary.
Malleus: Purge everything.

Kanluwen wrote:They do not need one.

Explain me. How do they avoid capture after their bodies have been paralyzed? Or after their legs and arms have been cut off?

Safor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why the hell is an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor at a Daemonic incursion, first off?

Bad luck.

Kanluwen wrote:And why would an Inquisitor be fighting against the Grey Knights...unless he's done something wrong.

Maybe he/she has direct orders that are at conflict with the orders of the odro malleus Inquisitor.
Xenos: The research facility must be protected at all costs. You have permission to use sanctioned Xeno weapons and WMD:s if necessary.
Malleus: Purge everything.

Kanluwen wrote:They do not need one.

Explain me. How do they avoid capture after their bodies have been paralyzed? Or after their legs and arms have been cut off?

Well most people, upon losing their arms and legs, die.
So, this Ordo Xenos Inquisitor, upon being on a planet due to bad luck gets orders to defend a random research station? Far more likely he/she would have orders to evacuate and rescue the staff and any artifacts/technology and let the GK get on with it.

Kanluwen wrote:

Durza wrote:Well to survive, they'd need to fight back against the Grey Knights attacking them, which the Inquisition wouldn't like.

And which would simply confirm the Inquisition's suspicions as to why the Grey Knights attacked the force to begin with.

The best thing to do when accused of heresy/corruption is simply to do nothing.

As it said on the Daemonhunter's book spine...

"Innocence Proves Nothing".

But doing nothing just means you've realised you're guilty and will let them punish you.

Safor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why the hell is an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor at a Daemonic incursion, first off?

Bad luck.

Or because they were meddling with things they don't understand, as per usual.

Kanluwen wrote:And why would an Inquisitor be fighting against the Grey Knights...unless he's done something wrong.

Maybe he/she has direct orders that are at conflict with the orders of the ordo malleus Inquisitor.
Xenos: The research facility must be protected at all costs. You have permission to use sanctioned Xeno weapons and WMD:s if necessary.
Malleus: Purge everything.

If the Ordo Xenos is protecting their facility in the middle of a Daemonic Incursion--they're doing it wrong.

Kanluwen wrote:They do not need one.

Explain me. How do they avoid capture after their bodies have been paralyzed? Or after their legs and arms have been cut off?

Ugh.

You completely missed the point.

You are not going to take them alive. They are going to be fighting until they are dead. You are going to be FORCED to kill them.

purplefood wrote:

nomotog wrote:

Safor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:No, they keep fighting until everyone is dead.

It's not going to happen. Period. The Dark Eldar are the only ones who've been able to take a Space Marine prisoner, and that involved such stupidly high amounts of resources to capture one that it's completely unfeasible to believe such a thing will happen.

Do they have an build in self destruct system that is triggered if someone approaches their paralyzed bodies or how do they avoid getting captured after they become unconscious/lose the ability to use their arms and legs.

We might end up in a black knight deal. Though isn't there a story where some GKs get captured?

Yeah.
1 dies and the other busts out after killing a great deal of people...

So you can capture a GK. Just can't keep them.

Kanluwen wrote:If the Ordo Xenos is protecting their facility in the middle of a Daemonic Incursion--they're doing it wrong.

????
If theres not enough time to evacuate all assets and the facility must be protected. What would you do?
Besides if the ordo malleus gets an hint of daemons they show up anyway whether you want their help or not.

Kanluwen wrote:You completely missed the point.

You are not going to take them alive. They are going to be fighting until they are dead. You are going to be FORCED to kill them.

No you dodged my question. How do they avoid capture in an state that makes them unable to continue fighting.

What an odd thread. Point stands, you can't capture a Grey Knight. They'll blow their own brains out with their latent psychic energy if they have to.

Oh and to the above post, the only state in which they will be unable to fight is when they're DEAD.

Safor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:If the Ordo Xenos is protecting their facility in the middle of a Daemonic Incursion--they're doing it wrong.

????
If theres not enough time to evacuate all assets and the facility must be protected. What would you do?
Besides if the ordo malleus gets an hint of daemons they show up anyway whether you want their help or not.

Kanluwen wrote:You completely missed the point.

You are not going to take them alive. They are going to be fighting until they are dead. You are going to be FORCED to kill them.

No you dodged my question. How do they avoid capture in an state that makes them unable to continue fighting.

You grab as much stuff and blow the facility before you get the hell out of there or you hope it's sufficiently well hidden enough to escape detection and thus remains safe.
GK are all psykers... they should be able to commit suicide by either using their psychic powers or overdoing it and going insane.

If you've pushed a Grey Knight to the point that he's unable to fight, you haven't captured a Grey Knight. You've captured an anonymous piece of meat. Even if he's just paralysed or something, he'll fight as soon as he's released. I'm not really sure what this force seeks to gain from capturing a Grey Knight.

Thanks. This is enough information for the fluff I had in mind.

You know, if you had wanted some information for fluff we could have provided you with alternatives...

I think by the time you have subdued a space marine, he will either not live much longer, or be of no further use to you, as well as unable to kill himself, sounds like a daunting task, even for DE

Kanluwen wrote:"Innocence Proves Nothing"

"Innocence Proves Nothing" ... But nothing doesn't prove innocence.

Kanluwen wrote:It's not going to happen. Period. The Dark Eldar are the only ones who've been able to take a Space Marine prisoner, and that involved such stupidly high amounts of resources to capture one that it's completely unfeasible to believe such a thing will happen.

The Dark Eldar cap Space Marines all the dang time, even capped a Salamanders barge once. (though that was a expenditure of resources but still.) Still the only thing that keeps the Dark Eldar from capping a Grey Knight is the "no psykers allowed" rule in Commoragh. If it wasn't for that rule they'd get them, and have em' on a haemonculus slab in nothing flat.

iproxtaco wrote:I'm not really sure what this force seeks to gain from capturing a Grey Knight.

It does not seek anything. Its troops merely come accross an body of an former ally that is still alive despite of being turned into Swiss cheese with heavy penetrators.

purplefood wrote:You know, if you had wanted some information for fluff we could have provided you with alternatives...

Oh this is just one possible scenario for why an faction including an elite fighting force turned rogue.
Mostly was concerned about how the =I= would react. Oh and the larger fleet will find only an planet with abandoned facilities scrapped planetary defence weapons and wrecked chaos and ordo malleus ships floating in the space.
Covert operation must stay covert.