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nosferatu1001 wrote:AP3 can NEVER cause ID, because ID is based off S vs T, not armour saves.

Ah yes, my wording was sloppy. I was suppose to mean not allow an armor save.

And thanks Grakmar for the additional conditions, as listed on pg 75 of BRB :]

Also, not allowing an armour save in *some* instances also doesnt cause ID

If a wound is AP2, AP1, would cause instant death in the model, or would otherwise prevent you from taking an armor save you do not get a FnP roll. That is I believe how it is worded in the Rule book.

It is if it NEVER allows you to take an armor save, not prevents you. An AP 3 weapon vs 4+ armor still allows FNP.

along the lines of this question, I have a ponderable:

Character with toughness 4, feel no pain, and eternal warrior gets hit by a Deathroller. and takes some strength 10 hits, which would double out his toughness and not allow feel no pain rolls, but he has eternal warrior... and the hits from the roller are not ap1 or 2 so he gets an armor save.

Does he get to roll for feel no pain or not?

He would not get FNP, because the Str 10 would cause ID to a a Toughness 4 target.

The fact that the Eternal Warrior model ignores the fact that he looses all wounds to ID has no bearing on FNP.

AKA The Unsaved Wound still causes ID, the model with EW just ignores its effects.