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If you want Powerfists, play Death Korp. They have hidden Fists, FnP, and WS 4 for your CC pleasure. Pricey, though.

Vanilla codex? Don't bother. They're either too pricey or too sparse. Or both.

kyranzor wrote:alarmingrick, do you think i'm slowed? Running together does NOT mean as one squad. I know that a PCS is a 5 man squad. But two running 'nearby' to eachother and engaging in the enemy is even better, as they have to split attacks, which helps a bit.

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LOL at the anti-swearing change re-tarded to slowed.. classic

Not at all! you made it Dakka didn't you!
and sorry if it was implied.
I do think running your minideathstar of IG a couple of times will show you what i mean by 'WOW'.
I suspect after a few games you'll wish you'd gone a different route. but, the best way to be sure is
try it out a few times.

considering the rules read that all of your attacks from a PF dude are treated as a power weapon anyway why not?

I like death korp. But I havnt seen any codexes. Just a few PDF unit pages stolen from IA books. Other than that, Iv enever seen a Death Korp codex....Is there one?

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:I like death korp. But I havnt seen any codexes. Just a few PDF unit pages stolen from IA books. Other than that, Iv enever seen a Death Korp codex....Is there one?

The IA books.

Yea thats what I thought. hmm, they should Include Stats for other ig variations in the ig codex. or make other codexs. Like all the different Sm chapters. BA, BT, DA, UM, GK...

Cadian Codex would be kickass.

Joey wrote:Cadian Codex would be kickass.

So, the current IG Codex? Not sure how it could get 'more Cadian'?

It's a joke rick


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Or possibly they meant Kasyrkin

kyranzor wrote:It's a joke rick


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Or possibly they meant Kasyrkin

I'm so bad with interweb sarcasm!

Joey wrote:Cadian Codex would be kickass.

Yea, thanks. -__-

PF on vet squads with shotguns, in a list that includes straken, is very good. You get 18 s4 init 4 attacks and 3 s7 init 1 attacks. For 85 points base. Take 3 such units, and in CC you are a force to be reckoned with.

Also, keep in mind there are some very annoying multiwound t3 models around. Necrons have scarabs, DE have razorwing flocks and all their characters, ect. Add in that anyone with eternal warrior cant be killed instantly, and s6/7 still can wound them on a 2+, the IG fist is just as effective as a s10 fist versus them.

The fists aren't that bad, instead of needing 5's to wound marines etc you now only need 3's, you'll be striking las tmost of the time anyways as well unles sits vs other low str units. And in todays 40k the vast majority of units are T4 up or least I find that.

It also helps vs T7 things otherwise your guard can't touch them (Speaking as a Blob guard army they will come in handy).

Duce wrote:The fists aren't that bad, instead of needing 5's to wound marines etc you now only need 3's, you'll be striking las tmost of the time anyways as well unles sits vs other low str units. And in todays 40k the vast majority of units are T4 up or least I find that.

It also helps vs T7 things otherwise your guard can't touch them (Speaking as a Blob guard army they will come in handy).

You'd need 2's to wound a marine with a S6 weapon

I thought power fists were pretty common when blob up

Billagio wrote:I thought power fists were pretty common when blob up

Blobs can only take power swords
DKOK can take power fists but are generally not accepted as a valid army

Anytime you can take a fist, it's worth taking the fist over the power weapon due to only being I3.

That's easy. What's complicated is that it's rarely worth taking power weapons on those particular units.

A CCS kitted for combat is near the cost of a small blob platoon, which is much more durable and thus will do more damage over time.

There are far, far worse ways to spend 15 points than to throw a fist on a PCS with four flamers that has a transport. Not a bad mop up unit.

I'm not sure about you, Polonius, but I've never had PCS/CCS last more than 1 round of combat against *anything*. I would rather keep the units cheap and cheerful, and get more weapons elsewhere.

I actually have my Company Commander survive the first round (and sometimes even the second) a surprisingly large amount of the time. Usually they bail out of their chimera, hit something hard with plasma, and then there's just not enough attacks left in whatever they hit during the enemy assault phase to actually wipe the entire squad out such that the commander gets killed.

odorofdeath wrote:I'm not sure about you, Polonius, but I've never had PCS/CCS last more than 1 round of combat against *anything*. I would rather keep the units cheap and cheerful, and get more weapons elsewhere.

