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I would be massive if everyone was available in one book however there’s going to be 2 different books, legions and renegades. Most likely Legions will be a small elite MEQ force whereas renegades will probably closer resemble codex MEQ books. If I were to guess, I’d say a GEQ type unit that could proxy cultists would probably appear in the Renegades book. Legions will probably have daemons instead to fulfil this role. Considering the rumour that a Traitor Guard codex proposal was rejected, fielding an entire lost and the damned army is probably going to be impossible (outside of using IA).

Considering the Grey Knights book made use of consolidation to condense Inquisitorial units to a handful of profiles I reckon the next CSM books will make use of this same style. Cult MEQ and lesser daemon units will probably be condensed into single profiles (with probably a strong mark/upgrade mechanic being implemented to represent the different factions). Whilst there are downsides to consolidation, the plus side is that it makes the book as a whole easier to balance whilst giving the writers more wiggle room for adding new units.

I don't think it would have to be that massive. For example 8ish SC seems to be reasonable given recent codexes so that gives you 8 potential legions covered. MEQ's could be reduced to 1-2 statlines. For example lose Havocs but give the generic MEQ access to heavy weapons. Or eliminate Raptors but if your generic MEQ gets jump packs and/or a Mark of Slaanesh there you go. You wouldn't lose too much flavour considering the current CSM dex has none.

Also another interesting idea could be have MEQ's be elites (maybe give them current Chosen stats) and function like Wolf Guard, i.e. they can be broken off to join other squads. And maybe certain HQ choices unlock CSM as troops.

One thing they could do is put human cultists, mutants, daemons and cult marine units in elite. They can moved to troops through specific HQ choices. So, like, Alpha Legion makes cultist & mutants troops; mark of Khorne on your lord or daemon prince makes berzerkers troops; word bearers get daemon troops; possessed HQ or maybe greater daemon makes possessed troops).

I also like the idea of either markable or generally upgradeable lesser daemons & daemonic beasts. Maybe those chaos hounds from the old LatD codex, too, what the heck.

A return of the female daemonettes.

They're called daemonettes damnit, not daemons, not half daemonetts! give me my succbuses!

Also: Chaos Space Marine elite unit with enough bits and choices to rival the GK.

I would like to see some land raider variants, and legion specific weapons

1.) Unique rules for each Traitor Legion or affiliated warbands (i.e. playing as The Purge gives you Death Guard rules)

2.) Dark Apostles, Warsmiths, Alpha Legion Infiltrators or Cultists, and some kind of Night Lords fast attack unit

3.) Better integration of Daemons into CSM/Heretic forces

4.) Lost and the Damned. Heretics, Cultists, traitor Guard, Mutants, Beastmen, Rogue Psykers, the whole deal.

5.) More emphasis on Chaos as a whole, less emphasis on renegade Space Marines. The line between Renegade Space Marines/pirates like the Red Corsairs and true children of Chaos like the Word Bearers should be established. I've always had a hard time accepting the Red Corsairs as Chaos rather then just renegade, and renegade chapters like the Red Corsairs should have a blend of CSM/Loyalist equipment and rules.

6.) Some kind of Dark Mechanicus representation, be it some kind of daemon engine, half-machine warriors, and so on.

Namica wrote:A return of the female daemonettes.

They're called daemonettes damnit, not daemons, not half daemonetts! give me my succbuses!

Also: Chaos Space Marine elite unit with enough bits and choices to rival the GK.

Are you aware that Slaanesh is typically portrayed as hermaphrodite? I'm pretty sure it's meant to be half-and-half as it were, same with the covering of a breast.

candy.man wrote:I would be massive if everyone was available in one book however there’s going to be 2 different books, legions and renegades. Most likely Legions will be a small elite MEQ force whereas renegades will probably closer resemble codex MEQ books. If I were to guess, I’d say a GEQ type unit that could proxy cultists would probably appear in the Renegades book. Legions will probably have daemons instead to fulfil this role. Considering the rumour that a Traitor Guard codex proposal was rejected, fielding an entire lost and the damned army is probably going to be impossible (outside of using IA).

Considering the Grey Knights book made use of consolidation to condense Inquisitorial units to a handful of profiles I reckon the next CSM books will make use of this same style. Cult MEQ and lesser daemon units will probably be condensed into single profiles (with probably a strong mark/upgrade mechanic being implemented to represent the different factions). Whilst there are downsides to consolidation, the plus side is that it makes the book as a whole easier to balance whilst giving the writers more wiggle room for adding new units.

I'm not claiming my Fandex is the be-all-and-end-all, but as an example, it's got the vast majority of 'hopes'/'wishlists' (within reason at least) that appears on these threads, but is still a very reasonable size, easily capable of fitting within a normal codices size with background/modelling added and has a FoC of similar size to most Codices. Again, I'm not claiming mine is perfect (although, I admit I am happy with it), but I hope it can demonstrate that Chaos Space Marines can fit within a single 'dex.

I can't fault your 'dex as it is, Dave. I would add some stuff, extend the Warband Rules a bit, but other than that it's everything the current Codex should be. Seriously, I'm actually frustrated that the fans can do better than the developers can in less time and with less resources.

I'd like, for the sake of my 1k sons-playing friend, two things:
1) That 1ksons are worth getting again(even he admits it)
2) That the only guys that can have beserkers AND plague marines have a 'mark of the black legion' on the lord or prince or something like that

More powerful physic powers would be nice

Just Dave wrote:I'm not claiming my Fandex is the be-all-and-end-all, but as an example, it's got the vast majority of 'hopes'/'wishlists' (within reason at least) that appears on these threads, but is still a very reasonable size, easily capable of fitting within a normal codices size with background/modelling added and has a FoC of similar size to most Codices. Again, I'm not claiming mine is perfect (although, I admit I am happy with it), but I hope it can demonstrate that Chaos Space Marines can fit within a single 'dex.

Your fandex is very well written and allows a player to field a great themed 5th edition CSM list. The only criticism I would offer is that it offers the person a little too much choice regarding units and upgrades versus the current codices on the markets. It’s kind of like a codex with an inbuilt IA supplement (which is exactly the reason why I like it).

I think the overall structure of the CSM is due for a shake up considering the CSM list structure hasn’t largely changed from their original third edition codex. I don’t think you can get away with mirroring the loyalist codex structure with the next CSM book without getting a “Spikey Marines” feel. Therefore I like to see a next CSM book to be built around super customisable units in the same style as wolfGuard, henchmen and GKSS. Customisable units would allow players to field different legion arch types without interfering with the overall balance.