Really? I think in an MSU environment between shooting and charging you'd have a fair fight. You won't survive, but a fiften point fist should drop an enemy MEQ.

I don't think it's good, but I said there are worse ways to sepnd the points. I also think there are better ways. Even a plasma pistol is arguably better now that PCs have BS4.

I enjoy outkitting a few units in a platoon with some CC umph, however thi sis only the outflanking Platoon I use with Al'Raheem. Any defensive platoon holds the line and is dug in covor with heavy weapons and commands. Anything Infiltratring is in covor, and generaly has plasma. They get shot to death before anytihng has a chance of assulting them.

The only time I would run heavy cc IG is for crapps and giggles.

alarmingrick wrote:

Joey wrote:Cadian Codex would be kickass.

So, the current IG Codex? Not sure how it could get 'more Cadian'?

IG codex is designed to work with a configeration of any number of worlds, from deathworlds to hiveworlds.
Cadia is a planet completely devoted to war. There are very few of these, economically there'd have to be.
Cadian Codex would have more powerful stormtroopers (KASKRIN!!), probably the Stubborn special rule universally.
Maybe not an entire codex, but a few "custom" chapters given a page each at the end of the codex, that fitted outside the doctrines/units/upgrades of the codex.

I'm gonna throw this out there:
the powerfist models look awesome

PraetorDave wrote:I'm gonna throw this out there:
the powerfist models look awesome

QFT

Nothing wrong with taking things just because they look awesome, IMO. Heck, my whole army is pretty much based on that philosophy plus my pyromania. It's worked well enough. Maybe there's some sort of psychological effect at play, but I find that the awesome-looking stuff actually does pretty well. My Death Korps roughriders have been so good that I bought a second unit of 10 of them. And my Kasrkin Inquisitorial Stormtroopers have yet to let me down. And even though he's just Straken, some opponents have run away from my Inquisitor because he looks awesome and that then means we're playing the battle on my terms.

I don't think there is any "awsomesauce combo" in the I.G. codex. That's just not how the I.G. are and that's why I love them. They're the underdogs.

I haven't used powerfists with the new codex, but I am planning on bringing the Straken + vets with shotguns and PF combo reference by DevianID in my next battle. Which will probably be some time next week. I will try to remember to let you know how it went.

You have to remember that powerfists are only 5 points more than a power weapon, and when was the last time you struck first in close combat?
so you can either have 5 attacks at S3 that ignore armour, or 5 attacks at S6 that ignore armour. No-brainer there.

Joey wrote:You have to remember that powerfists are only 5 points more than a power weapon, and when was the last time you struck first in close combat?

See Codex: Necrons

Just something to keep in mind.

so you can either have 5 attacks at S3 that ignore armour, or 5 attacks at S6 that ignore armour. No-brainer there.

You also lose an attack because you don't get one from the pistol anymore.

daedalus wrote:
See Codex: Necrons

Just something to keep in mind.

You mean the "rumours" about power weapons being changed in 6th Edition?

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You also lose an attack because you don't get one from the pistol anymore.

Fair enough. Okay some maths vs MEQ

Power Weapon
5 attacks
2.5 hits
0.83 wounds

Power Fist
4 attacks
2 hit
1.6 wounds


so 5 points for something that will give you an extra 0.8 wounds per turn. But hell if you wanted to win in close combat, you wouldn't play IG.

Joey wrote:
You mean the "rumours" about power weapons being changed in 6th Edition?

No actually, I've not been following them. I meant the army-wide I2. Means that IG go first with power weapons.

Lothar wrote:
Very ineffective points wise. Not even close to "super-effective against a unit of elite melée troops". Also it can be easily killed from distance.

If the enemy are shooting at your CCS, they're definately doing something wrong.
The point is not to be "super-effective against a unit of elite melée troops", it's using them in a specific situation. Those Death Company are threatening your Leman Russ? Unleash a meltagun/plasma pistol volly, then charge in. Obviously you wouldn't do so against a full squad, or unless things were desperate, but for 15 points it's worth it.


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daedalus wrote:

Joey wrote:
You mean the "rumours" about power weapons being changed in 6th Edition?

No actually, I've not been following them. I meant the army-wide I2. Means that IG go first with power weapons.

Well yeah. But in practice it's not THAT handy. IG are still going to die in CC.